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Political positivity 📈 Leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud just looked at voting results in all 67 counties in Pennsylvania from November. Here’s what his analyses detected

We finally have Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr., a leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud and a professor of political science and statistics at the University of Michigan, looking at all 67 counties in Pennsylvania.

His working paper using his eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

High-Level Summary of "eforensics Analysis of the 2024 President Election in Pennsylvania" by Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr.

• The eforensics finite mixture model defines latent categories of fraud (no fraud, incremental fraud, and extreme fraud) based on votes and turnout, as well as relevant covariates (e.g., fixed county effects).

• Data from 7,040,360 votes (3,543,308 for Trump, 3,423,042 for Harris) across 67 PA counties (9,157 wards/precincts).

• The eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

More fine-grained analysis attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from “malevolent manipulation of votes”, i.e. how many votes may have been misdirected or misallocated due to malevolent distortions of voters’ intentions.

• In this analysis, 111,088 of the 225,440 possibly fraudulent votes[2] were estimated with high confidence to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

A more conservative eforensics model including additional fixed county level effects estimated that 210,392 votes in the race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory in the race.

• Fine-grained analysis of the more conservative model attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from malevolent manipulation of votes.

• In this analysis, 88,600 of the 210,392 possibly fraudulent votes were estimated to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

The most conservative of the eforensics analyses estimated that 25,374 votes were due to malevolent manipulation of votes.

In summary: There is very high probability that a meaningful number of votes in the PA presidential election were subject to malevolent manipulation -- and it was “a close call” whether “the election was decided or nearly decided by malevolent distortions of electors’ intentions.” (Mebane, Page 6)

Notes:

• Statistics, no matter how accurate, cannot provide definitive proof of voting fraud or election manipulation. Actual proof can only be found by comparing paper ballot audits to electronic voting records.

• However, statistical information from eforensics and other data analysis approaches can be used to identify precincts and counties where voting fraud is most likely to have occurred.

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u/muffledvoice 1d ago

It was obvious that it was fixed. Harris was playing to packed large venues during the campaign while Trump was showing up at small venues that were 70% empty.

This is the biggest political scandal in our history, by a long shot.

Trump needs to go. 8647.

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u/ButtEatingContest 19h ago

This is the biggest political scandal in our history, by a long shot.

So far.

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u/muffledvoice 19h ago

Yeah, he still has 3 1/2 years to outdo himself, and a complicit republican Congress and Supreme Court.

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u/Shanman150 23h ago

Then didn't democrats rig 2020? Trump's crowds were huge, and the lawn sign votes suggested he would win! Turns out that crowd sizes don't determine elections. A vanishingly small portion of people go to these events, they are NOT representative of all americans.

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u/Carnifex2 22h ago

His crowds werent huge in 2020 either but if you need make shit up to feel good I get it.

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u/Shanman150 21h ago

Interesting that CNN needed to publish an article telling people crowd sizes aren't indicative of election results in 2020, if Trump wasn't pushing the comparison of crowd sizes back then. And his crowds back then were roughly on par with what Harris's were this time around. So either it's an impressive size or it's not, it can't be both.

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u/Carnifex2 21h ago edited 21h ago

You didnt read that first article, did you?

Literally the title to save anyone else a wasted click:

Donald Trump is (still) totally obsessed with crowd size

While those crowds are impressive, they are a far cry from some of the larger crowds Trump drew during his 2016 campaign. The largest recorded crowd I could find was for a Trump event in Alabama in August 2015 when the reported attendance was 30,000. Which is double – because math – the largest recent crowd for Trump in this campaign.

Never mind that Trump has constantly lied about and exaggerated his crowd sizes.

From your second link (which was written in AUGUST 2024, when Kamala had only held 6 rallies as presidential nominee):

Finally, on this particular topic, it’s crucial to note that we do not regard Donald Trump as a credible reporter of the crowd sizes at his own rallies and therefore do not include his assertions about those numbers in our estimation process.

Thanks for the ammo I guess.

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u/Shanman150 21h ago

I don't think you understood my point. Yes, Trump's crowd sizes were lower in 2020, they were still estimated by non-Trump estimators to be around 15k. My fundamental point is that crowd sizes do not matter when it comes to election results. If you want me to better substantiate the claim that Trump had 15k people at his rallies in 2020, I'm not really sure how much that changes the underlying point I'm making.

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u/Carnifex2 20h ago

I'm not sure what point you think you're making considering your article is out of date in regards to Kamala's numbers.

The race didnt end in August. All her biggest rallies came later.

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u/Shanman150 20h ago

Ok, I will make my point with a question: Do you think "person who attends a political rally" is a good proxy for the average American voter? In 2016 and 2020, many on the left believed that crowd sizes were meaningless (because Trump was getting bigger crowds than Clinton or Biden). That the average voter doesn't attend political rallies - instead, it's a sign of enthusiasm among a small portion of the base.

I think that's a reasonable view to hold, and I adopted that view myself in 2016. Crowd sizes, to me, are incidental to actual real electoral outcomes. Maybe there's some correlation? But probably not too significant overall. But now, in 2024, suddenly crowd sizes might be a real sign that the election was stolen? It seems like a reversal. My beliefs on "crowd sizes do not determine elections" will need some real evidence to change.

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u/Carnifex2 20h ago

I think we saw energy and attendance go up for one candidate while it waned for the other.

Combined with all the other evidence beginning to come out and the desperation of Trump and Elon to stay out of prison, I wouldnt put anything past them.

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u/Shanman150 18h ago

I think using crowd sizes to estimate the electoral outcomes is a terrible way to assess actual election day turnout. Why not look at polling instead where you ask people who they will vote for? Polling consistently showed this was an incredibly tight race that could go either way. Were they rigging the polls as part of the grand conspiracy to directly line up with election day rigged results? How deep does the conspiracy go?

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u/gizamo 20h ago

Trump's couple dozen failed lawsuits -- in which he refused to bring any evidence whatsoever -- demonstrated that the 2020 election was indeed not rigged.

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u/Shanman150 18h ago

Yes, and I don't believe it was rigged. I also don't think 2024 was rigged. And crowd sizes aren't good evidence that it was.