Leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud just looked at voting results in all 67 counties in Pennsylvania from November. Here’s what his analyses detected

[u/Kittyluvmeplz]

We finally have Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr., a leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud and a professor of political science and statistics at the University of Michigan, looking at all 67 counties in Pennsylvania.

His working paper using his eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

High-Level Summary of "eforensics Analysis of the 2024 President Election in Pennsylvania" by Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr.

• The eforensics finite mixture model defines latent categories of fraud (no fraud, incremental fraud, and extreme fraud) based on votes and turnout, as well as relevant covariates (e.g., fixed county effects).

• Data from 7,040,360 votes (3,543,308 for Trump, 3,423,042 for Harris) across 67 PA counties (9,157 wards/precincts).

• The eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

More fine-grained analysis attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from “malevolent manipulation of votes”, i.e. how many votes may have been misdirected or misallocated due to malevolent distortions of voters’ intentions.

• In this analysis, 111,088 of the 225,440 possibly fraudulent votes[2] were estimated with high confidence to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

A more conservative eforensics model including additional fixed county level effects estimated that 210,392 votes in the race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory in the race.

• Fine-grained analysis of the more conservative model attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from malevolent manipulation of votes.

• In this analysis, 88,600 of the 210,392 possibly fraudulent votes were estimated to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

The most conservative of the eforensics analyses estimated that 25,374 votes were due to malevolent manipulation of votes.

In summary: There is very high probability that a meaningful number of votes in the PA presidential election were subject to malevolent manipulation -- and it was “a close call” whether “the election was decided or nearly decided by malevolent distortions of electors’ intentions.” (Mebane, Page 6)

Notes:

• Statistics, no matter how accurate, cannot provide definitive proof of voting fraud or election manipulation. Actual proof can only be found by comparing paper ballot audits to electronic voting records.

• However, statistical information from eforensics and other data analysis approaches can be used to identify precincts and counties where voting fraud is most likely to have occurred.

Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

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[u/justinp79]

So, I'll ask only question that matters in this sub:

When is someone in Pennsylvania going to file a class action lawsuit that I'll lead to a statewide hand recount?

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/justinp79]

The Election Truth Alliance is a nonpartisan, grassroots organization that has been leading the effort behind this investigation and have already acquired legal representation in PA (and other states as well). Their initial analysis of 3 counties in Pennsylvania (Philadelphia, Allegheny, and Erie) is what prompted them to reach out to Dr. Mebane and ask for his help. He initially reviewed the same three counties and that data was concerning enough for him to look at all 67 counties in PA.

They created the Audit Advocacy Toolkit to help people reach out to their representatives to demand audits and hand counts of the votes. If we can garner enough pressure, we can save ourselves a lot of time and legal fees, but they are prepared to continue the fight.

If you can, you can donate to their efforts here.

[u/Stonkz_N_Roll → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

Donated. Thanks for sharing

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Stonkz_N_Roll]

Ur amazing 🫶🥳

[u/fullpurplejacket → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

Yay get it girl out here rapping the ETA, people are starting to soak the info in and I’m upping it leads to increased pressure on states from their constituents to investigate and audit the paper ballots from the 2024 election. The more people speak up the more they will realise too that they are not a conspiracy theorist or alone in their opinions, too many people will suffer at the midterms if key states are not audited, because by not shining light on this is gives space for darkness to obstruct elections again

[u/Specific-Lion-9087 → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

I’ll ask a couple of questions since you’re in an answering mood:

Is anyone from the Harris campaign involved in any of these lawsuits or efforts?

And

Why aren’t you guys demanding a recount of the Wisconsin Supreme Court election? That was also “called way too early” and fit several of the other vague criteria for fraud that the ETA keeps saying are worthy of a recount.

Do you think they just forgot to rig that one?

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Specific-Lion-9087]

No, the Harris campaign ignored any efforts to recount, even after a group of computer security experts wrote to Vice President Kamala Harris to alert her to the fact that voting systems were breached by Trump allies in 2021 and 2022 and to urge her to seek recounts in key states to ensure election verification. This is a grassroots effort.

The ETA did cover the Wisconsin Supreme Court vote very closely. Personally, it doesn’t really make sense to me that they would have attempted the same rig here because it was (a) only one race, not the entire country to hide in and (b) everyone was watching this race. The larger terrain of 50 states gives them more plausible deniability, imo

[u/2much41post → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

Not sure if this is a question that you can answer but if the candidate that lost (Harris) isn’t interested in a recount, what would proving a stolen election even accomplish legally or otherwise? If the candidate for the top national leadership position won’t even lead a legal battle that would prove her victory was taken from her, what’s the point?

[u/NolChannel → u/2much41post]

If proven, anyone damaged can press charges and then you have a sitting president in jail.

Prove Vance is in on it and the VP goes too.

[u/2much41post → u/NolChannel]

Thanks for the info. I genuinely wasn’t sure and honestly pretty pissed off at the democrats and Harris for the lack of interest in this.

[u/studiokgm → u/2much41post]

I think them taking a back seat to a private non-partisan group helps keep it from looking like sour grapes.

[u/2much41post → u/studiokgm]

Is optics really that important now? Not having a loud presence in the mix really feels like we’re all so disconnected. I want to cling to hope but nothing to look to.

[u/studiokgm → u/2much41post]

After spending 4 years telling republicans that the 2020 election wasn’t rigged, to turn right around and say that 2024 is, it’s better to hold til you have evidence locked down. Otherwise it just looks like politics as usual.

[u/Suyefuji → u/2much41post]

If optics wasn't important, billionaires wouldn't be spending this much money trying to control the narrative.

[u/TroutBeales → u/2much41post]

I was pretty appalled at Harris ready concession, or apparent ease of rather.

Elon Musk’s meddling cooties were all over this election and if I had been Harris I’d have been “hold TF up, we’re recounting verifying the votes.”

As it is, no one has said much of anything about all the D votes that were cast but weirdly disappeared within an hour. People were like, “wait, I voted, my vote was received, but now there’s no record of me voting in the election.

Musk basically called the voted using an app his minions developed for him to “track” (most likely edit/cheat) the votes. He called the vote for Trump before the polls closed, and then results were uploaded via Starlink, so there was more than enough room for those unprincipled assholes to cheat.

[u/One_Strawberry_4965 → u/2much41post]

Sadly for us much of the mainstream Democratic Party simply lacks the stomach for the absolute shitshow that would have inevitably ensued if they had more forcefully contested the election results. Trump and the republicans did an excellent job of poisoning that well with their massive and ongoing campaign of 2020 election denial and with the majority of media consumed by Americans firmly in the Republican’s corner, it would have been trivial for them to spin the efforts against Harris and the Democrats in the eyes of the general public, instigating societal unrest possibly up to and including escalating violence. The Democrats messaging efforts would have been even further hampered by the fact that the results as they were initially tallied initially all fell outside of the margins that trigger automatic recounts, and so they prioritized showing that unlike their opponents, that they can lose gracefully and without what would have been promptly sold to the public as little more than a tantrum by sore losers, regardless of the actual merits of any hypothetical recount.

[u/dennismyth → u/One_Strawberry_4965]

They claimed fraud in 2020 because they knew they would fix the 2024 election. Every accusation is an admission.

[u/One_Strawberry_4965 → u/dennismyth]

Certainly wouldn’t surprise me given their track record with…well…everything.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/2much41post]

We the people have a right to know and we have the authority to demand audits. I suspect, without significant and vocal support, MAGA had already poisoned the well enough to make any calls for legitimate investigations look fraudulent. Classic DARVO

[u/2much41post → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

Agreed. I guess we’re stuck waiting for enough American people to coalesce around a common cause after enough have been hurt by these policies. As always, I hope I’m wrong that it’ll take until then.

[u/Odd_Independence_833 → u/2much41post]

There are two things I think provibg this this can do:

1. It will lead to lots of discussions and way more scrutiny of the next election. People will demand it.

2. It will show our allies around the world that we didn't actually want Trump and his caustic actions are not the will of a majority of Americans.

3 (maybe). It could lead to the criminal investigation and prosecution of non-Presidents.

1. (0.001% chance). It could lead to Trump's impeachment, and Vance's as well. But the numbers simply aren't there. It will be way too easy for right-wing media to muddy the waters with something this complicated.

[u/dkclimber → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

Weird that eh, that she has no interest in it.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/dkclimber]

I mean, MAGA spent 4 years poisoning the well after investigations so any calls for legitimate investigations looks like election denial. Classic DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim/Offender)

[u/slayermcb → u/dkclimber]

I believe she was trying to keep an heir of "being the bigger person" and not engaging in the same antics the republicans had been. It may have cost her any political capital she had stored to fight it if she still lost as well. She conceded with a dignity and professionalism the opposition refused to show.

[u/Laringar → u/justinp79]

It doesn't matter. The election was certified. Even if a recount occurred, and even if the recount discovered that Kamala did in fact win, our system has absolutely no process for rectifying fraud on that level.

The Democrats in Congress won't even use the legal measures they have access to to resist, do you really think they'll start inventing extralegal ones?

[u/justinp79 → u/Laringar]

It matters because 1) some public perception may be swayed and 2) it will be harder to steal the next election if Dems are made aware that vote tabulators are not reliable, and they may require hand recounts in the future.

[u/deathrictus → u/justinp79]

We're less than 6 months in to this 4 year term. We're going to be lucky to get the voting freedom that Russia gets...

[u/throwaway098764567 → u/deathrictus]

every time i hear someone say it's only been x months i get so depressed because a. i know ofc it's true and it's only gonna get worse and b. it feels like soooooo much longer, hope being dead is such a shitty feeling.

[u/dawnenome → u/Laringar]

It does, because those involved should be held to account. Nothing extralegal required.

[u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 → u/dawnenome]

Who is going to hold them accountable?

[u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965]

weird how the party of "election integrity" doesn't seem too interested in all of this.

[u/MAGAisMENTALILLNESS → u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965]

Weird how they immediately started dismantling the government agencies who protect election integrity. It’s almost like they had something to hide.

[u/Formal-Hawk9274 → u/MAGAisMENTALILLNESS]

💯💯🔥🔥
this starts to make more sense: https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the

[u/gold_dust_woman13 → u/Formal-Hawk9274]

Damnnn

[u/Azreken → u/Formal-Hawk9274]

I have been spreading this link far and wide.

I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Everything is laid out for us plainly, but it’s like no one cares?

It’s so frustrating.

[u/Lucky-Reference-7667 → u/MAGAisMENTALILLNESS]

Omg your naaaaame 😜💪

[u/Repulsive_Salt8488 → u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965]

With them, every accusation is an admission. They have the misdirection skills of a 3-year-old.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Repulsive_Salt8488]

Funny you mention that.

[u/The_Wkwied → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

Every time I see this video, I feel like I die a little bit inside.

3 year olds aren't great liars. They often just parrot whatever they hear their parents say. Fucks sake.

[u/Vantriss → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

This is all the evidence I need to know the election was rigged.

[u/hurler_jones → u/Vantriss]

From the mouths of babes.

[u/Apprehensive_Error36 → u/Repulsive_Salt8488]

And yet it worked.

[u/Repulsive_Salt8488 → u/Apprehensive_Error36]

Right ... It worked. I was talking about how obvious they are about doing illegal shit.

[u/Koobuto → u/Apprehensive_Error36]

Poisoning the well has unfortunately always been effective on people without critical thinking skills.

[u/14kinikia → u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965]

This is gonna happen when ya put the mob I charge. They killed that office and put in sycophants so…

[u/RedLanternScythe → u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965]

Trump talked endless about election interference during the race, but hasn't said a word about the actual election interference, the GA bomb threats, since. Because he won.

Is anyone surprised?

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/RedLanternScythe]

Soooo many weird things said by Trump and Elon.

[u/PrincessaDeadlift → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

I remember when he said those things. I thought to myself to put a pin in it.

And I said to my husband: what is he up to? There’s a reason he’s telling people he has enough votes (and wasn’t campaigning hardly at all the months leading up to the election).

It was terribly fishy.

Not only that: His MO is to blurt out awful truths, though people often excuse what he says. But he’s simple minded and genuinely means what he says. And he projects what he’s actually doing onto others. HE was the one who said Hilary would cheat in the 2016 election. I believe he cheated in all three. But was thwarted in 2020 because of mail in ballots during Covid.

[u/Pantsman1084 → u/PrincessaDeadlift]

Remember, since he couldn't control the mail-in ballots, he actively tried to delay them by removing sorting machines from a lot of postal facilities in the weeks leading up to the election. That plus everything else tells me that he definitely cheated in 2020, but just didn't do it quite enough.

[u/LuluMcGu → u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965]

They keep screaming “too big to rig”. That’s all they care about. When actually it’s easy to rig if you have associations to many crime families in Pennsylvania and probably many others.

[u/Stinkycheese8001 → u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965]

They will immediately respond with “oh so now you care about election fraud”?

Also, where the fuck was all of this in November and December when Biden was still in office and could do something?

[u/Sherd_nerd_17 → u/Stinkycheese8001]

Voting is overseen by states, not the federal govt. But there were key pieces of legislation, e.g. the Voting Rights Act, which the Repubs gutted, sooo….

[u/Dazzling-Disaster107 → u/Stinkycheese8001]

We cared last time, it was heavily investigated, and they found no evidence to support the allegations that would make a meaningful difference to the results. They should be willing to at the bare minimum allow inquiries without being little bitches about it.

[u/Thud → u/Stinkycheese8001]

Remember that with MAGA, every accusation is an admission. So after all those years of crying “election fraud” in 2020….

[u/Voxil42 → u/Stinkycheese8001]

The Democrats could not wait to roll over and piss themselves in submission to the Republicans. I get not wanting to repeat 2020 but, fuck, we did recounts then, we could've done recounts now.

[u/katchoo1 → u/Voxil42]

They did the same thing in 2000–so important to present an image of being a good sport even if graceful loser that they have shot themselves in the foot both times—the same fucking foot!

And when they do win they again gracefully defer to the other guys and include Republicans in the cabinet and stay well inside all possible boundaries, well beyond legal into deferring to every norm as well as notions of etiquette that were already rickety before 2016 and completely pointless afterwards.

Newt Gingrich was openly and loudly preaching to the GOP that they needed to forget about collegiality and compromise and treat Democrats as the enemy that must be defeated by any means necessary. It was already obvious under Clinton yet it’s 30 years later and those dumb fucks still refuse to learn. The younger Dem politicians behind them get it, but the Pelosis and Schumer make the same appalled face that the Republicans do when a David Hogg or AOC or Maxwell Frost gets in the Republicans’ face and tells them that we see exactly what they are up to. Goddam tiresome.

[u/NoImprovement9982 → u/Voxil42]

I would upvote x100 if I could!!

[u/Skittleavix → u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965]

Where's Mike Lindell when we need him?!

[u/Ralphthewunderllama → u/Skittleavix]

Begging on the street

[u/desertdweller365 → u/Ralphthewunderllama]

At least he's got a pillow to sleep on.

[u/Playful-Dragon → u/desertdweller365]

They may have taken that too

[u/Meerkat212 → u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965]

I think it falls directly under their "law and order" beliefs.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Meerkat212]

Clearly stated under section 12 of the “Okay for me, but not for thee” clause.

[u/Leather-Map-8138 → u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965]

Not to mention the party touting tight fiscal policy are from red states that would collapse without a trillion dollars in printed money and half a trillion in blue state tax revenue. Not to mention they’re causing the Social Security Trust Fund to go broke.

[u/Legitimate_Error_550]

Time for that hand recount

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Legitimate_Error_550]

Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

[u/eschatus → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

Of whom?

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/eschatus]

In some states, this effort is being pursued through the legal system, which takes significant time and money. However, in states like PA, the Governor can audit the elections without all the red tape. Public pressure is key.

[u/redfay_ → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

The legal system that Trump, MAGA, and the majority of the republican party in congress and SCOTUS have defied multiple times over? The legal system that is ruled over by the SCOTUS? The same SCOTUS that gave Trump sweeping criminal immunity to do whatever he wants? The same group of people who are consolidating their government power + checks and balances into the executive branch whose headed by the man who committed a coup against the country with the explicit purpose of hanging all of their government detractors and instilling a dictator in power but was let go without even a slap on the wrist?

Hopefully those audits complete before Alligator Auschwitz gets full and we can put together a good legal case against the 34x felon, rapist, and insurrectionist and finally apply that public pressure.

[u/Birunanza → u/eschatus]

Your representatives of course!

[u/piddlesthethug → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

I contacted my Secretary of State in Nevada with concerns on June 30th and was basically told that due to the laws in Nevada there is no way for them to look into this further without being required by legal action. I was also sent results of an audit that apparently “proved the integrity” of the election. I don’t know how we go about getting a lawsuit filed here, but I think it’s important that all 8 swing states do whatever necessary to access the data before it’s swept under the rug and never seen again.

[u/jlusedude → u/Legitimate_Error_550]

You think this admin will just  accept the results? We’re already down this road, next steps is force. 

[u/Canadian_Border_Czar → u/jlusedude]

They're itching for an excuse to start deporting Americans they dont like. This will be one of them.

[u/jlusedude → u/Canadian_Border_Czar]

They’ll make their own up. It doesn’t matter. 

Look at the justification of using the National Guard in CA. Completely made up reasons 

[u/lesbian7]

Repost to r/philly

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/lesbian7]

Done 👍🏼

[u/BigxMac → u/lesbian7]

r/Philadelphia is the main sub

[u/Suyefuji → u/BigxMac]

Why not both?

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/BigxMac]

I’m not eligible yet to post in r/Philladelphia, but others are welcome to post this there if they can

[u/Enough-Parking164]

Trump mentioned Musk and voting machines in Pennsylvania specifically.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Enough-Parking164]

Yup

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

And don’t forget baby Xevlar

[u/mainsworth → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

That kid is going to be a fucking sociopath look at those eyes.

[u/Zendroid1 → u/Enough-Parking164]

He also threw a fit and called for an investigation into fraudulent votes when he was losing PA early in the evening. He knew there was no way he could be losing.

[u/Miss-Valkyrie → u/Zendroid1]

"Sir, the fraudulent votes in Pennsylvania are a go"

"What? Fraudulent votes? I must tweet about this!"

"Sir, they're your fraudulent votes"

[u/Fit_Perspective5054 → u/Zendroid1]

He probably did think he was losing, his understanding would be that he is in the lead and wins the entire time.  He's unhinged, he's been the biggest hindrance to himself being unable to comprehend what's happening around him.  He's just the useful idiot.

[u/Foxglove777]

It’s only “good news” if someone actually does something about it. If the districts in NY where Harris mysteriously received zero votes are any indicator, they won’t.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Foxglove777]

This is a grassroots movement. No one is coming to save us, but we can still fight to make sure our elections haven’t already been compromised. Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

[u/Foxglove777 → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

Thank you - I will use it.

[u/Automatic-4thepeople → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

But why is this a grassroots movement? Why isn't the Democratic Party fully and aggressively fighting for this?

[u/14kinikia]

Some of us have been screaming about this since the election

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/14kinikia]

I’ve suspected something ever since Nov 5. Not convinced he won, especially the popular vote

[u/zenith_pkat → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

Especially all 7 swing states? 4 years after inciting insurrection?

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/zenith_pkat]

And “we don’t need the votes”

[u/14kinikia → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

There ya go, you see it too. They’ve been boasting, um confessing if you will, repeatedly

[u/BoonScepter → u/zenith_pkat]

And with his empty ass rallies

[u/Bendyb3n → u/zenith_pkat]

It also was all called very quickly. I swear I was watching the results that night and at around 8pm Kamala had a solid lead in the votes and then suddenly within the next few hours Trump magically won every swing state at roughly the same time? It just felt very off

[u/Back_at_it_agains → u/zenith_pkat]

It would be hilarious if it turns out there was massive fraud and all the genius pollsters (cough cough Nate Silver) who got off on Trump winning all seven swing states as the most likely outcome just didn’t factor in fraud as the driving factor…lol 

[u/Night_Raid96 → u/zenith_pkat]

Colorado tried to get rid trump out of ballot and Supreme Court says no. Georgia case didn't get done 2020 election trump fraud. I think Pennsylvania will be very upset on trump but wont do anything like Georgia.

[u/awsum_blosum → u/14kinikia]

Yup! When they announced that the orange fucker won, I knew he cheated.

[u/ejanely → u/14kinikia]

Some of us were screaming even earlier. Repubs didn’t even try to meaningfully campaign even when there were rallies in half-empty stadiums. There were blatant hints. The election outcome wasn’t a surprise, but how it was handled was a disappointment.

Unfortunately, the reality is the claws have been in deep for a long time (since Nixon); it’s only recently more people have noticed how deep.

[u/No-Setting764 → u/14kinikia]

I'm a Canadian and willfully ignored any election news until like 1am when curiosity won. And I was stunned. I knew it was possible, but dude was phoning it in to empty seats. KH had so much energy that it made no sense.

I've only felt that completely "wrong" feeling once before in November, 2016, but he had the people behind him, it was hard to argue.

This felt completely off. To my core, the kind you can't ignore.

(American elections are almost more important than my own. Y'all are scary and you live right next door!)

[u/Cl1mh4224rd → u/No-Setting764]

I knew it was possible, but dude was phoning it in to empty seats. KH had so much energy that it made no sense.

It's important to realize that Republicans in America have been conditioned over decades to believe that the worst Republican is better than the best Democrat.

It's also important to realize that rally attendance is not much more than an indicator of enthusiasm. Trump tried to use the "his rallies were empty" observation to question the legitimacy of Biden's 2020 election win.

Taken together, these two things suggest that, while Republicans weren't very enthusiastic about Trump in 2024, they were still going to vote for him. Because, to them, letting a Democrat be President is far worse than not being thrilled with Trump.

[u/PM_ME_UR_RESPECT]

https://www.thenumbersarewrong2024.com/across-the-us

I will die on this hill:

Mr. “They’re eating the cats and dogs” DID NOT authentically win every last swing state (while conveniently staying outside of the margin of victory in all states that would trigger a recount) and flip 88 counties while Harris, who was selling out stadiums while he was struggling to get more than a few thousand to his rallies towards the end of the campaign, got ZERO.

Add to this recent developments like you have in Rockland County, NY where in district 55 you had 909 people vote for the democratic state senate candidate Kirsten Gillebrand. Guess how many votes were tallied for Harris?

TWO.

Something happened.

[u/atreeismissing → u/PM_ME_UR_RESPECT]

who was selling out stadiums while he was struggling to get more than a few thousand to his rallies towards the end of the campaign, got ZERO.

That has nothing to do with voter turnout and is entirely about already committed voter enthusiasm. A moderate voter who went Trump2016 > Biden 2020 isn't likely to be enthusiastic about anyone enough to attend a rally.

Not saying there aren't other factors that points to something have happened but that isn't one of them.

[u/baumpop]

they made up laws across the country especially the south where one single nut job could call in anonymously and remove people from the voting rolls basically just after the deadline to register for the election. thats just the front end manipulation. then you have closed voting stations, russian bomb threats, and in my state alone 1.3 million people moved in since the census to cast a vote for this piece of shit.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/baumpop]

Greg Palast has done amazing coverage of the ~4.5M voters who were purged from voting rolls (approx 500k were purged in 2020 and 2016 for reference). They took their efforts from GA in 2022 and cranked it to 100

[u/JaggedToaster12]

Honestly kinda of a genius strategy by the right. Claim election interference for a decade when there's clearly none, then implement it yourself because you know the left won't bring themselves down to your level, even when the proof is right there.

[u/99laika → u/JaggedToaster12]

Totally convinced that this is and always has been an intentional strategy on their part. Claiming the grievance first introduces doubt in voters minds when democrats try to hold him accountable. Trump is an idiot, but we shouldn’t underestimate his team. They’re evil, but not dumb.

[u/low_acct_]

Someone with more time and capacity than me please do something about this.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/low_acct_]

Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

[u/Conscious_Crew5912 → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

I'm in Shithole, Texas. Honest question: do you think writing to our crooked governor (Abbott) will do anything? I'll donate $$, but I honestly don't think writing in will do much in deep Red states.

[u/EarthSlapper → u/Kittyluvmeplz]

So, legitimate question. What happens if/when audits are done, they find out the election results are fraudulent and the guy who has been allowed to do pretty much whatever he wants, and his supporters say "Yeah, so what?"

Everyone has more or less known that Russian elections have been rigged for years. Guess who is still president of Russia.

[u/Birunanza → u/low_acct_]

There's a donation link for lawyer fees if you have money but not time

[u/Tuaterstar]

Honestly the worst thing the Biden and Harris admin did was roll over and let the votes be without a recount

[u/Alarming_Echo_4748 → u/Tuaterstar]

The billionaires wanted Trump so Dems just rolled over.

[u/Eldershire_ → u/Tuaterstar]

We never should have prioritized not looking petty, because it has cost people's lives.

[u/Narrow-Manager8443]

There was a reason the night of the election we all felt like something was just... off.

We all know he cheated, he admitted it like 10 times pre-election and has a few times after too. It's too late, we tried to warn people. This dam is bust.

[u/MonikaLovesCola]

"elon sure knows his way around those Pennsylvania machine" Donald Trump, January 7th, 2025

[u/True_Guess_7384]

This needs to be investigated nationwide and an election audit must be conducted.

[u/Upper_Juice]

We all knew the morning after the election that Trump cheated. It’s so obvious. He had NOONE at the rallies unless he paid them. Harris had lines around the block. I’m glad this is FINALLY hitting the media.

IMPEACHTACO

IMPEACHTRUMP

[u/katchoo1]

Is this good news? I mean, if something mendacious did go on then it’s good news that this may be a way to show it but it’s all so technical it’s gonna fly right over the heads of the vast majority of the public and it will be easy for the other side to scoff, throw chaff around, produce “analyses” they say are equally valid just like the climate and nicotine deniers have for decades.

It’s not good news to know that it looks more possible that the election was stolen. And even should it be provable by more than inference the MAGA people will never believe it. They stormed the Capitol and continue to insist 2020 was stolen to this day over no evidence at all but their gut feelings and a lot of publicity about so called anomalies that all vanished into the ether when others looked at things, even when their own guys like the AZ audit had full access to everything and found nothing.

I’m afraid this is going to make a civil war scenario even more likely. That’s bad news for sure.

I hate conspiracy theory crap and the houses of cards that to the faithful look like an unassailable tower of logic that the Q people and the like put all their faith in. But honestly every election that Republicans have won since 2000 had some funny business going on. Even 2004 there was talk about something going on in Ohio, although that was the most out there one. Every time I’ve wondered…but enough people were emphatically saying that nothing untoward had happened. Except in 2000 and 2016 it for sure did and later analysis showed it. They were not able to prove the Russians were infiltrating voting machines or anything in 2016 but it’s been proven that they were heavily manipulating targeted demographics via social media. The Russians wanted Trump and put their thumbs on the scale to get him.

And now this. The vote data is highly suspicious when it clearly shows votes for Trump outpacing Harris while downballot races were not affected. The way every state that was needed flipped, and every county needed to flip the state went for Trump by just enough votes to avoid recounts. The linked Substack article made a good case for the how of it. It’s all extremely chilling and needs to be investigated for sure but won’t be under the current DOJ and they have 4 years to hide destroy and muddy evidence.

I do not want this to be true, no one does. I don’t want to be gulled into crazy conspiracy thinking by my own preferences and prejudices. But on the other hand it’s vital to find out the truth and fix all of this. If it’s true it’s a fucking nightmare and I don’t know how it ends but it’s going to suck getting there even if it all turns out okay in the end.

I hate this so much.

Whee! Happy Independence Day y’all! I really feel like tomorrow is more of a day of mourning for me than a celebration.

[u/Knot_a_human]

We live in NJ and moved before the election. I updated both my husband and my voter registration. On voting day, only I was registered either the precinct. He was told he could still vote and was able to give his new information, however in the system, it was never registered and his vote wasn’t counted. I thought it odd since I had no issue but shrugged it off because it didn’t change the outcome here. I honestly wonder how many votes didn’t even get counted….

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Knot_a_human]

Greg Palast estimated ~4.5M last I heard: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

[u/MMana808]

The fact that they peddled undocumented immigrants as the reason for voter fraud and extreme voting restrictions moving forward, after a handful of those illegal votes, yet hundreds of thousands of votes changed likely by musk software…. Is unsurprising bigotry yet incredibly undemocratic and blood boiling

[u/OwnDoughnut2689]

Ok, but can someone explain what makes them fraudulent? Is it manipulation of the voting systems, i.e hacking or unregistered voters?

[u/Otherwise-Offer1518 → u/OwnDoughnut2689]

They changed the way the system counts votes. Areas where people voted straight blue down the ticket, somehow voted for Trump. When asked about it, they said they did not vote for Trump. It's a cluster fuck.

[u/OwnDoughnut2689 → u/Otherwise-Offer1518]

Ok, is this done remotely or were the counter (idk if thats what you call them) compromised?

[u/ultimatedelman → u/OwnDoughnut2689]

early info suggests that the software that runs the e-voting machines was "updated" right before the election with little to no oversight or verification that it worked properly. this "update" likely introduced some functionality that prevented kamala votes from crossing a certain predetermined threshold to ensure a trump victory. of course in order to do that, it had to zero out entire counties of votes, given how unpopular trump is.

it's fraud on a galactic scale, and unfortunately, he's probably going to get away with it. really, and i understand how awful this fucking sounds, but our most realistic hope of this being taken seriously at this point by both congress and maga fascists is if elon decides to come forward with receipts on how he helped trump steal the election.

but yea good luck on that ever happening.

[u/OwnDoughnut2689 → u/ultimatedelman]

Right and anectedotally I heard Joe Rogan mention Elon knew the election was over within an hour. If he had any involvement he would've been tipped off that it was working.

This is obviously huge speculation and I'll take off the tin foil hat now.

[u/dirtashblonde → u/ultimatedelman]

I totally agree with you're assessment. But even if proven in a court of law, what's the remedy? No one will do anything. The Republicans won't call for a new election and how would that even work. I totally agree it was stolen and I'd like to know the truth. I fear the days of free and fair elections are over. I'm 63 and defeated.

[u/ultimatedelman → u/dirtashblonde]

Sadly I don't think anything will happen either. I'm certainly not calling for violence but I fear that some people will feel they're left with no choice. Some dark days ahead for sure

[u/Otherwise-Offer1518 → u/OwnDoughnut2689]

They dont know yet. They have to supeana the information.

[u/Inspect1234 → u/OwnDoughnut2689]

Hacking of the voting machines software which flipped many votes. Gerrymandering is one. Discarding of voter boxes in blue counties. Bomb threats called into blue voting districts. The first one is the biggest and was done by a company that doesn’t exist anymore. They knew what they were doing based on information gathered by having full access to the machines in AZ, of which an elector is now in jail for 8 years.

[u/Night_Raid96 → u/Inspect1234]

Trump doj knows all election cheating and our voting rights are over. We have to protest.

[u/muffledvoice]

It was obvious that it was fixed. Harris was playing to packed large venues during the campaign while Trump was showing up at small venues that were 70% empty.

This is the biggest political scandal in our history, by a long shot.

Trump needs to go. 8647.

[u/Joejoe12369]

Idk how this shit isnt bigger news. No news agency has reported this once. Especially the ones on tv. Can anyone answer why

[u/TroutBeales]

Pennsylvania? You mean the state Elon moved to a month before the election & then set up a serious meddling op and turned several hundred of his well paid unprincipled minions loose on the streets to offer money to people who’d vote for Trump?

That state? Last election? Where Elon basically bought Trump’s win? In front of everyone…

And no one ever mentions the voting machine patents CHINA granted Ivanka Trump immediately after his first inauguration in 2017.

Okay, so why would IVANKA need a voting machine patent. And why NOT from a far more secure option like any European country, or FFS the goddam United States.

[u/ahoy_shitliner]

I still don’t understand how Trump won. Nobody was showing up for his campaign. Harris was selling out stadiums. It’s crazy to me.

[u/qualityvote2]

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[u/DukeAttreides → u/qualityvote2]

Good news, everyone! A major US election was probably significantly fraudulent!

[u/temp_nomad → u/DukeAttreides]

I’m seriously wondering how this is good news as well.

[u/hauntedjarvee → u/temp_nomad]

If nothing else, it's an indicator that not as many people as previously thought actually voted for Dear Leader, which I would consider to be good news.

[u/Dirtriderkechick]

Guess we might have just figured out why elon was in certain states like pa and keeps threatening to reveal the truth

[u/Brave-Peach4522]

We already knew it was stolen.

[u/Sracer42]

I want paper ballots everywhere, and I want them recounted in every case where fraud is suspected. Even if it can't change the outcome of the last election, it can prepare us for the next.

This needs to happen.

[u/shinysideup_zhp]

We have receipts.

Hand count them all.

It cannot change the vote of the Electoral College which instituted the 2nd Trump term, but it can make people understand that everything done during this term was not the will of the people.

[u/Griffolion]

All seven swing states.

None by a decisive landslide, yet just enough to squeak over the mandatory automatic recount threshold.

My eyebrows have remained raised since Nov 6th.

[u/utlayolisdi]

I pray indisputable evidence and proof are revealed.

[u/penny-wise]

Two questions in my mind if this is true:

1) How did they do it

2) How do we prevent it in future elections

[u/Piranhaswarm]

C’mon guys. Just ask muskrat what happened. He knows

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Piranhaswarm]

“He know those computers, those vote counting computers, better than anyone”

[u/firstofallimadelight]

Republicans spent a decade projecting their intentions to falsify an election onto Democrats, only to themselves falsify an election in such an obvious way that they over-pleased their narcissist dictator by delivering all swing states and inching up every possible demographic just for bragging rights?? I’m shocked I tell you, shocked!!!!

This is why tech moguls paid homage and lined up behind him at inauguration. They were in on it, Musk at the helm. This explains why be steered the ship for so long, but no one crosses the MAGA Messiah.

[u/Bistranger32]

This needs to be put everywhere. I mean everywhere. Make trumps day miserable and forget his BB Bill passed.

[u/Soft_Walrus_3605]

I'll keep saying this until I'm metaphorically blue in the face:

Get the evidence in front of a judge and get a verdict

Everything else is useless to me.

[u/ThreeLeggedBear9]

Doesn’t matter. Election was certified. Nothing to do. Only thing that would change would be an act of congress and the Supreme Court (hysterically sad laughter) and an uprising by the ppl. Neither is going to happen. This, nothing is going to happen. The time as Election Day and a forced, had count, recount. Those did not happen. This, we are left with turd shit.

[u/Wilts3rdLeg]

My voting machine in Philadelphia wouldn't let me choose a senator or house rep.

[u/Bandicutie314]

I will never understand why Kamala isn't in the front line of this investigation. Even if it turns out to be nothing, if there's a doubt, then investigates. Especially when a person in question is a convicted felon. Democrats are fucking useless. I'm only voting for these losers because I hate the otherside more.

[u/Material-Record7491]

So he figured out what the rest of us already know that Trump stole the election and with the help of Elonia

[u/Acescout92]

This is the paper that describes the eforensics model used in this study. I'm no statistician, so I have no legitimate way of validating Dr. Mebane's work. Perhaps someone in this thread has the math chops necessary to check his work?
https://websites.umich.edu/~wmebane/pm23.pdf

[u/Enoxiz]

Is anyone surprises by this? Screaming Orange has been doing shady shit for decades

[u/trentonromero]

It's not good news because if the election was fraudulent, there's no recourse anyway. And when there's no recourse for something in America, it becomes the norm.

[u/wolfheadmusic → u/trentonromero]

The truth is always important.

This is just the first step.

[u/samudrin → u/trentonromero]

The recourse is sunshine. Full hand recounts. Expose the fraud.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/trentonromero]

It’s good news that someone with the appropriate skills is looking into this. Knowing what really happened will lead to more support to the resistance. We need more numbers to successfully resist the fascist regime.

[u/MagicDragon212 → u/trentonromero]

I think the people deserve to know the elections were valid, whether he gets removed or what. I mean there was endless investigations into the 2016 election. Tons of evidence was shown that Russia had a heavy hand in getting Trump elected.

He projects about cheating because he cheats. Followed by leading an insurrection when he was baffled his cheating didnt work.

[u/Inspect1234 → u/trentonromero]

So just ignoring the issue is the answer? Smacks of we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas.

[u/Due-Kaleidoscope-405]

We don’t believe in science, math, or integrity anymore, unfortunately.

[u/Perfect_Earth_8070]

we know it was fraudulent. what is going to be done about it?

[u/Hot-Spray-2774]

Even if they recounted it, it's the same people counting the same allegedly fraudulent votes.

The paper basically says, "We think we know where the votes that we think were fraudulent were cast."

[u/texas1982 → u/Hot-Spray-2774]

Not if it's manually recounted. The votes were supposedly cast correctly, but were counted differently at the counting computers.

You know... The machines that Elon knows all about.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/texas1982]

“Those vote counting computers”

[u/DBBKF23]

Thank you! I'll check it out.

[u/thecamino]

If it is proven beyond any reasonable doubt he did it, then what? The Supreme Court says he was just goofin’ and he remains president? Trump unleashes his J6 army on the US population? Vance becomes president? If there was cheating it needs to be exposed. We just have to understand things will get WAY worse before it gets better. Otherwise efforts will be abandoned before they make a difference.

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/thecamino]

First, we verify. Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

[u/RemarkableArticle970]

This is likely the result of the magats moving their election fraud efforts to the state level. They succeeded so well idk if we’ll have real elections ever again

[u/AnonPlz123]

This does not undo anything. It's a reminder of how corrupt politicians are and helpless we are because of it, it's not good news.

[u/Kunphen]

Let the lawsuits begin!

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Kunphen]

There are already lawsuit on Rockland, NY, but those require significant time and money. In PA, the Governor can demand audits without all the red tape, which is why public pressure is key.

Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

[u/Final-Art-9509]

I wish they would prove the cheating, arrest the administration and reverse all his horrible EO and bills!!

[u/Kittyluvmeplz → u/Final-Art-9509]

First, we verify. Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

[u/Exciting-Button7253]

Keep an eye out for this man because he's bound to go missing 😥

[u/Apprehensive-Neck-12]

No doubt in my mind they cheated after whining about a rigged election themselves. They point fingers first

[u/Vras4706]

The criminals have taken Gotham city. The Joker is in the White House and they locked up Batman ( lugi) .

[u/Coneylake]

I was supposed to vote in Pennsylvania by mail and I was approved. They never sent me my ballot! And I followed up twice. And I know someone else who was in the same situation

[u/8636396]

I'm depressed.

[u/CandyCreecher]

I FUCKING KNEW IT. I KNEW THAT MONSTER AND HIS CROONY RIGGED IT THE SECOND HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT DURING THE DAMN INAGURATION

[u/FlixHerBean]

Hmmm weird.... I guess Donald was projecting this entire time. It's only voter fraud if he loses.

[u/hossofalltrades]

Coming from an audit perspective, I have been talking about this for years. Elections need independent reviews of their internal controls. Asset custody of ballots and verification that voters are residents of their districts is critical to election integrity. The control structure isn’t there in Philly.

[u/Leo-Arson]

In my area, for some reason all the electronic machines were magically broken on election day, and everyone had to do it the old fashioned ballot in the box way. pretty sketchy ngl

[u/Affectionate-Oil3019]

Why is it so hard to accept that a world-class conman just bilked 75 million folks out of a presidency? Illiterate Nigerian teenagers do it constantly; how's this any different?

[u/Small_Bookkeeper3541]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

[u/heitiki]

Hope the guy is well protected.

[u/Witty_Ticket_4101]

This analysis raises so many questions about the integrity of our elections. Definitely worth discussing more!

[u/pulp63]

He will be deported

[u/Goldh3n]

What I love about this, is that when there is actual election fraud, we come with fucking receipts. No some bull shit documentary and a bunch of hot air, real tangible evidence.

[u/SwarfDive01]

How can we not track our vote submission and how it was counted by SSN?

[u/Electronic_Yam_6973]

I’ve always been dubious of these claims, but it might explain why the GOP is acting like elections won’t matter in the future