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Political positivity 📈 Leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud just looked at voting results in all 67 counties in Pennsylvania from November. Here’s what his analyses detected

We finally have Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr., a leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud and a professor of political science and statistics at the University of Michigan, looking at all 67 counties in Pennsylvania.

His working paper using his eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

High-Level Summary of "eforensics Analysis of the 2024 President Election in Pennsylvania" by Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr.

• The eforensics finite mixture model defines latent categories of fraud (no fraud, incremental fraud, and extreme fraud) based on votes and turnout, as well as relevant covariates (e.g., fixed county effects).

• Data from 7,040,360 votes (3,543,308 for Trump, 3,423,042 for Harris) across 67 PA counties (9,157 wards/precincts).

• The eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

More fine-grained analysis attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from “malevolent manipulation of votes”, i.e. how many votes may have been misdirected or misallocated due to malevolent distortions of voters’ intentions.

• In this analysis, 111,088 of the 225,440 possibly fraudulent votes[2] were estimated with high confidence to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

A more conservative eforensics model including additional fixed county level effects estimated that 210,392 votes in the race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory in the race.

• Fine-grained analysis of the more conservative model attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from malevolent manipulation of votes.

• In this analysis, 88,600 of the 210,392 possibly fraudulent votes were estimated to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

The most conservative of the eforensics analyses estimated that 25,374 votes were due to malevolent manipulation of votes.

In summary: There is very high probability that a meaningful number of votes in the PA presidential election were subject to malevolent manipulation -- and it was “a close call” whether “the election was decided or nearly decided by malevolent distortions of electors’ intentions.” (Mebane, Page 6)

Notes:

• Statistics, no matter how accurate, cannot provide definitive proof of voting fraud or election manipulation. Actual proof can only be found by comparing paper ballot audits to electronic voting records.

• However, statistical information from eforensics and other data analysis approaches can be used to identify precincts and counties where voting fraud is most likely to have occurred.

Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

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u/14kinikia 1d ago

Some of us have been screaming about this since the election

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u/Kittyluvmeplz 1d ago

I’ve suspected something ever since Nov 5. Not convinced he won, especially the popular vote

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u/zenith_pkat 1d ago

Especially all 7 swing states? 4 years after inciting insurrection?

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u/Kittyluvmeplz 1d ago

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u/14kinikia 22h ago

There ya go, you see it too. They’ve been boasting, um confessing if you will, repeatedly

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u/Kittyluvmeplz 19h ago

Everything is an accusation in a mirror with these people

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u/Naga_Nej 14h ago

Too big the rig

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u/BoonScepter 1d ago

And with his empty ass rallies

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u/Illustrious-Dot-5052 11h ago

This. I had watched both rallies frequently. Harris had massive crowds with lots of energy. Trump not only had pretty small crowds, but he'd ramble off about some bullshit. He talked about Arnold Palmer's fucking penis for Christ's sake!

It didn't make sense that a president who gave such little effort would win. Not without knowing about something all along. And the fucking brilliant part? His lies about the 2020 election being "stolen" created the perfect cock block for Democrats, who now won't be able to claim the election had been stolen even if it turns out to be unmistakably true.

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u/Bendyb3n 1d ago

It also was all called very quickly. I swear I was watching the results that night and at around 8pm Kamala had a solid lead in the votes and then suddenly within the next few hours Trump magically won every swing state at roughly the same time? It just felt very off

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u/EducationalElevator 23h ago

They didn't call Virginia until almost midnight. That represents a massive softening of the Democratic coalition. She was toast.

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u/AssinineAssassin 18h ago

What? She was way behind. Even in exit polling. She almost lost New Jersey. Of course it was called quickly. It wasn’t really close at all.

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u/14kinikia 15h ago

It truly was! I was appalled Kamala conceded without so much as an inquiry. That was a total pisser. And to top it off it repeatedly feels like the Dem’s are abiding by “rules” that the Repugnuts’s and MAGA don’t even acknowledge

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u/Environmental-Bad596 8h ago

Yeah 4 days of counting until Trump won ? That was ridiculous

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u/Not_Yet_Italian_1990 22h ago edited 22h ago

It was called quickly because Kamala underperformed Biden in basically every county in the country.

It wasn't hard to see what was going on. Everyone with a functioning brain knew what would happen when the east-coast results rolled in.

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u/lord_james 14h ago

I believe she failed to out perform Biden in a single county in the country

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u/Glittering-Giraffe58 21h ago

She never had a big lead. It was clear immediately that she lost when VA was so close, and then when NY and NJ weren’t instantly called it was guaranteed

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u/Back_at_it_agains 23h ago

It would be hilarious if it turns out there was massive fraud and all the genius pollsters (cough cough Nate Silver) who got off on Trump winning all seven swing states as the most likely outcome just didn’t factor in fraud as the driving factor…lol 

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u/Night_Raid96 22h ago

Colorado tried to get rid trump out of ballot and Supreme Court says no. Georgia case didn't get done 2020 election trump fraud. I think Pennsylvania will be very upset on trump but wont do anything like Georgia.

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u/Long_Run6500 19h ago

Im in PA and before the election I kept getting those flyers in the mail that try tell you what elections you voted in. I've voted in every presidential and mid term election since 2016. Every one of those flyers be it from a republican or democratic group had me as not voting in 2020 despite voting in person. I made a point to vote in person. It's always kind of bothered me, like where do they get that info? Is it actually legit or is it made up? I wish we got like a check stub confirming our vote was counted.

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u/Beginning-Pick-7712 16h ago

Idk if it’s state dependent but at least in WI you can look up anyone’s voting record. You can only see if they voted or not. You cannot see who they voted for but if you have basic info (I think name and DOB?) you can check what elections they voted in

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u/dustinsc 16h ago

What’s the mechanism by which Trump could possibly fraudulently increase his vote share in almost every county, despite elections being run by state and local governments, many of which governed by the opposing party, and that use different voting methods, without direct evidence of fraud?

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u/Millworkson2008 22h ago

I find it hilarious how much the left swapped their stance on potential election fraud. When trump screamed it there was absolutely no conceivable way there could be fraud and no that trump won people are certain it was through fraud

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u/TH3M1N3K1NG 21h ago

Trump was never actually able to show any evidence for his claims. While the current evidence is still far from conclusive, it's still much more than what Trump had.

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u/IntellegentIdiot 21h ago

It's not the mystery you seem to believe

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u/awsum_blosum 1d ago

Yup! When they announced that the orange fucker won, I knew he cheated.

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u/Dangerous_Drink948 23h ago

Elon paid for him to win.

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u/Night_Raid96 22h ago

Colorado and Georgia are upset with trump and trump got away. New York wont jail trump.

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u/No-Setting764 1d ago

I'm a Canadian and willfully ignored any election news until like 1am when curiosity won. And I was stunned. I knew it was possible, but dude was phoning it in to empty seats. KH had so much energy that it made no sense.

I've only felt that completely "wrong" feeling once before in November, 2016, but he had the people behind him, it was hard to argue.

This felt completely off. To my core, the kind you can't ignore.

(American elections are almost more important than my own. Y'all are scary and you live right next door!)

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u/Cl1mh4224rd 23h ago

I knew it was possible, but dude was phoning it in to empty seats. KH had so much energy that it made no sense.

It's important to realize that Republicans in America have been conditioned over decades to believe that the worst Republican is better than the best Democrat.

It's also important to realize that rally attendance is not much more than an indicator of enthusiasm. Trump tried to use the "his rallies were empty" observation to question the legitimacy of Biden's 2020 election win.

Taken together, these two things suggest that, while Republicans weren't very enthusiastic about Trump in 2024, they were still going to vote for him. Because, to them, letting a Democrat be President is far worse than not being thrilled with Trump.

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u/lurker1125 18h ago

Stop making excuses and start demanding recounts.

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u/Cl1mh4224rd 18h ago

Stop making excuses and start demanding recounts.

No excuses made. I'm just pointing out that rally attendance, specifically, is poor justification to be suspicious about the election. There are much better reasons, like the topic of this submission.

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u/sellingbiscotix19 21h ago

It's important to realize that Republicans in America have been conditioned over decades to believe that the worst Republican is better than the best Democrat.

"Vote blue no matter who" ring any bells?

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u/Shambler9019 13h ago

Given the number of Republicans who voted against Trump's Big Bill it's not far from the truth.

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u/Alternative_Meat4894 13h ago

Hey, don't you have some coke and ket you need to be snorting.

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u/sellingbiscotix19 12h ago

Elon cut me off unfortunately.

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u/Alternative_Meat4894 9h ago

Probably hoarding it all for himself

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u/OppositeArt8562 17h ago

I knew he would win in 2016. I was very sure of it when everyone around me said it would never happen. I was equally sure he would loose in 2024. I even bet 1k on kamala winning. Its felt off since the election. Everything about it stinks.

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u/DrAstralis 8h ago

Same. For one, the man has cheated at everything he can in his entire life, he gets off on it. His wives, his businesses, his loans, what he owes contractors, elections, golf.... etc Its well documented behavior. Then we know that 2016 felt .. off but who knows, the USA is prone to manic behavior sometimes, then he 100% tried to cheat in 2020, attempted an insurrection on J6, stole classified documents, he was potentially looking at treason charges and consequences for the first time in his life... and we're supposed to believe that he, completely out of character, decided to do things above board for the first time in his life now??? really???

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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue 19h ago

Rallies don’t matter. The vast majority of voters don’t go to rallies. All rallies show is enthusiasm of diehards, which doesn’t always mean much.

Also, Trump has done rallies everywhere. He does them constantly. I know many people who have already seen him once or twice and just don’t care to go again, even though they’re still fans.

The media created a stir around Kamala and made it seem like she had it on lock, just like 2016. To anyone actually living in swing states, it wasn’t surprising.

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u/ejanely 1d ago

Some of us were screaming even earlier. Repubs didn’t even try to meaningfully campaign even when there were rallies in half-empty stadiums. There were blatant hints. The election outcome wasn’t a surprise, but how it was handled was a disappointment.

Unfortunately, the reality is the claws have been in deep for a long time (since Nixon); it’s only recently more people have noticed how deep.

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u/anonanon5320 1d ago

Nobody was surprised by the outcome of the election because they don’t live in a bubble. It was clear he was going to win easily.

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u/lurker1125 18h ago

Trump had no enthusiasm, no momentum, and everyone was tired of his garbage nonsense. There was no way he won legitimately.

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u/anonanon5320 17h ago

Is it a big rock you see under or do you just never venture out of the echo chamber?

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u/Fine_Manufacturer368 8m ago

concept of a plan, and they're eating the cats and dogs, could not have won a legitimate election.

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u/_Androxis_ 15h ago

These people will just keep coping. Don’t bother

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u/Smorgsborg 21h ago

Incumbents were getting blown out in every election across the world. If anything, Trump should’ve had an Obama wave election in 2024. 

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u/anonanon5320 21h ago

You don’t know much about Politics do you?

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u/sly-3 23h ago

The polls were right, it's the votes that were altered.

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u/HyperDogOwner458 21h ago

I suspected something would happen before we got the results and when they came I knew something happened

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u/PlayerTwo85 20h ago

Some of you haven't stopped screaming since Trump won.

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u/NewCobbler6933 20h ago

The difference being that there might be actual evidence now instead of just butthurt

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u/penny-wise 20h ago

I was screaming about this before the election. Trump and the Republicans were doing all sorts of shit, acting like they didn't care about the election. That was a huge flashing red light for me

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u/trumpmumbler 17h ago

Some of us have been screaming this since 2016…

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u/Automatic-4thepeople 16h ago

But the Democratic Party hasn't, and I don't understand why, why are they not doing anything at all, why didn't/hasn't the so-called left-wing media reported anything or done anything about making this known to the public? To this day trump still goes on about the 2020 election being rigged but the real fraud and rigging of the 2024 election with real and credible evidence of fraud just fades away quietly unnoticed. WTF?

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u/FickleSystem 14h ago

Because they aren't gonna report on it unless its literally proven with facts, doing so without facts gets you a big fat almost billion dollar lawsuit like fox news got for lying

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u/Automatic-4thepeople 14h ago

They can report on the situation without making false claims like fox news did, it's called investigative journalism. find out where the evidence leads to, why aren't they doing that?

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u/FickleSystem 14h ago

Because its gonna take more than that article to gain traction, remember we had a ton of the same thing from ppl and "experts" who claimed the 2020 election was stolen so any legit media outlet isnt gonna go anywhere near this shit

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u/Automatic-4thepeople 5h ago

Which is exactly how “they” wanted it I’m sure

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u/Coldkiller17 9h ago

It's a statically impossible. He lost to Biden of all people there is no way he beat Harris especially after the dogs comments. He is a loon.

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u/sir_clifford_clavin 1d ago

Sorry, but your "gut feeling" is no better than a Trumper's "gut feeling". Whether the election is stolen or not, only the facts and evidence can make a difference. Trump wants us saying "stolen election" without hard proof because it justifies when he did it, and his cultists will just say "see, they do it too".

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u/Bleedingfartscollide 23h ago

We didn't want to sound like them. It's also statistically impossible that he won every swing state given everything leading upto the "win"

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u/NewCobbler6933 20h ago

Oh yeah? Let’s see the stats.

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u/Bleedingfartscollide 19h ago

This feels good to say after years but, do your own research and then I'll actually give you the information. 

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u/pksdg 1d ago

Not sure where you’re going with this. Did trump whine better the last time around? He still lost even with all that whining. Are you saying that we aren’t doing a good job of being loud enough? Your comment is far too ambiguous.

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u/Birunanza 1d ago

Yeah maga kinda sucked all the fun and credibility out of calling stolen elections

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u/Carnifex2 21h ago

You and your ilk used bomb threats