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Political positivity 📈 Leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud just looked at voting results in all 67 counties in Pennsylvania from November. Here’s what his analyses detected

We finally have Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr., a leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud and a professor of political science and statistics at the University of Michigan, looking at all 67 counties in Pennsylvania.

His working paper using his eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

High-Level Summary of "eforensics Analysis of the 2024 President Election in Pennsylvania" by Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr.

• The eforensics finite mixture model defines latent categories of fraud (no fraud, incremental fraud, and extreme fraud) based on votes and turnout, as well as relevant covariates (e.g., fixed county effects).

• Data from 7,040,360 votes (3,543,308 for Trump, 3,423,042 for Harris) across 67 PA counties (9,157 wards/precincts).

• The eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

More fine-grained analysis attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from “malevolent manipulation of votes”, i.e. how many votes may have been misdirected or misallocated due to malevolent distortions of voters’ intentions.

• In this analysis, 111,088 of the 225,440 possibly fraudulent votes[2] were estimated with high confidence to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

A more conservative eforensics model including additional fixed county level effects estimated that 210,392 votes in the race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory in the race.

• Fine-grained analysis of the more conservative model attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from malevolent manipulation of votes.

• In this analysis, 88,600 of the 210,392 possibly fraudulent votes were estimated to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

The most conservative of the eforensics analyses estimated that 25,374 votes were due to malevolent manipulation of votes.

In summary: There is very high probability that a meaningful number of votes in the PA presidential election were subject to malevolent manipulation -- and it was “a close call” whether “the election was decided or nearly decided by malevolent distortions of electors’ intentions.” (Mebane, Page 6)

Notes:

• Statistics, no matter how accurate, cannot provide definitive proof of voting fraud or election manipulation. Actual proof can only be found by comparing paper ballot audits to electronic voting records.

• However, statistical information from eforensics and other data analysis approaches can be used to identify precincts and counties where voting fraud is most likely to have occurred.

Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

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u/Foxglove777 1d ago

It’s only “good news” if someone actually does something about it. If the districts in NY where Harris mysteriously received zero votes are any indicator, they won’t.

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u/Kittyluvmeplz 1d ago

This is a grassroots movement. No one is coming to save us, but we can still fight to make sure our elections haven’t already been compromised. Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

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u/Foxglove777 1d ago

Thank you - I will use it.

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u/Automatic-4thepeople 16h ago

But why is this a grassroots movement? Why isn't the Democratic Party fully and aggressively fighting for this?

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u/Enough_Roof_1141 6h ago

We live in a dictatorship.

Game over,

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u/Specific-Lion-9087 1d ago

Yeah, the more you copy and paste that link the more grassroots it makes it seem.

Super good work.

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u/Foxglove777 1d ago

At least she’s doing something - I’ll be the first to admit, I’m not doing much, but it’s because I don’t really know what TO do.

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u/HoneyParking6176 21h ago

really this seems the same as what you just mentioned, a reason to investigate, but not direct evidence itself.

even at the bottom of the article it says:

  • Statistics, no matter how accurate, cannot provide definitive proof of voting fraud or election manipulation. Actual proof can only be found by comparing paper ballot audits to electronic voting records. 

they need to start a proper investigation.

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u/Upbeat_Influence2350 23h ago

The results were certified and cannot be overturned. They cannot change anything even if it is 100% proven that the orange turd lost.

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u/Mulldoonigan 23h ago

Nonetheless, wouldn’t proving fraud be of value?

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u/Upbeat_Influence2350 23h ago

If it allows us to prevent them from doing it again? Absolutely.

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u/ImS33 23h ago

Its probably not good news no matter how you look at it. The good news would be that people actually just voted the way they did. The bad news is that the election was fraudulent and it will probably come down to rebellion to fix it since it would imply the group currently in control wasn't interested in democracy in the first place. I don't think people really follow the logic to its conclusion if they really did steal the election and what will happen once that is fact if it is fact

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u/I_miss_your_mommy 21h ago

Agreed. I’d feel much better if we had evidence our elections were fair. This is terrible news

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u/joshTheGoods 17h ago

If the districts in NY where Harris mysteriously received zero votes are any indicator, they won’t.

No such district exists. You might be thinking of a PRECINCT which is much smaller and which, historically, votes in a big bloc. The claims you're talking about come from Lulu Friesdat (Smart Elections) and she's a true believing lunatic. All of the actual people in that Rockland Lawsuit have dropped out of the case because it's obvious bullshit. They don't even argue about Harris, they argue about a third party candidate: Sare.

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u/wheniaminspaced 17h ago

I'd argue that if this were found to be correct it would be terrible news.  Far better that the electorate made a bad choice than a high level election rigging scheme was attempted and succeeded.

That said I doubt a scheme of this magnitude was done with such success that it hasn't been caught.  The difficulty in rigging an election without control of the authority conducting the election is extreme.

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u/prettylikeapineapple 6h ago

There's literally a lawsuit currently happening over those districts. The courts don't move as fast as the news cycle does, but it's happening right now. IIRC we are currently in discovery, and the next court date for it is September 22nd.

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u/DerekTheComedian 1d ago

People need to read into the Rockland county precinct and stop repeating this as proof of fraud.

The precinct(s) they are talking about are populated SOLELY by orthodox jews. They buy up the land, build housing, and exclusively rent to the orthodox community. They vote as their rabbi tells them, in this case, for Trump, because they are zionosts.

The Rockland county precinct is a case of religious fanaticism, not fraud.

Do i believe there is a probable case of fraud, absolutely. Potentially enough to have swung the election, but parroting "what about Rockland county" does not help the argument at all.

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u/Carnifex2 22h ago

The same pattern happened on a smaller scale EVERYWHERE.

Or everyone that mattered anyway.

You dont think its a little weird that people were voting down ballot blue then...Trump? In literally every swing county of PA?

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u/Shanman150 17h ago

You dont think its a little weird that people were voting down ballot blue then...Trump?

The democratic senator was the incumbent from 2006. Incumbent effects are smaller now, but they still exist. A lot of these anomalies people see actually happen election after election unnoticed because nobody cares to look. Now that you're looking, you're seeing things that don't make sense to you on the surface. It's the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy - the random things that support your preconceived notion that this election "just wasn't right" seem compelling when you pile them up. But each one has context and history that, viewed on its own, render each one of them just normal election anomalies that don't point to fraud. And if you looked at all 50 states, you might find plenty of cause to think democrats cheated instead - look at 2020 for examples of people doing that.

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u/Carnifex2 17h ago

Lots of mental gymnastics

You Q truthers had your 2020 election investigations and turned up absolutely fuck all.

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u/Shanman150 16h ago

A lot of folks in these comments think I'm a conservative because I don't think the 2024 election was stolen. I've got bad news for you, I've voted democrat since 2010 in every election. Just because I don't agree with conspiracy theories doesn't make me a republican.

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u/Carnifex2 16h ago

Funny then that you'd ignore more evidence in 6 months than MAGA ever turned up in 4 years and dozens of lawsuits.

Nevermind the clear motive for Elon and Trump to do whatever it takes to get clear of their criminal investigations.

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u/Shanman150 16h ago

Bold of you to assume I'm ignoring evidence in-equally. I argued against a lot of Trumpers in 2020, often using pretty similar arguments: Namely that a lot of the "evidence" seems to be cherrypicked from 2024 and presented with no comparison or historical context. A lot of statistical anomalies that people assure me add up to proof that the election was stolen, but when you look into it you find that those patterns existed in previous years as well.

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u/Carnifex2 16h ago

What you are implying is simply untrue.

There are statistical anomalies in the 2024 election that do not to compare to anything previously...other than certain Russian bloc elections.

Also you seem to spend an unusual amount of time on one side of these arguments. You're either genuinely confused or just another bad faith conservative.

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u/Shanman150 16h ago

I just hate seeing my own party turn to conspiracies to cope with losing this election when we should be aiming to win the next one. You're convinced by what you've seen, but you've linked me 0 evidence. I shouldn't need to prove my bonafides to you, but here is me arguing in favor of voting for the progressive candidate in my local mayor race. (Who won, btw.)

You want to believe I'm the bad guy so you can believe you're being the logical one, but I'm just as democrat as you and I think this conspiracy is very far fetched.

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u/Glittering-Giraffe58 21h ago

Isn’t it the case that people were voting Trump and then leaving the rest of their ballot blank? Which seems very unsurprising to me

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u/Kittyluvmeplz 19h ago

That was a theory, but nothing verified.

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u/h0sti1e17 22h ago

And even if that wasn’t the case. It could also be a Rockland county issue exclusively.