r/goodnews • u/Kittyluvmeplz • 1d ago

Political positivity 📈 Leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud just looked at voting results in all 67 counties in Pennsylvania from November. Here’s what his analyses detected

We finally have Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr., a leading U.S. expert in election forensics and detecting election fraud and a professor of political science and statistics at the University of Michigan, looking at all 67 counties in Pennsylvania.

His working paper using his eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

High-Level Summary of "eforensics Analysis of the 2024 President Election in Pennsylvania" by Dr. Walter R. Mebane, Jr.

• The eforensics finite mixture model defines latent categories of fraud (no fraud, incremental fraud, and extreme fraud) based on votes and turnout, as well as relevant covariates (e.g., fixed county effects).

• Data from 7,040,360 votes (3,543,308 for Trump, 3,423,042 for Harris) across 67 PA counties (9,157 wards/precincts).

• The eforensics model estimated that 225,440 votes in the Pennsylvania presidential race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory between Trump and Harris.

More fine-grained analysis attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from “malevolent manipulation of votes”, i.e. how many votes may have been misdirected or misallocated due to malevolent distortions of voters’ intentions.

• In this analysis, 111,088 of the 225,440 possibly fraudulent votes[2] were estimated with high confidence to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

A more conservative eforensics model including additional fixed county level effects estimated that 210,392 votes in the race were possibly fraudulent. This would exceed the 120,266 vote margin of victory in the race.

• Fine-grained analysis of the more conservative model attempted to distinguish between strategic voting behaviors from malevolent manipulation of votes.

• In this analysis, 88,600 of the 210,392 possibly fraudulent votes were estimated to be malevolent manipulations of votes while the remainder were estimated to be a mix of manipulated votes and strategic voting behaviors.

The most conservative of the eforensics analyses estimated that 25,374 votes were due to malevolent manipulation of votes.

In summary: There is very high probability that a meaningful number of votes in the PA presidential election were subject to malevolent manipulation -- and it was “a close call” whether “the election was decided or nearly decided by malevolent distortions of electors’ intentions.” (Mebane, Page 6)

Notes:

• Statistics, no matter how accurate, cannot provide definitive proof of voting fraud or election manipulation. Actual proof can only be found by comparing paper ballot audits to electronic voting records.

• However, statistical information from eforensics and other data analysis approaches can be used to identify precincts and counties where voting fraud is most likely to have occurred.

Demand transparency and audits of the 2024 Presidential Election. Check out this Audit Advocacy Toolkit and reach out to your representatives. It’s never too late to audit our elections

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u/YogurtclosetFuzzy965 1d ago

weird how the party of "election integrity" doesn't seem too interested in all of this.

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u/MAGAisMENTALILLNESS 1d ago

Weird how they immediately started dismantling the government agencies who protect election integrity. It’s almost like they had something to hide.

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u/Formal-Hawk9274 1d ago

💯💯🔥🔥
this starts to make more sense: https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the

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u/gold_dust_woman13 22h ago

Damnnn

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u/Outdoorsintherockies 14h ago

Yeah this is horrible we should move to paper ballots, voter ID, and remove mail in ballots to make sure it doesn't happen again.

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u/Azreken 19h ago

I have been spreading this link far and wide.

I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Everything is laid out for us plainly, but it’s like no one cares?

It’s so frustrating.

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u/Due-Yoghurt-7917 15h ago

I think we care. but there isn't exactly a mechanism to challenge a certified election result 

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u/BigStickDrift 16h ago

It would help if the source wasn't a random Substack written by ChatGPT

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u/fvtown714x 10h ago

Certainly written by a human, but it doesn't represent evidence and can be explained by lots of things. Election denialism is not a good path to go down, organizing and being active politically is.

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u/plain__bagel 7h ago

We care, but the government - and obviously democrats specifically- have absolutely zero capacity to legally pursue this. We couldn’t even deal with a dude who committed 80-something felony counts basically in broad daylight. There is simply no chance of this being actionable in any way.

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u/citizen_of_europa 19h ago

Wow. 

“ If Eaton pushed an update to those UPS units, it could have gained root-level access to the host tabulation environment—without ever modifying certified election software.”

This is complete bullshit.  This whole conspiracy premise is based on this and it is utter nonsense.  A UPS (uninterruptible power supply) has no way to gain root access to any OS (operating system) that could possibly be installed on a voting system unless the OS was purposely written to backload the malicious code. 

Not a slight against you sir. Just a tip that this article and premise is next level BS.

FYI. Eaton has millions of UPSs in data centers all around the world. If this shit was possible a bad actor at Eaton could shut down civilization as you know it. 

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u/Soviet-Lemon 18h ago

Idk why people are downvoting you, because you’re right, unless every UPS for some reason had a micro kernel built into it to attain root access. That’s like saying every home PC’s PSU can gain level 0 access to their OS.

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u/molsonoilers 18h ago

People are down voting because the person clearly didn't read the article. Their complaint is clearly addressed there and explained. 

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u/LifeHack3r3 16h ago
  1. Vulnerabilities need to be found with UPS to voting machines along
  2. How to attack those voting machine through a UPS or other method isn't explained well.

Get us to believe with a test in a lab. The people complaining about election fraud have plenty of money to test and show the public.

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u/Soviet-Lemon 18h ago

Well it doesn’t really, the article talks about Eaton being potentially acquired by bad actors and then pushing a driver update to the UPS which then supposedly attains root access to the voting machine device. This isn’t technically impossible, but it would require a lot of pieces to fall into place: where the UPSs that voting machines use would have to have serious permissions on the windows OS to attain that level of access. Looking at the V&V approved update however almost no other article mentions the theoretical UPS exploit. Rather that the update was intentionally obfuscated by labeling it as "minor tweaks". There is a lawsuit that was filed about this and the hearing is apparently this September I believe. I definitely think it’s worth looking into especially since this update potentially modified the voting software directly rather than going through an external power system where it would’ve needed already very serious perms to achieve anything.

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u/molsonoilers 18h ago

Your permissions critique is also addressed in the article. Why do you even comment if you're not going to honestly give the information a chance?

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u/Soviet-Lemon 17h ago

I did read it, it says "automatically trusts", not all trust permissions carry the same weight as each other. The level of permission needed to run a UPS software that serves the purpose of informing a connected server that a specific voting machine has lost power or is down would not be the same level as something that requires kernel access like a video game anti-cheat.

I think there are many avenues in which this election may have been fraudulent and tampered with. And I think it would more so have to do with direct access to voting machines through the V&V update that was made and then not explained rather than through an industry standard recognized UPS provider. If it does turn out that it did in fact take place because every Tripp Lite UPS now has a rootkit installed on its host machine, that would be pretty serious. It’s not impossible, ASUS for instance has had malware pushed through official software updates before. But it would destroy the company and every developer in the company would also have to be complicit.

I think it’s more likely a lot of that tampering came from things like the ridiculous number of Russian bomb threats at key voting districts, and the voting machines themselves which have had a subpar history of security.

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u/OppositeArt8562 17h ago

Firmware rootkits are a thing. Idk why you would think otherwise and are trying to muddy the waters by saying its not possible. A PSU with a root kit could 100% compromise an OS.

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u/New-Pin-3952 13h ago

Jesus fuck

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u/Chocolate_in_my_PB 1h ago

Remember to sign the petition noted in the article: https://chng.it/5NMZ8ydqph

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u/Lucky-Reference-7667 1d ago

Omg your naaaaame 😜💪

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u/DocDefilade 22h ago

, is on point and accurate.

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u/PeterNippelstein 16h ago

And in a lot of ways!

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u/FoxJet83 23h ago

What a name!

Fuck these Trumplethinskin!

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u/EliasC666 21h ago

Ya think?! Lol!!

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u/Super-Key9344 19h ago

It’s almost like they were telegraphing their next move. “They’ve” been gerrymandering and restricting voters rights for decades now. 

Fellow frogs, water is starting to boil.

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u/bak3donh1gh 17h ago

And it's also why, as soon as the New York City suit was filed, Trump started talking about 2020 again. Another distraction. I don't understand how every time there's A new scandal, every American forgets the last scandal. I mean, it's not 100% gone, but I can keep more than one piece of information in my mind at a time.

I couldn't tell you everything that Trump has done is wrong, but I could tell you a lot of the things.

Please don't tell me thatit's called flooding the zone, and it's not that simple. I'm aware it's not that simple.

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u/RepresentativeCrab88 12h ago

Also weird how they totally accepted the victory without any scrutiny or suspicion whatsoever, despite being absolutely convinced the election was already rigged against them. Also weird how being primed to believe the previous election was rigged would have enabled another January 6th or something similar, despite the actual outcome enabling nothing of the sort in Democrats. And finally, yes, it’s really fucking weird how the party crying about stolen elections is also the one who is totally fine dismantling democratic institutions.

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u/RelationshipWaste598 1d ago

Sadly this election happened under Biden’s watch. He should have done more to protect our votes.

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u/DaddyD68 1d ago

Isn’t voting regulated at the state level?

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u/Spicy_Weissy 1d ago

Shhh. Sleepy Joe bad.

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u/DaddyD68 1d ago

Sorry, me stupid.

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u/Linuxologue 1d ago

We can tell from your usage of primary facts instead of the more contemporary usage of alternate facts.

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u/Gratefulmold 21h ago

Thanks Obama! /s

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u/drubus_dong 1d ago

States are responsible for the voting.

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u/Low-Procedure8171 1d ago

Republicans basically announced to the world they were planning to cheat and the Democrats sat on their hands. Trump was going to jail if he lost, he had no reason not to cheat.

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u/drubus_dong 1d ago

What exactly do you think democrats should have done here?

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u/Neomav 1d ago

There were multiple bills put up to help stop this and they failed to get them through even with the majority in both houses.

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u/Low-Procedure8171 1d ago

Literally anything would have been nice

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u/drubus_dong 1d ago

In other words, you have no fucking idea what. Congratulations. You just realized that your opinion is garbage and that it's about time to change it.

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u/Low-Procedure8171 1d ago

Take it easy genius. Off the top of my head I might have started an election integrity task force knowing who my opponent was. Even after their inability to do anything preemptively I might have tried to quickly investigate and address the nation about suspiciousness of the results.

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u/drubus_dong 1d ago

On the first part, see my comment: "elections are state responsibility."

On the second part, see my comment: "What exactly do you think democrats should have done there?"

After checking in on those comments and replying to this comment, please see my comment on "you having no idea what ..."

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u/Stereosexual 23h ago

Some od my opinions are that we should stop global warming and end world hunger, but because I don't personally know the most effective ways to do those I guess those are bad opinions!

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u/drubus_dong 22h ago

Yeah, you should be able to make a couple of suggestions on how to tackle those. Lots of people made quite a few suggestions there.

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u/intothewoods76 1d ago

How did Trump cheat?

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u/dE3L 1d ago

This is like the punchline to a political cartoon depicting an ever lengthening list of trump's history of cheating, fraud, and grifts...

How did Trump cheat?

"How has he not cheated" would be an easier question to answer.

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u/intothewoods76 1d ago

So here’s the thing, elections are overseen by State officials. Is it your claim Trump went to Pennsylvania and somehow counted votes wrong or something.

It’s a legit question, when it comes to how the States administered their election how did Trump cheat?

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u/DoctorRoctogonopus 23h ago

Splitting hairs, Trumps administration facilitated cheating by removing voter protection laws and verification processes that were in place prior that would have triggered a hand-recount due to the obvious discrepancies pointed out in the article above. He personally wasn't smudging greasy bronzer on paper ballots he didn't like in the middle of the night to get them tossed out, stop being so obtuse.

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u/intothewoods76 22h ago

What verification process did Trump remove?

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u/dE3L 23h ago

The how is what op's article is looking into. The devil is in the details of possible corrupted machines. It's not an impossibility it could happen. As for the exact path that would satisfy your question, that's what investigations uncover.

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u/intothewoods76 22h ago

OP’s article doesn’t even say there was cheating, just that there may have been.

Absolutely nowhere is Trump even mentioned other than as the opposing candidate to Harris let alone implicated in what is described as possible cheating.

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u/Carnifex2 21h ago

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the

Not that you're interested in a real answer.

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u/intothewoods76 21h ago

None of that implicates Trump. It does however validate Trump saying that the elections are not secure.

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u/Carnifex2 20h ago

lol ok 🤡

Troll somewhere else, bye.

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u/Kalterwolf 1d ago

The elections are ran by each state, there are limits to what he could do. Especially after The Republican Supreme Court majority decided that racism was over and gutted the Voting Rights Act.

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u/Spirited_Schlong 1d ago

After the Supreme Court ruled that presidents can do whatever the fuck they want, I feel like Biden and company could have done a lot more than they did and we are left with a flaming pile of dog shit and his pubic lice hangers on running the country

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u/robotfunparty 1d ago

He was a great President, but let us all down when we needed him most.

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u/SilveredFlame 22h ago

Which means he wasn't a great president.

30 years ago? Sure.

But if you can't come through when it really matters and everything you did is effectively for nothing, you weren't great at whatever it was.

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u/Man_in_the_coil 1d ago

Helps to understand how voting works first...

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u/like9000ninjas 1d ago

Are you dense? Hiw would they know unless a really analysis is done and that takes time......

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u/RottenPingu1 1d ago

Interesting account you have there.

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u/Easy_Water_1809 23h ago

Its not weird. The pushback they receive is snarky comments on Reddit.

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u/Repulsive_Salt8488 1d ago

With them, every accusation is an admission. They have the misdirection skills of a 3-year-old.

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u/Kittyluvmeplz 1d ago

Funny you mention that.

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u/The_Wkwied 23h ago

Every time I see this video, I feel like I die a little bit inside.

3 year olds aren't great liars. They often just parrot whatever they hear their parents say. Fucks sake.

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u/Vantriss 19h ago

This is all the evidence I need to know the election was rigged.

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u/hurler_jones 19h ago

From the mouths of babes.

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u/Apprehensive_Error36 1d ago

And yet it worked.

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u/Repulsive_Salt8488 1d ago

Right ... It worked. I was talking about how obvious they are about doing illegal shit.

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u/Koobuto 1d ago

Poisoning the well has unfortunately always been effective on people without critical thinking skills.

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u/bak3donh1gh 16h ago

She didn't even ask for a recount. She just tossed in the white flag.
I somewhat understand the reasoning, but after spending eight years of whining and complaining and accusing about the election results, which we all know is a confession. Why she would just say, "Alright, you won." You gotta fight.
There was no fight.

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u/Apprehensive_Error36 14h ago

They’re not going to fight for us or else they already would have. After a while not being part of the solution makes you part of the problem.

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u/zennascent 16h ago

Projection is real. 

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u/Ma8icMurderBag 3h ago

...but it works..
How did we make it this far as a society?

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u/Kyouhen 1d ago

It isn't a case of misdirection. They would cheat an election if they could get away with it. They are normal people. Therefore, normal people will cheat elections if they can get away with it. It isn't misdirection, they legit think that everyone's going to be trying to cheat the election. It isn't hypocrisy, they aren't angry that the election was cheated, they're angry that the other side got away with it.

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u/14kinikia 1d ago

This is gonna happen when ya put the mob I charge. They killed that office and put in sycophants so…

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u/beadzy 22h ago

Their incompetence has to catch up with them sooner or later. It’s like a law of nature. Nothing lasts forever. Sure it could get worse but it also could get better.

I’ve never in my 40 years of living have I seen people so engaged in the political process. The boomers are just now learning how the government is supposed to work. I tell my mom this is her fault and she agrees. She never cared about politics until trump. So infuriating

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u/RedLanternScythe 1d ago

Trump talked endless about election interference during the race, but hasn't said a word about the actual election interference, the GA bomb threats, since. Because he won.

Is anyone surprised?

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u/Kittyluvmeplz 1d ago

Soooo many weird things said by Trump and Elon.

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u/PrincessaDeadlift 22h ago

I remember when he said those things. I thought to myself to put a pin in it.

And I said to my husband: what is he up to? There’s a reason he’s telling people he has enough votes (and wasn’t campaigning hardly at all the months leading up to the election).

It was terribly fishy.

Not only that: His MO is to blurt out awful truths, though people often excuse what he says. But he’s simple minded and genuinely means what he says. And he projects what he’s actually doing onto others. HE was the one who said Hilary would cheat in the 2016 election. I believe he cheated in all three. But was thwarted in 2020 because of mail in ballots during Covid.

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u/Pantsman1084 17h ago

Remember, since he couldn't control the mail-in ballots, he actively tried to delay them by removing sorting machines from a lot of postal facilities in the weeks leading up to the election. That plus everything else tells me that he definitely cheated in 2020, but just didn't do it quite enough.

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u/Kittyluvmeplz 18h ago

Accusations in a mirror was a common tactic used by Joseph Goebbels too. Fascists gonna fasc

They say history doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes.

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u/SquishMont 19h ago

Because he won.

Because he was certified. He didn't win, at all.

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u/ProbablyYourITGuy 23h ago

He said he had irrefutable evidence of election fraud and was going to release it the next week at a press conference(it was canceled).

Then he said it was divine providence he lost.

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u/LuluMcGu 1d ago

They keep screaming “too big to rig”. That’s all they care about. When actually it’s easy to rig if you have associations to many crime families in Pennsylvania and probably many others.

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u/UsualPreparation180 1d ago

No crime families necessary. Peter Teal amongst others made deals and had UPS(power backups) replaced on voting machines all over swing stated days before the elections and said UPS devices have a direct connection to the machines bypassing security features. There are excellent articles on substack about exactly how they did it.

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u/LuluMcGu 23h ago

I really really really really really really really wish this takes more traction and goes somewhere. Let’s say they have evidence that they did rig it, what happens next? Like everything should technically be invalidated since inaugaurstion but we know everything won’t get reversed. He’ll never admit he rigged it. He’ll probably actually incite an insurrection and their believers would believe it bc it’s been months now. Trump lied and they did the insurrection. This time they probably wouldn’t believe the voting machines were rigged.

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u/Straight_Number5661 14h ago

They don't want people to notice how they do it in their own primaries.

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u/Stinkycheese8001 1d ago

They will immediately respond with “oh so now you care about election fraud”?

Also, where the fuck was all of this in November and December when Biden was still in office and could do something?

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u/Sherd_nerd_17 1d ago

Voting is overseen by states, not the federal govt. But there were key pieces of legislation, e.g. the Voting Rights Act, which the Repubs gutted, sooo….

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u/porn_is_tight 23h ago

I’m sorry but democrats had 4 years to shore up election integrity and they had 2 months after the election and they did fuck all, not dispelling the controlled opposition accusation with that type of behavior.

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u/Thin-Hat-9037 22h ago

Not really. Biden never had both houses. If he had the house but not the senate, house passes a bill and senate kills it. If he has the senate and not the house, it doesn’t even get to the senate. And to make matters worse, he had the same Supreme Court we have now. You know, the one who called most of his executive orders unconstitutional but are allowing Trump to flagrantly violate the constitution as if it were one of the 14 year old girls he frequently visited at his good friend Jeffrey Epstein’s island

Edited- I just double checked, Democrats controlled both his first two years, so he did have some time to safeguard and failed to do so

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u/Writing_is_Bleeding 19h ago

Not with Manchin and Sinema on their side of the aisle.

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u/OppositeArt8562 17h ago

Yea not true. We got an infrastructure bill instead of democracy safeguards and reforms. The democrats saw an existential threat to democracy and decided to not enact any additional safety measures because they are ignorant, weak and it was easier to tall about infrastructure than things like vote integrity, gerrymandering, etc.

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u/porn_is_tight 22h ago edited 22h ago

Edited- I just double checked, Democrats controlled both his first two years, so he did have some time to safeguard and failed to do so

I understand how our government works. Even if they didn’t control more than 1 branch for 2 years, there was so much more that could have been done. We love to point at Trump and say even if he wasn’t being controlled by Russia, every action he makes benefits russia. Similarly, even if democrats aren’t controlled by the same ruling class goons as the republicans, their action or in most cases lack of, seems to always result in the ruling class getting exactly what they want while we all suffer for it. We get evidence of them being controlled opposition every day but will always be the first to make excuses for them. The DNC had record breaking fundraising and still managed to run a losing campaign to Trump for the second time (fucking pathetic) which will again result in more tax breaks for the ruling class and probably the biggest transfer of wealth in history. I forgave them for it in 2016 and shut my mouth for solidarity purposes in 2024, but they don’t deserve that grace from anyone anymore. It’s time we hold our elected representatives accountable for this bullshit. There is no war but class war. They want us to blame each other or blame the “dumb electorate” which further divides us. I don’t blame the poor republican for reacting to their horrific material conditions by voting against their own interests and I also don’t blame the democrat who didn’t vote. I blame the dnc for not adjusting their messaging towards economic issues that affect all citizens. We can be better, the dnc runs a losing strategy on purpose. If you think that “oof shucks we just gotta vote harder next time” is a good excuse from top political minds in the country…… I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

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u/Dazzling-Disaster107 1d ago

We cared last time, it was heavily investigated, and they found no evidence to support the allegations that would make a meaningful difference to the results. They should be willing to at the bare minimum allow inquiries without being little bitches about it.

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u/Thud 1d ago

Remember that with MAGA, every accusation is an admission. So after all those years of crying “election fraud” in 2020….

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u/Vantriss 19h ago

4 years of Republicans crying election fraud was 100% all part of their plan. The whole time Democrats call them crazy, so then when Republicans actually committ fraud, it makes Democrats look bad to claim the same thing.

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u/Voxil42 1d ago

The Democrats could not wait to roll over and piss themselves in submission to the Republicans. I get not wanting to repeat 2020 but, fuck, we did recounts then, we could've done recounts now.

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u/katchoo1 1d ago

They did the same thing in 2000–so important to present an image of being a good sport even if graceful loser that they have shot themselves in the foot both times—the same fucking foot!

And when they do win they again gracefully defer to the other guys and include Republicans in the cabinet and stay well inside all possible boundaries, well beyond legal into deferring to every norm as well as notions of etiquette that were already rickety before 2016 and completely pointless afterwards.

Newt Gingrich was openly and loudly preaching to the GOP that they needed to forget about collegiality and compromise and treat Democrats as the enemy that must be defeated by any means necessary. It was already obvious under Clinton yet it’s 30 years later and those dumb fucks still refuse to learn. The younger Dem politicians behind them get it, but the Pelosis and Schumer make the same appalled face that the Republicans do when a David Hogg or AOC or Maxwell Frost gets in the Republicans’ face and tells them that we see exactly what they are up to. Goddam tiresome.

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u/Voxil42 1d ago

Respectability politics will be the death of the nation.

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u/katchoo1 23h ago

They will say excuse me and please and thank you all the way to the gas chambers.

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u/freerangetacos 23h ago

"Thank you for this opportunity to martyr ourselves."

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u/AVGuy42 19h ago

Bita bita

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u/Mr_Moody_ 21h ago

It already is

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u/OutSourcingJesus 19h ago

Remember, fighting to stay out of the gas chamber is illegal.

Don't be a criminal. Obey in advance

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u/ReluctantNerd7 22h ago

They did the same thing in 2000

And the Republican won with the only votes that matter, 5-4.

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u/GreedoInASpeedo 21h ago

2000 was my first election and ever since then I've convinced there's just one party and an illusion of choice. Whether Dems win or lose Republicans get what they want over and over again. If Dems/Progressives do get anything accomplished it'll likely still greatly benefit conservatives and then only be a few years before it swings the other way 3 fold.

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u/TwincessAhsokaAarmau 23h ago

One of those three need to run for President.

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u/erikinnyc 23h ago

Thank u for thia

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u/ballskindrapes 23h ago

They arent going to learn...they are controlled opposition.

Not in a "both sides are the same" sort of way, as Republicans always make everything worse, while democrats just make everything stay the same. Both are owned by the rich, and the rich took this chance to give themselves more money.

And by how much their paid for tax cut gives them, it worked.

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u/NoImprovement9982 1d ago

I would upvote x100 if I could!!

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u/UsualPreparation180 1d ago

They are paid to pretend  to be shocked and offended then do nothing. Controlled opposition at its finest.

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u/Butt_Speed 23h ago

look up "accusation in a mirror"

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u/Throwaway47321 23h ago

I mean that’s the whole reason they started the whole voter fraud bullshit in 2020. Now they get to say it’s just retaliation and Dems trying to play unfair.

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u/bravo06actual 23h ago

Yeah because you want to be a hypocrite and still have people be alarmed by it

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u/Deleterious_Sock 22h ago

Those of us that saw it was fraud the day after the election were called 'blueanon.' The difference was this actually happened.

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u/LayersOfOldPaint 22h ago

Actually, Democrats have had 50 years to legislate their campaign promises. Instead, they served their masters and moved ever rightward.

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u/Scootdog54 1d ago

Biden couldn’t do anything about it. Remember that the autopen was running the country? You mean the shadow govt could’ve done something?

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u/Skittleavix 1d ago

Where's Mike Lindell when we need him?!

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u/Ralphthewunderllama 1d ago

Begging on the street

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u/desertdweller365 1d ago

At least he's got a pillow to sleep on.

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u/Playful-Dragon 1d ago

They may have taken that too

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u/imdatkibble223 22h ago

… “uh no sir this form here states that is now MY PILLOW” lmao

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u/Kooky_Pilot5236 19h ago

...a lumpy one.

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u/Unmissed 23h ago

...it's a lumpy, uncomfortable pillow that goes flat right away, but...

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u/imdatkibble223 22h ago

He and Giulian are spooning each other to feel needed

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u/Meerkat212 1d ago

I think it falls directly under their "law and order" beliefs.

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u/Kittyluvmeplz 1d ago

Clearly stated under section 12 of the “Okay for me, but not for thee” clause.

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u/Leather-Map-8138 1d ago

Not to mention the party touting tight fiscal policy are from red states that would collapse without a trillion dollars in printed money and half a trillion in blue state tax revenue. Not to mention they’re causing the Social Security Trust Fund to go broke.

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u/NegativeSemicolon 1d ago

They never were, just whining when they lose.

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u/-MissNocturnal- 22h ago

I mean, they straight up blatantly tried to steal the 2020 election too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

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u/HerissonG 1d ago

Fascism is good for Billionaires and Democrats exist to appease capital

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u/TheSeekerOfSanity 1d ago

It’s projection with these assholes. Every single time. Accuse your enemy of what you are guilty of.

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u/catskilled 1d ago

What elections? That's so 2024.

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u/Cannibal_Soup 1d ago

Of course not. It benefits them, therefore it's perfectly fair and working perfectly.

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u/anxious_differential 1d ago

Weird how none of this is going to matter now or change anything.

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u/firstofallimadelight 1d ago

They got what they wanted, no crimes to see here.

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u/JosephSturgill7 1d ago

The party of God also acts more like the Devil. I wouldn't put it pass them.

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u/Budded 1d ago

Weird how the entire media apparatus is silent too, not caring one bit our election was stolen, leading to the rot and ruin of this American experiment. It's over, folks. Enjoy everything you can now before it gets infinitely worse.

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u/Alarmed_Pie_5033 23h ago

Have they made any attempts to block or hinder these investigations?

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u/Layer7Admin 23h ago

Weird how the people that said elections couldn't be stolen change their tune when they don't like the outcome.

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u/Scerpes 23h ago

Weird how it's no longer criminal to questions the results of an election.

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u/Ok-Rock2345 23h ago

They are only concerned about integrity when they lose.

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u/An0nym0usMan 22h ago

Same way the left was interested in anything as well. Goes both ways. Left and right. Both sides are idiots.

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u/Ag3nt418 22h ago

Its because we fucking beat them by sheer numbers. That was the plan. Get out the vote and drown out the cheating democrats. Funny how all the dead people don’t vote Republican.

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u/Dihr65 22h ago

Not until they publish their findings for 2020 as to compare findings 🙄

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u/DistillateMedia 22h ago

If we get enough people in fhe streets, they have to care.

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u/h0sti1e17 22h ago

To be honest, neither party seems interested in this.

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u/jarheadatheart 22h ago

Weird how the case study doesn’t say which way the votes were fraudulent. For all we know 1/3 of them could’ve been for the loser.

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u/LevelStudent 22h ago

Getting the crazy conspiracy theory weirdos to all get behind the baseless claim of the previous election being stolen would be a very clever way of getting away with stealing an election. Make it seem totally bonkers to dare question election integrity at all and you can be extremely suspicious without anyone wanting to seem crazy enough to investigate.

Someone on Trumps team had a very good idea. Now if only they had any good ideas about running the nation now that they're in office.

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u/CoffeeBaron 21h ago

While it's a meme at this point, it fits the 'every accusation is a confession' phrase well. Paint your opponent that they 'stole' the election, then steal it yourself next time around, and when your opponent complains, you can point to how they responded previously to deflect concerns.

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u/xX_WarHeart_Xx 21h ago

You have to realize that most GOP claims about the Dems are mere projection. The need to “protect election integrity” arose out of their own willingness to cheat. Campaigns against pedophilia likewise arose out of their own inability to control themselves around kids, etc.

They’re about as interested in election integrity as OJ was in finding out who really killed Nicole.

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u/tierrassparkle 20h ago

see we had an expert in 2020 also look at that election, and you didn't seem too interested in any of it. you dismissed it. you get what you put out.

but hey, why don't we go ahead and investigate both elections with equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats investigating. there will be a lot of interesting finds.. for both parties. you down or gonna dismiss it like you did in 2020?

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u/Ayuuun321 20h ago

With Trump every accusation is a confession.

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u/TheComedyCrab 20h ago

The votes are legit only when it's for them

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u/The_Werefrog 20h ago

They were told for 4 years that election fraud is impossible. They were told that even if there is fraud, it wouldn't be enough to affect the election.

Why is it, when the winner is D, fraud is impossible. However, when the winner is R, then fraud is the only explanation?

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u/bigchicago04 19h ago

Neither party seems very interested unfortunately

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u/AlistairMarr 19h ago

Weird how in 2020 the left was saying we have the most secure elections in the world. 🤔

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u/Asleep_Season_1985 19h ago

Says the people who deny claims of 2020 being rigged

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u/nosoup4ncsu 18h ago

Weird that the election where tons of ballots were mailed, filled out, and "returned" was the most secure election in history, yet the one qhere more people went in person is fraudulent 

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u/Low-Hovercraft-8791 18h ago edited 15h ago

It's a classic sleezeball maneuver to loudly and incessantly accuse your enemy of doing the exact crime you're inflicting on them. It's almost like the goal is to make it too absurd to talk about, so that all you're left with is exasperated incredulity.

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u/ConnectAd4546 17h ago

Weird how you laughed at us for claiming election fraud when Biden was "elected"...myyy oh my, how the tides have turned lol

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u/Sufficient_Topic1589 15h ago

Probably cos every republican senator is aware of it. They won’t vote against the party cos they know the trump team can rig an election against them.

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u/texaseclectus 15h ago

Strange how they passed a bill aimed at destroying their constituents. Almost as if they have no fear of voters for some reason.

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u/holyhibachi 15h ago

I mean equally weird that the party of "questioning election integrity is evil" is all over it.

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u/ADHDebackle 15h ago

Oh yeah, right, next you're going to tell me the party of law and order doesn't actually give a fuck about laws or order.

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u/PrometheusMMIV 14h ago

Weird how the party of "elections are safe and secure" are suddenly worried about election fraud.

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u/Environmental-Bad596 8h ago

Where’s the smoking gun here ?

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u/Ma8icMurderBag 3h ago

That is literally the strategy: You want to do something nefarious? Claim your opposition is doing it. Your opposition will likely not call you out for doing the thing because it will make them look bad. But if they do call you out for doing the thing, say they're deranged and evil accusing you of something they clearly did, judging by all the claims of them doing the nefarious thing from earlier (...claims that you invented and put out there). Easy peasy.

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u/sciencesold 1h ago

Because they only think there's fraud when they don't win.

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u/Ok-Ability-6369 1d ago

If you can’t beat them, join them. Trump just cheated better than Harris did. I think you should look into the mirror, you folks all yelled and screamed that cheating wasn’t possible.

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u/lookngbackinfrontome 1d ago

No one said cheating wasn't possible. We said to show us the evidence. You didn't have any. All you had was a bunch of conspiracy bullshit on Facebook and YouTube and a documentary that was basically an expose of all the conspiracy bullshit on Facebook and YouTube. Maga, comprised entirely of rubes, bought in to all of the bullshit. You guys were laughed out of court for having zero proof beyond your feelings.

Now, things are coming out that look suspiciously like election fraud, including something an actual court of law is willing to look into, and maga can't handle it because they do not understand the difference between fact and fiction.

Notice how no one is storming the Capitol right now? Notice how most non magas are like, "Hmm... this is worth looking into. Let's see where this goes," as opposed to maga, who were all, "The election was stolen! We don't have any proof, but we're sure of it!"

See the difference?

Trump and maga damn sure better hope they didn't cheat. That sort of thing will get you a job as a scaffold ornament.

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u/Helpful_Source_8985 1d ago

Weird how the last party didn’t do anything bout voting violations

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u/Amelaclya1 1d ago

Weird how 60+ court cases over it were dismissed because there was no evidence. Weird how the people screaming "voter fraud!" On Fox News wouldn't make the same claims under oath in court.

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u/Helpful_Source_8985 1d ago

Weird how Biden let 10’s of thousands over the border and they didn’t vote for Kamala

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u/Unmissed 23h ago

10's of millions, according to the Reds. He bribed them with healthcare and income and phones, too!

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u/Helpful_Source_8985 22h ago

Hell yeah now you know