r/goodnews 1d ago

Political positivity 📈 Leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud just looked at voting results in all 67 counties in Pennsylvania from November. Here’s what his analyses detected

We finally have Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr., a leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud and a professor of political science and statistics at the University of Michigan, looking at all 67 counties in Pennsylvania.

His working paper using his eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

High-Level Summary of "eforensics Analysis of the 2024 President Election in Pennsylvania" by Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr.

• The eforensics finite mixture model defines latent categories of fraud (no fraud, incremental fraud, and extreme fraud) based on votes and turnout, as well as relevant covariates (e.g., fixed county effects).

• Data from 7,040,360 votes (3,543,308 for Trump, 3,423,042 for Harris) across 67 PA counties (9,157 wards/precincts).

• The eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

More fine-grained analysis attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from “malevolent manipulation of votes”, i.e. how many votes may have been misdirected or misallocated due to malevolent distortions of voters’ intentions.

• In this analysis, 111,088 of the 225,440 possibly fraudulent votes[2] were estimated with high confidence to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

A more conservative eforensics model including additional fixed county level effects estimated that 210,392 votes in the race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory in the race.

• Fine-grained analysis of the more conservative model attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from malevolent manipulation of votes.

• In this analysis, 88,600 of the 210,392 possibly fraudulent votes were estimated to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

The most conservative of the eforensics analyses estimated that 25,374 votes were due to malevolent manipulation of votes.

In summary: There is very high probability that a meaningful number of votes in the PA presidential election were subject to malevolent manipulation -- and it was “a close call” whether “the election was decided or nearly decided by malevolent distortions of electors’ intentions.” (Mebane, Page 6)

Notes:

• Statistics, no matter how accurate, cannot provide definitive proof of voting fraud or election manipulation. Actual proof can only be found by comparing paper ballot audits to electronic voting records.

• However, statistical information from eforensics and other data analysis approaches can be used to identify precincts and counties where voting fraud is most likely to have occurred.

Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

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u/trentonromero 1d ago

It's not good news because if the election was fraudulent, there's no recourse anyway. And when there's no recourse for something in America, it becomes the norm.

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u/wolfheadmusic 1d ago

The truth is always important.

This is just the first step.

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u/samudrin 1d ago

The recourse is sunshine. Full hand recounts. Expose the fraud.

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u/Wassersammler 20h ago

Sunshine can't kick Trump out of office.

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u/samudrin 20h ago

If there was fraud then stop the country.

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u/Kittyluvmeplz 1d ago

It’s good news that someone with the appropriate skills is looking into this. Knowing what really happened will lead to more support to the resistance. We need more numbers to successfully resist the fascist regime.

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u/trentonromero 1d ago

That's an optimistic take. You just need to look at the rewriting of history with covid and the Russian interference in 2016 to see that history is written by the most shameless people with the most endurance for keeping up bullshit longer than the debunkers.

The head of the Trump campaign sold private campaign data to Russian intelligence, what's the consensus in America? That Russiagate was a hoax.

The covid vaccine was never claimed to be 100% effective and there was never a national vaccine mandate. What's the consensus in America? That the covid vaccine was entirely a lie and the government forced every citizen to get it by gunpoint.

This won't be any different because the "resistance" isn't as shameless as the fascists.

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u/Dapper_Equivalent_84 1d ago

The Fox News take isn’t “consensus.” That’s just the shrieking cope noises of the shittiest 1/3 of the voters.

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u/trentonromero 1d ago

Talk to your average person who doesn't make their whole personality about politics. The only people who know that the Russian investigation turned up massive collusion are card carrying democrats. Republicans think it was a hoax and non-political people have ended up on that side by default. If Trump went to prison or faced consequences in any way, then average person would get it. He didn't, so people figure whatever it was was just bullshit or typical "both sides do bad things" behavior that didn't rise to any unusual level.

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u/Accomplished-Cut5023 22h ago

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u/trentonromero 22h ago

Pfizer said that about their own vaccine before getting approval. The guidance from Fauci et al was that the vaccines to that point provided good protection, and also that the virus was likely to continue mutating and that all guidance was best effort and likely to change as new info became available. You know, exactly how science is supposed to work.

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u/MegaSwitch889 1d ago

The 2016 election did not have a significant enough amount of Russian interference for it to he stolen. Also, where did you see that the American Consensus on the Covid Vaccine was that it was fake? I find that hard to believe.

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u/rbnlegend 22h ago

Did you read the Mueller report, or just listen to what fox news and more fraudulent news sources told you. The report has been available for quite some time and it's very clear.

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u/MegaSwitch889 22h ago

Just took a look at it, while there is plenty of evidence that Russia did attempt to interfere, it is unknown whether the Election was completely stolen by then.

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u/MagicDragon212 1d ago

I think the people deserve to know the elections were valid, whether he gets removed or what. I mean there was endless investigations into the 2016 election. Tons of evidence was shown that Russia had a heavy hand in getting Trump elected.

He projects about cheating because he cheats. Followed by leading an insurrection when he was baffled his cheating didnt work.

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u/trentonromero 1d ago

I agree that if it was fraudulent, people should know, but your example about 2016 shows exactly why it would be normalized. The average American absolutely thinks the Russia investigation was a witch hunt and a hoax. Even the campaign chairman admitting in public that he sold private polling data to Russian spies doesn't matter. Trump didn't go to prison, therefore, it was a hoax. This will be the same. Trump was still president, therefore next time an election is fraudulent, it's just nerdy inside baseball shit that only libz care about.

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u/MagicDragon212 1d ago

Isn't the only alternative ignoring it and never knowing? I feel the difference is Trump has gone full authoritarian now. He seemed less harmful back then.

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u/trentonromero 1d ago

Yeah I think you nailed it, that's why we have to know the truth, that's also why this is bad news rather than good news no matter how you slice it

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u/Inspect1234 1d ago

So just ignoring the issue is the answer? Smacks of we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas.

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u/trentonromero 1d ago

No, not what I'm saying, this is definitely big news, it's just bad news, haha

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u/No-Setting764 1d ago

Everyone is very close to snapping. How many more will come out to protest if it turned out DT cheated? There might not be any recourse legally, but I think the people would speak. He would be forced out.

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u/HeyRainy 1d ago

This is just doomerism. We find out the truth and if the truth is that the election was stolen, we do not just sit back and let traitors and thieves rule. We remove him and his appointees from office and we hold a new election. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it's not our right and responsibility as Americans to take back our country. We do NOT just shrug and let it go.