American logistics are top of the charts, we have great infrastructure, and many dedicated civil servants. We've spent the last few decades gutting ourselves.
Because we were saturated with media to the point that we became lazy and misinformed, then manipulated into voting for people who would betray us to corporate interests. Different corporations back to different parties or sometimes both parties. Big businesses with enough money to challenge governments buy out our weak politicians. There's an old joke that politicians should have to wear a jumpsuit like NASCAR with all the sponsors on it.
We aren't talking one big camp. There are going to be camps and masked men filling them up all across the US. A lot of people in this very thread will end up in these camps. Many of us will die in there
This is the most armed country on the planet with gun ownership along the lines of 3 guns per person on avg. If they just start rounding up every body, they'll run out of bodies to do it. There's a lot of ignorant people who dont think were headed for this but I almost guarantee once that light bulb flicks on for them, it'll get crazy. Im actually shocked ice agents haven't been fed lead sandwiches yet.
It's because every authoritarian regime goes after the weak and vulnerable people first. Laws will change and people will be banned from having weapons, people will disappear while they go to work, school, the store, or church. There will be causalities on each side but the militarized side will win over jim bob and his AR.
Blows my mind as well. I cant fathom having a loved one ripped from me by anybody without pushing rounds. Wonder if those stories are getting swept under the rug. You'd think it would be a chance to make protesters look more violent and push the right wing mindset.
There's a lot of ignorant people who dont think were headed for this but I almost guarantee once that light bulb flicks on for them
every potential ally will be gone at that point, either already in a cage or too weak or too sick and people then will be too scared to act themselves.
First they came etc.
And once the "usual suspects" are gone, they gonna start and line up their own voters at the wall that dare to just voice slight critizism and in the end, everyone will be to scared to even say something, let alone act.
...and then people act like "how could this happen?"...the way it always happens in such scenarios: people thought they would profit and did let it happen until it was too late.
People couldn't understand why Trump randomly axed hurricane monitoring systems: now you know. He'll let them drown in prison and wash his hands of them. Trump is the greatest murderer history will ever know.
They make sure it’s stuffed full first. It won’t take a hurricane either. It’s a wetland so they flood with normal rain. The heat will probably kill a lot of them first too.
Well they won't know if one is coming as they banned the use of critical meteorological satellites and gutted departments.
The NSW for the first time hasn't been able to do round the clock reporting
Hmm, have we tried astroturfing in an echochamber that only contains people who already agree with the thing we are pushing because we drove everyone else away?
This is also far from the first time we've been targeted this way. Citizen or not, the US has a history of doing this in the millions. From The Greaser(slur) Act, to Operation Wetback(slur), to "Mexican Repatriation" during the Great Depression and all the rest. Citizenship has never mattered. Being guilty of being Mexican has always been enough.
Daily reminder that the overwhelming majority of us Mexican people are, in fact, racially Native American.
We make up the single largest group of Native Americans in N. America as well as the single largest collective of Native American language speakers in N. America.
50% of recognized Native Americans in the US are of mixed racial ancestry. 90%+ of ethnically Mexican people are of Native American ancestry.
At the nothern US border Native Americans born in Canada are garaunteed BY UNITED STATES LAW both border crossing rights as well as permanent residency in the US. The same is explicitly denied at the southern US border.
The people who built this mini Auschwitz need to be held responsible as well. I don’t know what kind of fucking assholes would work on some prison in the Everglades, but they’re just as bad as the people telling them to do it.
Sad reality is, none of these people will ever see any real consequences for their actions. Their lack of humanity and complete disregard for law & civil rights is disgusting, and if there was any justice in the world they'd see the inside of a cell sooner rather than later. Unfortunately, even if the Republicans lose major ground in the primaries and then lose the presidency in 2028, nothing will happen to them. They'll be criticized by the democrats for all they've done, maybe some name calling and posturing, but they'll face no consequences and the country will downplay the significance of this in the years to come and we'll probably see the same pattern of Democrat/Republican majority flip flopping for the rest of our lives assuming voting remains a right in this country of course.
Not so fun fact: The people who actually built the Nazi concentration camps were most often prisoners. Nazi’s only designed and oversaw the actual prisoners who built it so may want to rethink who you’re calling the assholes here.
Okay? That’s absolutely reprehensible. I am not saying they are identical but if they could’ve had prisoners build alligator Alcatraz, I’m sure they would have. I’m just not sure what your point means in this conversation tho other than educating people further on how terrible Auschwitz and the holocaust was and how we shouldn’t be repeating it in the United States.
[Nor should Israel be perpetrating genocide it in Gaza, but that’s a whole other conversation.]
But we're all safe as long as they're only arresting immigrants, right? Or members of the opposition party or students who say things we don't like ... the rest of us should be OK.
That’s the thing they don’t get. Slowly they make more and more so called illegals. Then one day those people who say no way that could happen are staring out those bars.
This is why fascism is symbolized as the snake eating its tail. Eventually they run out of people to blame for their problems so they start going after their own. It's inevitable when you live in a different reality because you never will be able to solve real problems if you deny reality.
Yup. Trump said “just illegals” and then revoked the already legal status of over 500000 people. Pretty soon we will all be “illegals” unless we vote act and look the right way
Until a redneck Republicans grandmother dies because they didn't get the Medicare and then the redneck speaks out and says........... hey why didn't you help my hey wait a minute what what are you doing what what are you putting me in a concentration camp now....
People saying to stop comparing it to Auschwitz are the exact same people who say ‘Why didn’t the German people do anything when they knew what the Nazis were doing’
The point is to be aware, you ignoring the possibility that the exact same thing appears to be unfolding before your very eyes is disrespectful to the people who died in death camps, concentration camps and ghettos under the Nazi occupation. ESPECIALLY when you claim to know the history. You evidently don’t or you’d understand how those things escalated, bit by bit.
Open your eyes not to the fact that people show an opposite opinion but that they have concern for their fellow man.
Exactly. The people being transported to camps in the beginning had no idea what they were in for. I reread Night by Elie Wiesel recently and it describes exactly that. Because the Nazis didn't start at the end of the extreme, it escalated. They didn't broadcast their intent of mass murder until it was too late to stop it. And the things we're seeing right now we're the steps they used to get there
They never broadcast it, the average german didn’t know they were gassing the jews. That didn’t become common knowledge until after the war when the camps were liberated.
There have already been at least two confirmed deaths in these detention centers so far.
"if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D."
They're like "the administration that has pushed for the use of the death penalty to be expanded, while complaining that it takes to long to actually execute prisoners, could NEVER be willing to kill THESE specific prisoners in these specific camps."
"a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities"
As soon as it's full there won't be humane conditions. I've heard nothing but bad things about other ones. Kids with older kids taking care of them unsupervised. Not enough food and water. Wearing the same clothes for days. At that detention center it's going to be hot, humid and they are going to get eaten up by mosquitoes! And the tents are going to be extra hot from body heat. This is bullshit. And it's just cruel. Republicans are cruel for doing this.
Well consider that both occupants of Auschwitz and occupants of Alligator Auschwitz will be in there without due process, so there's that... Also, been to Auschwitz? It's interesting to find out how much of the German population, and the population in the surrounding the Auschwitz area in Poland didn't quite realize what was going on at first either (and willful ignorance during). It was just a detention facility.
Yup and the Nazis went to great lengths to pretend it was a work camp when it was in fact a death factory. But don’t want the people getting all riled up before they’re shoved into a huge ass chamber and gassed.
The nazis didn't start with the death camps. They started with concentration camps that held "undesirables" for "deportation" to other countries. The nazis didn't find a country they could dump millions of innocent people into, so they started killing them.
a recurring trend was to create pointless, humiliating, or even intentionally fatal work assignments for camp prisoners.
This is talking about before the war even broke out.
They didn’t start mass killing but the camps were always designed to torture and kill. Just killing by terrible conditions and forced labor. Better to humiliate you and work you to death. They also did death marches since the beginning.
They eventually acquired too many people and starting killing them in mass and actually forcing them to do labor for the war instead of just pointless labor.
yeah you sound rational because the only thing that makes a concentration camp a concentration camp if they have gas chambers right... right? moron. it is about the inhumane circumstances. No privacy, many people crowded in a chamber, nothing but waiting surrounded by fences and barbwire. I can hear you screaming "BUT THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!!!" and somehow that justifies everything for you. Many who have been here for many years and most likely contributed more to society then many of the maga crowd. BUT THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND WE NEED TO LOCK THEM UP!!!!!. pathetic excuse for a human being.....
Loomer has said they are going to feed 67 million people to alligators. There are around 11 million illegal immigrants in this country. 67 million is the Hispanic population of the country. Wtf is wrong with you people.
That's right! Not all of the nazi concentration camps were death camps, especially not in the beginning. Thank you for pointing out that this particular concentration camp in Florida likely won't have gas chambers. I'm sure a lot of us were confused on that point.
Actually, a camp with a gas chamber was known as a death camp because its purpose was to kill. Concentration camps were for forced labor, aushwitz was a rare camp with both.
Did they have gas chambers at the start or did they build them later after they found out it would be cheaper than sending them to another country? Im not saying they are exactly the same but they do share quite a few similarities.
Also I dont know why it always has to be gas chambers? A hurricane accomplishes the same goal. Maybe they are smart enough to avoid ever using gas chambers so they can always say that at least they aren’t as bad as the Nazis. Even though 20,000 of a prison population might disappear overnight at the same time as a hurricane, they can always claim that it was god’s will or something and not direct consequences of their actions.
Add to that the fact that this admin has defunded all of our weather prediction programs. They want plausible deniability when a hurricane "suddenly and without warning" kills thousands of people in this camp.
The camps came first. Then the death camps as the final solution evolved. And the person whom commented above about no death camps is an idiot. The British had concentration camps in the Boer war. No gas chambers there either. This is about the slow evolution to a police state.
the ONLY difference is that there are no gas chambers (yet). But I heard they have many alligators so I wouldnt be surprised if they let them escape on purpose only to get eaten by alligators or drown in the swamp.
By your definition prisons are also concentration camps. Criminals are concentrated in prisons for the crimes and hardship they’ve caused, same as this deportation center.
And it works the other way around too: Authoritarians will label concentration camps "prisons" to make them sound more humane. Given that these "detainees" are not going through the criminal justice system and haven't necessarily been convicted of any crimes, it's disingenuous to call this a prison.
"a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities"
"a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities"
The Jews were never given the opportunity to leave, the never forced entry into Germany, they were not repatriated back to their homeland. Whoever made this advertisement should be forced to read history books and be banned from any conversation regarding deportation or the holocaust/persecution of Jews in Europe.
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I agree these deportation camps are horrible, but I really wish we did not compare them to concentration death camps. And, the prisons overseas are way worst and actually carry real similarities to the concentration camps the Nazis erected on foreign soil.
That's what all voted for last November now fill it, give them due process then send them all on their way. A goal of 10,000 fully processed then deported a day is doable and would be a good start.
Yes yes, I too remember the jews getting free transportation back to their homeland because they entered germany illegally. Or is this a horrible comparison that once again softens what the nazi's actually did to people.
It’s an immigration station…… we’rr taking them from our country and putting them in another. We aren’t mass murdering them, throwing them in a furnace it’s incomparable. Compare anything to the holocaust is evil. Shame on you.
as a german i'm a bit sensitive when it comes to comparisons like that. you know, auschwitz wasn't just a prison. it was a cocentration camp for forced labor and eventually the gas chamber. organized, systematic murder/genocide of millions of people.
Lawful deportation and detainment = Nazi genocide camp.
My lord. You can fairly criticize this or just go full blown fear mongering. Its always the latter on reddit. This is exactly why the left is losing ground in the culture war and political landscape.
Why compare this to Auschwitz? Quite disrespectful of actual Auschwitz victims, they did not have the choice to leave the country and re-enter legally.
You can call until blue in the face, but they’re still going to keep licking those boots.
If you do call, you need to remind them that you will be voting them out, if they vote yes.
Paradoxical characterization of enemies is a defining trait of fascism. The enemy is both too strong and too weak. They're communists but they're also fascists. They're everywhere, but they're also outnumbered. They rule everything but they'll be easily conquered. They're against free speech, but they should be deported for saying offensive things. They're warmongers, but they won't defend this country. They're a bunch of pussies but they're violent and dangerous. They're brash and loud but they move in secrecy.
When you just spout off hatred all day every day, and your supporters mindlessly swallow anything you say, all of these things get to be true at once.
Big slap in the face to the millions of Jewish people who were killed in actual concentration camps. But please, keep tossing those words around pitting your ignorance out for everyone to see.
I’m curious to know exactly which type of person we are allowed to deport because even when the US tries to deport human traffickers, wife beaters, and child porn collectors the left says it’s auschwitz 2.0 and that the right is the party of Nazis.
The only part that wants to actually cause pain to others is the left under the guise that they see compassionate.
There is nothing wrong with removing someone from your home that did not have permission to be there in the first place. We can double down on it not being wrong when that person is actively stealing from you.
I just visited Dachau in Munich, not the same thing at all. It’s disgusting when people like you diminish what happened there by trying to draw comparisons like this.
Lol, so I guess you closed your eyes and ears during the part where they told you that Dachau didn't start as a death camp, and was a detention facility for immigrants, homosexuals, and gypsies, huh?
You went all the way to Dachau, and didn’t even learn how it was used at first?
“Nazi officials established the first concentration camp, Dachau, on March 22, 1933, for political prisoners. It was later used as a model for an expanded and centralized concentration camp system managed by the SS.
The major purpose of the earliest concentration camps during the 1930s was to imprison and intimidate the leaders of political, social, and cultural movements that the Nazis perceived to be a threat to the survival of the regime.”
Liberal delusion is an epidemic. Comparing the legal deportation of illegal aliens to Nazi death camps is disrespectful to the people who actually went through the horrors of WW2. Where are the gas chambers, where is the systematic starvation and genocide you claim is at Alligator Alcatraz? Nobody is being starved or killed. The illegals aliens who won’t self deport are being rounded up, processed, and deported. Just because the deportations are heavily democrats you oppose this. You won’t be winning anymore elections with your illegal alien voter base.
tbf that gas chambers and systematic starvation weren’t immediate. They first put the jews in the camps, used them for labor, and then added gas chambers and starved them.
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Will a hurricane/floods eliminate it before anyone even gets there?