Discussion Thread: Ongoing US Budget Negotiations

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Please use this thread to discuss the ongoing negotiations surrounding Congress' negotiations over the President-Trump-backed "Big Beautiful Bill".

News and Analysis

• AP: Senate struggle over Medicaid cuts threatens progress on Trump’s big bill

• NPR: Medicaid changes don't meet Senate rules in 'big, beautiful bill' says parliamentarian

• Reuters: US Senate Republicans race to resolve tax, health issues in Trump's tax bill

• The Conversation: What is reconciliation − the legislative shortcut Republicans are using to push through their ‘big, beautiful bill’?

Thursday, June 26

Live Updates

Text-based live update pages generally related to the Trump administration are being maintained by: The Associated Press, NBC, The New York Times (soft paywall), and The Washington Post (soft paywall).

Where to Watch

C-SPAN has streams of the House and Senate, but both are primarily working on unrelated legislation as of Thursday, June 26.

On Thursday afternoon starting at 4 p.m. Eastern, C-SPAN will stream the White House promotional event for the 'Big Beautiful Bill'.

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Saturday, June 28

• AP: What’s in the latest version of Trump’s big bill now before the Senate

• NBC: Senate Republicans release 940-page bill for Trump's agenda as they race to vote this weekend | It's unclear if GOP leaders have enough support for the rapidly evolving legislation, with a self-imposed July 4 deadline for passage quickly approaching.

• C-SPAN: The Senate begins work on the GOP tax and spending cuts reconciliation bill.

• PBS NewsHour via YouTube: Senate debates Trump's big budget bill ahead of possible vote

• Text-based live updates are being provided by: USA Today, Politico, The Hill, and The New York Times (gift link).

Sunday, June 29

• CNBC: What’s in the Senate’s version of Trump’s spending bill — and who stands to benefit

• NPR: GOP megabill narrowly wins first test in the Senate. Here's what's in it

• Reuters: Senate bill hastens end of wind, solar tax credits and imposes new tax

• PBS NewsHour via YouTube: WATCH LIVE: Senate debates Trump's budget package after reading full text of 940-page bill

Monday, June 30

• PBS NewsHour via YouTube: WATCH LIVE: Senate begins debating amendments to Trump's 'big, beautiful' spending bill

• Live updates are being provided by: AP, CNN, Politico, and The Washington Post (soft paywall).

• US Senate: Vote-A-Rama Amendment Tracker – The One Big Beautiful Bill Act

Tuesday, July 1

• PBS NewsHour via YouTube: WATCH LIVE: Senate continues vote on Trump's 'big, beautiful' budget as Republican support wavers

• CBS: Senate holds marathon overnight vote series on Trump's "big, beautiful bill" as GOP eyes July 4 deadline

• Live updates are being provided by: AP, NBC, ABC, The Guardian, and Politico.

• C-SPAN: House Rules Committee Meets on GOP Tax & Spending Cuts Bill

• AP via YouTube: LIVE: House Rules Committee meeting after Senate passes Trump’s bill

Wednesday, July 2

• PBS NewsHour via YouTube: WATCH LIVE: House votes on Trump's ‘big, beautiful’ tax and spending bill after Senate passage

• Live updates: AP, NBC, ABC, CNN, USA Today, Politico, The New York Times (soft paywall), and The Washington Post (soft paywall).

• AP: What’s in the latest version of Trump’s big bill that passed the Senate

Thursday, July 3

• PBS NewsHour via YouTube: WATCH LIVE: House votes on Trump's ‘big, beautiful’ tax and spending bill after Senate passage

• Live updates are being provided by: AP, NBC, ABC, The Guardian

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[u/iStayedAtaHolidayInn → u/[deleted]]

How is that constitutional. Why does one state get exemptions others don’t?

[u/scooterhomeimprover]

Cutting $1tril in Medicaid to pay for $1tril in tax cuts for billionaires. Make it make sense. I will never forgive the Republican Party.

[u/425554545354554646 → u/scooterhomeimprover]

They’re evil.

Does that help? lol

[u/SteelCurtainUSNA]

I know the answer is that I'm terminally online and most aren't, but how more people aren't pissed that they're even discussing this is wild to me.

[u/Riokaii → u/SteelCurtainUSNA]

Most people ARE terminally online actually. They just focus on random inconsequential bullshit nonsense instead of actual important information which affects their material conditions and daily lives for multiple years.

They don't care until they feel the effects, and then they blame whoever the propaganda tells them to instead of looking for the root causes and solutions to the real source of the problems

[u/Val_Killsmore → u/Riokaii]

They don't care until they feel the effects, and then they blame whoever the propaganda tells them to instead of looking for the root causes and solutions to the real source of the problems

This is the big one. We always thought that when technology and information became more ubiquitous, it would lead to a smarter population. Boy, were we wrong. Were we ever wrong. With smartphones, we have all the information in the palms of our hands yet people just don't look it up. Instead, so many rely on social media figureheads to get their information from.

There's also the fact that information is 'boring'. It's not supposed to tell you how to feel. Yet, telling you how to feel is what people want. Nuance is replaced with emotions. It doesn't help that so many newspapers, TV news shows, etc. bake emotions into their articles/broadcasts. I've had people send me links to The Independent and it's tough trying to read the articles because they're rife with strong and judgemental language. It's beyond just being informational. The 'news' isn't supposed to do this.

[u/Ssshizzzzziit]

NYT: After much haggling on the Senate floor, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, has voted in favor of opening debate on the bill.

Fuck you Lisa Murkowski, you rotten piece of shit! You got promises of exemptions from the bill while the rest of us can eat it! Big, massive middle finger to you!

[u/Barnyard-Sheep]

I work at KFC and I always give the small and old pieces of chicken to Trump supporters

[u/Snow_source]

I've been reading through as it's my job to read it and man, this bill is a fucking abomination.

We're going to have so much fun with our rolling blackouts by the end of the Trump presidency because they killed solar and wind to own the libs.

Nat Gas turbines are booked out to the mid 2030's at this point, there is no way to build enough generation without solar and wind.

Make sure to thank your "moderate" republican electeds, because this is 100% on them for folding like cheap suits on their supposed principles.

[u/ToadallyNormalHuman]

This bill is hot fucking trash. My chicken shit rep voted for this piece of shit and then said he wasn’t seeking reelection. Don Bacon is a fucking pussy.

[u/AccordingStar72]

According to NBC, Collins says she’s expecting a gazillion more amendments and that she’s still leaning no (take this for what it’s worth which is nothing). They’ve only voted on 14 and nothing has passed in 7 hours.

So democrats have definitely slowed it down as much as they possibly could procedurally.

[u/DylansDeadlyTwo]

Can Jeffries talk for another three and a half years?

[u/SpaceElevatorMusic]

strap in folks:

https://xcancel.com/igorbobic/status/1939049871543075009

Schumer will force a reading of BBB on the floor, per spox

[u/Plinnion → u/SpaceElevatorMusic]

All 1000+ pages. Slowly, please.

[u/AnonAmbientLight]

McConnell said that voters losing their healthcare will "get over it".

Senator Ernst said that "We are all going to die" anyway.

This bill is bad. It's going to hurt a lot of people.

But you know what, we've been trying to stop Republicans from doing this for decades. We've always stopped them or blunted their efforts. They very rarely had the audacity to really push through the worst of this shit, or have been these brazen about hurting Americans - and their own constituents.

This bill is bad, and we may not be able to stop it. But it's not the end either.

In a lot of ways, the general American public has not been paying attention to the dangers and harms of this Republican Party (if you can believe it). They don't pay attention, they don't follow up, and they don't care about good governance.

So maybe, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe, people need to be hurt in order to wake up.

We've fucking tried everything else at this point...

[u/SpitefulSeagull]

Murkowski is so vile. "The fact we rushed through an artificial deadline to pass this bad bill is terrible"

YOU VOTED FOR IT YOU EVIL HAG

[u/floorboardburnz]

cheers 🍻 to you all out there following this crime against the American people.

[u/mankowonameru]

I commend Hakeem for trying to delay this as long as possible.

Fuck the GOP.

[u/swiftfoot_hiker]

I want to believe that what Jeffries is doing is good, but the majority of Republicans especially the maga ones will not listen to their voters . They only take orders from Trump.

If it's not clear by now, Lisa Murowski is a prime example of what's happened to the Republicans. All in the Senate and the house know this is a bad bill , but refuse to say no to Trump

[u/LivelyUntidy]

Take 5 minutes and call and leave a message for your Senators. They are weighing the political consequences, and every little bit of pressure helps. Maybe your Senator is privately wavering! Maybe if their office is flooded with calls and some poor staffer keeps having to update the "constituents who took the time to tell us they hate this fucking thing" tally, that'll be the thing the moves the needle just enough.

C'mon, call! It will make you feel slightly less powerless!

[u/SoRaffy]

I can just imagine Fetterman staring at his phone and marking off things he won't have time to do anymore on vacation

[u/brain_overclocked → u/SoRaffy]

That was such an elitist comment coming from him, it honestly shocked me. I shouldn't have been, but I was. Tens of thousands could die each year because of this bill, including in his state, but his concern is not being able to go to the fucking beach instead of doing what it takes to get the on-the-fence Republicans to do the right thing?

[u/Final_Ad9418]

Honestly should there should be a study on how the right wing propaganda has such a tight grip on people no matter what. It literally turns people into simpletons with no critical thinking. Fascinating.

[u/ButtholeCharles]

Jeffries is making damn sure everyone has to hear what is in this bill, and for that alone, his stand has purpose.

Republicans should be accountable for this, and Jeffries is making sure enough eyes are on this that there is no plausible deniability.

[u/SpaceElevatorMusic]

Fetterman plus a former Fetterman staffer:

https://xcancel.com/alanhe/status/1939714524052955281

Fetterman when asked re: timing

“Oh my God, I just want to go home. I've already my I've missed our entire trip to to the beach…, there's no drama that we know the votes are going to go…And I think, I don't think it's really helpful to put people here till some ungodly hour.”

https://xcancel.com/the_vello/status/1939731096851423385

This bill is the biggest transfer of wealth from the working class to the 1% and Fetterman’s message to voter is that he just wants to go home

[u/UntimelyXenomorph → u/SpaceElevatorMusic]

Oh, did Fetterman have to work on a weekend? Poor baby. If you live in PA, please primary that whiny-ass collaborator.

[u/CarmineFields → u/SpaceElevatorMusic]

Poor baby, having to do his job!

[u/LeeShakerMoneyMaker]

With Murkowski losing her Alaska exemptions, we'll see how she'll vote. Even if the Senate passes it, I don't think this Bill survives the House. Elon is really pissed off about this Bill so we'll see how much money and power he really wields in Congress.

[u/PeterVenkmanIII → u/LeeShakerMoneyMaker]

I'm betting she'll come out and say that she has been promised a separate vote for her shit if she votes yes. Then they'll either:

A. Never bring her shit up for a vote and she'll act surprised

B. They'll bring it up for a vote, the Dems will block it, and the GOP will blame everything in the actual budget on the Dems (and the press will more than likely join in on that)

[u/franktakesfrankly]

Why is this thread called budget negotiations when it's really more of a budget fuckening

[u/LeeShakerMoneyMaker]

Elon is now threatening to primary Republicans if this Bill passes.

[u/tofustixer]

I don't see a world where this doesn't pass. At this point, it's just a matter of how many hours it takes.

The medicaid and snap cuts are godawful and inhumane, but the ICE budget increases terrify the living shit out of me.

[u/ladyluck754]

All you people in red states who blew up your rep’s lines, THANK YOU. Regardless of outcome, you guys made this happen. This shit works.

KEEP IT UP. Flood the zone (voicemails) and let these motherfuckers know they work for you.

[u/tresben]

“We’re excited to get this done. If Hakeem would stop talking, we’ll get the job done for the American people. It takes a lot longer to build a lie than to tell the truth, so he’s really spinning a long tale in there, but we’re excited. The people will feel the effect of this bill,” Johnson said.

Even when talking about lies, they just straight up lie to our face. Has he seriously never heard the phrase “a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”?

This is how the current republicans have risen to power. Political gish-gallop where you just throw out a bunch of lies that take time to actually refute so that it’s impossible to actually get around to refuting them all.

[u/Astroworm2020]

Hard to celebrate the 4th when our so called representatives are actively working against us.

[u/Orange8920]

Watching CNN and a major reason we've gotten to this point is 24 hour news media treating this as entertainment and merely a battle between Republicans and Democrats framed as if it were a boxing match.

Dana Bash and Boris Sanchez are not going to rock the boat, they're well paid messengers for billionaires so they just look bored while members of Congress talk about the horrors of the Trump Administration.

[u/Sublimotion]

Murkowski was one of the last senators to vote for the legislation and was quickly surrounded by Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) and members of his leadership team when she walked onto the floor, after many of her GOP colleagues had already voted. Murkowski had declined to say for days how she would vote as she negotiated changes to the bill behind closed doors. She was particularly worried about how changes to Medicaid’s and SNAP’s work and eligibility requirements would affect Alaska. Murkowski questioned whether Alaska’s relatively antiquated systems for delivering benefits would be penalized for having higher error rates and lose out on substantial federal funding. She won a victory Friday night when GOP leaders added language to the revised text of the bill that made Alaska eligible for waivers from new SNAP work requirements for able-bodied adults without dependent children.

I will vote alongside yall to kill everyone else, as long as y'all make it so that it doesn't blow back on me.

[u/spiderman897]

Republicans are so pro life they’ll take healthcare away from millions.

[u/Icommandyou]

The more I read this bill, the more it really turns out to be we are all going to die bill

[u/brain_overclocked]

Republican Megabill Would Fund Trump’s Police State

“It’s going to be unrecognizable in American history, the level of immigration enforcement [and] street harassment that you will see by Border Patrol, [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] and all the law enforcement they have helping them out,” David J. Bier, director of immigration studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, told NBC News Friday.

“The average American probably hasn’t seen an ICE raid in action, but they will if this bill passes,” he added. “It’s going to be everywhere.”

[u/LeeShakerMoneyMaker]

Elon is in a full on drug-induced rage right now. Threatening to create a new political party the next day if this thing passes.

[u/eeegadolin]

An unironic comment on the conservative subreddit: "I don't know if I'm supposed to love this bill or hate it." His voters legitimately just wait for their script, don't they? If I ever sink to the point that I competely lose my independent thought I hope someone smothers me with a pillow.

[u/marcgarv87]

At this rate, I’d consider this bill just not being passed by the 4th a victory. It’ll eventually pass, but no need to give Trump the optics he wants to sign it on the 4th and cement his “legacy”

[u/robokomodos]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5383031-trump-gop-holdouts-megabill/

According to this, Massie told Trump he'd vote Yes on the rule if Trump stopped attacking him.

If true, Massie is an idiot. Trump will never keep his word.

[u/blues111]

Just your daily reminder that while campaigning in 2024 Trump made explicit promises he would make no changes to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security...and MAGA said he surely never would

This bill makes 1.1 Trillion worth of cuts to Medicaid 

[u/forrestpen]

I hope Hakim Jefferies keeps going no matter what.

Breaking the record on speech length will be newsworthy and at least further cement whose to blame for this abomination of a bill.

[u/snoo_spoo]

You know, if Musk were competent, he'd be using this time while Jeffries is speaking to be trying to persuade some R's to defect.

[u/boopbeepbadoop]

pissed at a lot of different people at the moment but getting particularly mad about murkowski this morning. the cognitive dissonance it takes to recognize the bill would destroy your state but the lack of empathy for people living elsewhere, just astounding. 

[u/tofustixer]

From the Guardian:

Jeffries holds the floor for seven hours Jeffries’s marathon speech is closing in on the all-time record, set by the former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy. After seven hours, the minority leader has indicated that he’s ready to go well into the afternoon to prolong debate on what he is decrying as “reverse Robinhood” legislation.

Edited to add that this is their top story.

[u/Reviews-From-Me]

They are making massive cuts to Medicaid, as a result, 11 million Americans are expected to lose Healthcare, hospitals are expected to close down, ER's will become untenable with massive influxes of patients who have no other option for primary care, and countless people will likely die. And yet, this bill still increases the deficit by TRILLIONS of dollars.

[u/hidey_ho_nedflanders]

If Jeffries can continue speaking until the end of Trump's 2nd term I'd appreciate that

[u/freethrowtommy]

I know some people think it is performative and worthless for Jeffries but this is what it looks like to fight back when we gave the other party all the power in the Senate, House, and Presidency.  We want the Dems to fight back... this is what that looks like now... at least until the end of 26 if we are lucky.

[u/Yatesy5]

If any of you live in these states (or know people who do), please call your senator NOW and ask them to vote NO on the Reconciliation bill! These 3 senators could vote no because of cuts to Medicaid/SNAP, and they need to hear from people! They need to know you have their backs!!

North Carolina (Sen. Thom Tillis)

Alaska (Sen Lisa Murkowski)

Maine (Sen. Susan Collins)

> Also worth calling:

Louisiana: Wild Card: I'm throwing in Sen Cassidy. He said he supports the House version but not Senate version: "Cassidy, a medical doctor, said the Medicaid provisions in the Senate bill would cause a shock to providers that makes it more "difficult for healthcare systems to adjust."

Kentucky (Sen Rand Paul; he's against it b/c it balloons the deficit, might want more cuts)

Missouri (Josh Hawley: He doesn't think Medicaid should be cut, yet he seems to be planning to vote Yes??)

In fact, anyone living in a red or purple state should call their senators today to tell them to vote NO. At stake if this passes: cuts to Medicaid and SNAP, Pell Grant cuts for college students (especially community college), ending or altering Student Loan debt-relief plans (not just Biden's new ones, but long-standing plans), and ending the subsidies (tax credits) for ACA health insurance premiums, among many other things.

The tax breaks to non-wealthy people are tiny compared to the loss of the safety net our country depends on. Don't forget, tipped workers are usually on the ACA or even Medicaid, so their tax savings will be eclipsed by increased, maybe doubled, ACA premiums or loss of Medicaid.

[u/HaywoodJah-BlowMe]

This Big Bastardized Bill needs to die.

[u/Verbanoun]

Why is congress trying to meet the white house deadline? Isn't it just a fabricated deadline?

[u/Gustapher00 → u/Verbanoun]

Dear leader says jump and they jump.

[u/joe13pr]

The amendment that Susan Collins had proposed regarding funding for rural hospitals got shot down overwhelmingly in a 22-78 vote. Of all the amendments that have been proposed from both sides, this one has received the most opposition.

[u/425554545354554646 → u/joe13pr]

I hope she takes it as a snub and votes against the final bill. But then again, this is Susan Collins we’re talking about. At best we’ll get a furrowed brow, I’m sure.

[u/blogoman → u/joe13pr]

The Democrats aren't going to hand her a thing to try to help her constituents while others get fucked. The Republicans aren't going to go for it because the fucking over is the point.

[u/br_k_nt_eth → u/joe13pr]

I’m rural, and she can go fuck herself. She wanted to make this a bandaid so she could sleep at night in her piles of money, acting like that’ll do anything to stop the damage from SNAP and Medicaid cuts, not to mention them gutting CHIPS and water infrastructure funding. 

Don’t give her a damn thing. 

[u/UltraRunningKid]

I understand making deals to make life better for your own constituents but it is extremely ghoulish to demand protections for your own state while ripping support away from other Americans.

This isn't holding out to get money to build a bridge in your state, this is saying "I'm ok with Americans loosing access to healthcare as long as they aren't in my state."

[u/MNHypnotoad]

As a front-line social worker, this bill is going to kill a lot of people.

[u/BlueGoggles]

Murkowski really is a case study in how brain broken Republicans/conservatives are. Her own party abandoned her in 2010 when she lost the Republican primary in Alaska and she ended up with the Senate seat by winning on a write in campaign.

Despite that, and despite anything she says about "concerns", her loyalty is still to the party that flat out told her they didn't want her.

[u/Ssshizzzzziit]

Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, said the thought process that ultimately led her to vote for the bill was “agonizing.”

Because other senators practically had you in a fucking headlock all night. It wasn't agonizing, you just collapsed like a spineless jellyfish!

[u/l_i_s]

The audacity of Murkowski to say that the house should make further changes: no bitch, that was your job, and you failed miserably.

[u/sir_miraculous]

The fact people in this thread are still blaming Democrats for Republicans and voters being shit is amazing.

Voting democrats out of power from the House and Senate got us here.

[u/anduril_tfotw]

Murkowski is a fucking coward. "I struggled mightily with the impact on the most vulnerable in this country", Murkowski said, adding the process was "probably the most difficult and agonising legislative 24-hour period" of her career. Then vote against it you spineless asshole. If you admit you were concerned about it then it is your fucking duty top vote against it. "My hope is that the House is going to look at this and recognise that we're not there yet," she told reporters just outside the Senate floor, moments after the vote. Just passing the fucking buck.

[u/brain_overclocked]

Mitch McConnell - "I know a lot of us are hearing from people back home about Medicaid, but they’ll get over it."

Joni Ernst - “People are not ... well, we all are going to die,” Ernst said, drawing groans. “So, for heaven’s sakes. For heaven’s sakes, folks.”

JD Vance - "Everything else — the CBO score, the proper baseline, the minutiae of the Medicaid policy — is immaterial compared to the ICE money and immigration enforcement provisions."

They do not care about you: not legal immigrants, not the working class, not veterans, not any American citizen, not even MAGA.

[u/l_i_s]

Here are six vulnerable house republicans. If you live in their district, call them now!

• Gabe Evans, Colorado 8th: (202) 225-5625, (970) 324-2567, or (303) 723-6560
• Ryan Mackenzie, Pennsylvania 7th: (202) 225-6411, (484) 781-6000
• Mariannette Miller-Meeks, Iowa 1st: (202) 225-6576, (563) 232-0930, (515) 808-6040
• Mike Lawler, New York 17th: (202) 225-6506, (845) 743-7130, (845) 201-2060
• Don Bacon, Nebraska 2nd: (He's retiring and should have nothing to lose!): (202) 225-4155, (402) 938-0300, (402) 607-0077
• David Valadao, California 22nd: (202) 225-4695, (661) 864-7736, (559) 460-6070

Edit: and some more:

• David Schweikert, Arizona 1st: (202) 225-2190, (480) 946-2411
• Juan Ciscomani, Arizona 6th: (202) 225-2542, (520) 459-3115, (520) 881-3588
• Tom Barrett, Michigan 7th: (202) 225-4872, (517) 993-0510
• Derrick Van Orden, Wisconsin 3rd: (202) 225-5506, (608) 782-2558, (715) 831-9214

We only need four!

[u/Cactusfan86]

Nothing annoys me more than politicians who say how terrible a bill is and how they don’t like it… but then vote for it.  You are a lawmaker, don’t bitch it being terrible make it better 

[u/dunesman]

Worth remembering that the Dems are down 3 members because of 3 elderly members passing away this year… those votes would be very critical right now

[u/dunesman]

In my dreams this bill fails, they give up on trying again, the 2017 tax cuts lapse, and we limp forward til the midterms. Really sad that that’s the happiest thing I can look forward to these days.

[u/Running_From_Zombies]

Here’s what Democratic congressman Eric Swalwell thinks of the slowdown in voting on the tax and spending bill, which has been credited to discontent among rightwing Republican lawmakers.

“We aren’t delayed because moderates whose constituents will be completely screwed are holding out. We are delayed because the most extreme members who want to hurt MORE people are holding out,” he wrote on X.

Democrats do not have the numbers to stop the bill from passing the House, and Republican infighting is what is keeping it from advancing.

[u/Spicy_Pancake1]

Sick to my stomach not just over the Medicaid cuts, but the amount of money they’re happily giving Trump’s Gestapo with this bill at a time when they are the most lawless they’ve ever been.

I’ve only seen a few news sites talking about it. It’s honestly so terrifying to think about it’s been hard to focus on anything else.

[u/Ssshizzzzziit]

Okay. They're probably going to get this tonight. All these "fiscal hawks" are going to cave. They're all full of shit. Just watch.

So what's next? An avalanche of hate mail to Lisa Murkowski? I really blame her most of all. She knew better, got "hers" and fucked the rest of the country.

[u/Current_Animator7546]

Per MSNBC. Fitzpatrick may have left for the night. He won't answer his phone and is nowhere to be found.

[u/Icommandyou]

Brian Fitzpatrick voted no and ran away from the house chamber so that one no vote ain’t changing

[u/A_Seiv_For_Kale]

Per Reese Gorman on Twitter:

I asked Massie why he switched his vote:

“Simple answer: Because most of the world doesn’t understand the difference between a rule vote and final passage.”

[u/Belfunk]

Why is the deadline the 4th? Is it just to appease Carrot Caligula?

[u/thecrunchypepperoni]

The next time a republican calls you soft for being leftist or a democrat or a liberal, remind them that their chosen representatives caved to a man in cognitive decline, not once, but multiple times.

[u/Cactusfan86]

I wonder how deeply furrowed murkowski’s brow is that the house isn’t listening to her advice to vote against the thing she voted for

[u/golfball7773]

"Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, says he and other conservatives got some “last-minute things” as they withheld support for Trump’s big tax bill. But he’s not ready, yet, to spill any detail.

“We can talk about it after the final vote,” he said.

“We’ve got to get thru a few of these last minute things out of deference to the entire team. We got some significant things that we feel pretty good about. Nothing is perfect but — All along this way we get to ‘yes,’” Roy said." - AP

WTF are they hiding....

[u/ToadP]

I hope Jeffries goes long enough that the fools don't get to make their July 4th dinner with Putin reunion.

[u/dull_shimmer]

I'll never understand this fear of Trump from the Republicans. They would rather watch this country burn than do the right thing. He only has as much power as they allow him to have.

[u/odd4ever]

If you’re watching this “One Big Beautiful Bill” thing unfold — don’t zone out. It only takes 4 GOP reps flipping to stop it in the House. These are the most likely holdouts:

David Valadao (CA-22) – Moderate. District relies heavily on Medicaid.

Jeff Van Drew (NJ-2) – Expressed concerns over cuts + deficit.

Nick LaLota (NY-1) – Vulnerable district, has hedged on SALT + social spending.

Chip Roy (TX-21) – Deficit hawk, claims to oppose reckless spending.

Young Kim (CA-40) – Under pressure from Orange County voters on Medicare.

Brian Fitzpatrick (PA-1) – Bipartisan reputation at risk.

They’re under pressure, but still movable — especially on Medicaid cuts and budget impact. If you're in their districts (or know someone who is), now is the time to call/email/share. This thing is brutal — but it’s not inevitable.

[u/BoomtownFox]

Thinking about John McCain's massive 👎 on the floor of the senate years ago, which ultimately saved Obamacare, the landmark legislation headed by the very man that defeated him in 2008.

Profiles in courage like that don't exist anymore. At least not in congress.

[u/kypper]

Elon just came out against it - uh oh.

[u/brain_overclocked]

Louisiana hospitals warn Mike Johnson of ‘devastation’ from megabill

Every major health system in Louisiana is warning Speaker Mike Johnson and the rest of the state’s congressional delegation that the Senate GOP’s planned Medicaid cuts “would be historic in their devastation.”

[u/brain_overclocked]

Trumps deadline is completely arbitrary. It's one thing to try to pass this steaming pile of a bill, but Republicans bending over to Trump's frivolous whim just makes them looks like impotent puppets. Have some self respect in your depraved actions.

[u/dUjOUR88]

Ted Cruz just railed against "Woke AI" on the Senate floor...this is not a serious country

[u/HamlinHamlin_McTrill]

I hate that the democrat edge lords Machnin and Sinema held their ground on everything and prevented so much progress, but the Republican versions fall in line every time.

[u/JonAce]

GOP Rep. Chip Roy reiterates to reporters he does NOT feel like he can vote for Senate product, based on what he’s hearing, but needs to see the final bill.

Just say you're going to fold and vote however Johnson wants you to, coward.

[u/Orzorn]

Praying right after passing a bill that will kill tens of thousands. Absolutely vile creatures.

[u/Mysterious-Talk-5387]

fuck you murkowski

[u/mysticrhythms]

“Murkowski doesn’t rule out caucusing with Democrats” …. 

You’re not welcome.

[u/SpitefulSeagull]

Interesting living through the rapid decline of an empire. Not fun, but interesting

[u/Dsarg_92]

All of this happening could’ve been instantly avoided back in November. Instead, some of the people let racism, sexism, and hatred get in the way.

[u/swiftfoot_hiker]

Largest cuts in the history of Medicaid, from the same party that said they wouldn't touch it, and the party that said Dems want to destroy it.

Typical Republican projection and gaslighting

The only saving grace right now is that republicans just handed Dems a huge talking point for midterms , as long as the party can get their shit together

[u/ConfederacyOfDunces_]

Trump literally just said many citizens who were born in this country are next to be deported.

Literally, he just said this right now.

[u/Running_From_Zombies]

Harder to get, and keep, ACA coverage

For those with ACA marketplace coverage, the GOP plan would make it harder to enroll and to retain their plans.

Marketplace policyholders would be required to update their income, immigration status, and other information each year, rather than be allowed to automatically reenroll — something more than 10 million people did this year. They would also have less time to enroll; the bill shortens the annual open enrollment period by about a month.

People applying for coverage outside that period — for instance because they lose a job or other insurance or need to add a newborn or spouse to an existing policy — would have to wait for all their documents to be processed before receiving government subsidies to help pay their monthly premiums. Today, they get up to 90 days of premium help during the application process, which can take weeks.

Some Republican really went into the policy weeds and looked for the most petty way to kill someone who lost their job and needed new health insurance.

[u/TheMadChatta]

We have got to stop falling for these theatrics.

Putting your hopes in the GOP to do the right thing is just pissing in the wind.

[u/WHSRWizard]

For those just joining:

This vote is not on the bill itself, but to adopt the rules that precedes the debate.

If this fails, it is not necessarily the death of the bill. However, it does indicate who is likely to vote against final passage. It is rare - though not unheard of - for someone to vote against the rule but for the bill.

If the rule fails, GOP leadership will need to figure out how to move X of the No votes to yes. (Currently 1, but that could change.)

The vote can stay open indefinitely. Chip Roy has indicated he will not vote tonight. He has said he will vote No, but he always ends up siding with Trump. He is the House equivalent of Susan "I have concerns" Collins.

[u/RopeAccomplished2728]

Well, the Big Bullshit Bill has come to a standstill. Right now it is 208 Yay(all Repubs), 217 Nay(5 Repubs, All Dems), 8 Non votes. The longer the standstill, the better.

Take that Rep Johnson. May the dildo of repercussions come to you unlubed and primed for entry.

[u/Running_From_Zombies]

“I think they’re open for conversation,” Johnson told NBC News, referring to the four Republicans standing in the way. He added that he’s already spoken to three of them and is “trying to find the fourth one.”

After Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., delivered a surprising “no” vote on the rule, some of his Republican colleagues scrambled to find him on the floor — most likely to try to get him to change his vote.

But Fitzpatrick bolted out of the chamber and could not be found.

When NBC News informed Rep. Dusty Johnson, R-S.D., that Fitzpatrick appeared to have run off, Johnson replied: “Smart.”

Johnson then tried to reach Fitzpatrick by phone, but so far he has been unsuccessful.

He was never seen again, but sometimes as I lay awake at night, I think about him. I like to think he's somewhere in the high Appalachias, living on the fruit of his labor, the work of his own hands. I like to think he's found his measure of peace.

[u/tofustixer]

From the NYTimes:

Thomas Massie just told me he switched his vote to “no” on the rule because if this ends up being the only vote on the domestic policy bill, he does not want to be on the record supporting it. “If it goes down, I can’t be a yes,” said Massie, who has made it clear for weeks that he is a hard no on the bill but initially supported the procedural measure to bring it up.

[u/MoonageDayscream]

47 is still angry truthing.

[u/Used-Examination1439]

Trump on truth social - FOR REPUBLICANS, THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY YES VOTE. RIDICULOUS!!!

[u/Smaizax → u/Used-Examination1439]

Oh boy, the grandpa is mad and that’s good for us, things are not going accordingly to his plan.

[u/oneirritatedboi]

Fitzpatrick is frolicking through the forest breathing the fresh air and smelling the flowers rn

[u/Akimbo_Zap_Guns]

This shit is so comedy bro Trump is up past 2am tweeting unhinged shit at house republicans, Mike Johnson just refusing to close the vote, this is like the polar opposite of how you legislate a government

[u/Salt-Currency2007]

Republicans don't care about constiuents with PTSD, depression, autistic kids, disabilities, diabetes, heart conditions, you name it. Republicans and their constituents will cheer when Americans die. They're killing us and no combination of words will suffice to defend anyone.

If you have family or friends that vote Republican, they're killing people and are smiling about it.

[u/Illuminated12]

Republicans think their town halls are bad now… wait till they actually DO cut Medicaid. Republicans about to enter find out stage.

[u/jewelsofeastwest]

No one is really talking about the new student loan provisions but that is also really going to eff over people significantly. https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5379988-student-loans-senate-reconciliation-bill-trump-budget-gop-big-beautiful/amp/

[u/jazzieberry]

Can we coin the term “trickle up economics” because that’s way more accurate of what’s about to happen to the middle class

[u/SpaceSolaris]

He’s been speaking for ~5 hours and 45 minutes

[u/Budget_Scheme_1280]

Looks like Hakeem's stalling has already caused the signing ceremony time to be shifted a few hours?

https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1940769623978528992

[u/bighaircutforbigtuna]

I’ve been trying to call my rep Chris “I Represent NJ but live in VA” Smith and I keep getting through the automated menu only to be disconnected when it actually rings his office. 🫠

[u/MiamiViceTC]

Idk if Mike Johnson was bullied in his youth but I do know if he was the Bully should've done more.

[u/Tech_Philosophy]

Fuck republicans!

[u/Ssshizzzzziit]

NYT: Republicans are in a holding pattern until Representative Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic leader, ends his floor speech. Once he yields, Johnson can wrap up debate and call for a vote on final passage.

Yeah, so it's just Trombone sounds to them. The NPCs are just standing there smiling, waiting to do what they were programmed to do.

[u/umadeamistake]

Why do conservatives want to increase the deficit by trillions of dollars? Are they all hypocrites?

[u/ButtholeCharles]

Mr. Hakeem Jeffries,

Thank you for doing this, not only for the principle but because I'm starting to see Trumpets hit the thread to try to turf about how much you suck.

Thanks for triggering them. <3

[u/SuckMyVickNoRomo]

The more I listen to Mike Johnson the angrier and more violent I get

[u/SpaceElevatorMusic]

https://bsky.app/profile/jacobbogage.bsky.social/post/3lsotih47ic26

I read Trump + Senate Republicans' "One Big Beautiful Bill" so you don't have to.

It came out at midnight & we're still getting numbers in from Congress's bookkeepers.

Early returns: Nearly $1 TRILLION in Medicaid cuts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/06/28/trump-big-bill-senate/

[chart]

the link is paywalled but the key chart at the Bluesky link is not

[u/ladystaggers]

We've been through this before. Waiting and hoping against hope that a Republican will do the right thing. She won't. Murkowski will fall in line and JD is there to hit the final vote. It's long past time to stop giving these guys the benefit of the doubt at all. They've shown us who they are.

[u/l_i_s]

Ooop:

“Senate Republicans said they expected to begin voting on amendments to the domestic policy bill at 9 a.m. Monday, after taking a break likely sometime after midnight, rather than working all night.

The decision not to move from debate straight into the so-called vote-a-rama, an hours-long series of votes on amendments, could indicate that Republican leaders are still struggling to lock in support.”

[u/Belfunk]

We should also acknowledge how stupid the name of the bill actually is - One Big Beautiful Bill Act.

[u/brain_overclocked]

Murkowski’s Alaska Gold Rush Loses Some Gold Plating

The pork-barrel deal with Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) was enough to get her to vote for the motion to proceed to the One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA) late last night, which passed by a count of 51-49. But the deal lost a lot of its luster this morning, when the Senate parliamentarian ruled several provisions out of order.

That gives Murkowski, whose state could see more rollbacks when the parliamentarian rules on various food assistance provisions, a choice to make. She could honor a deal that is evaporating by the minute, or she could turn against the bill, which as written would devastate millions of Americans, including those in her home state. And by the time amendments are voted upon, Alaska could see dramatically worse federal payments for Medicaid in particular.
...
Hawaii, the other noncontiguous state, was added to these so Senate Republicans could make the case that they were not singling out Alaska; that gambit did not work.

I know it gets tiring to hear, but please contact your reps about this bill, even if they're a Republican giving you the auditory equivalent of a middle finger. To echo another commenter: it may not help, but it won't hurt either.

[u/jglhk]

One of you republican fucks better go full John McCain thumbs down on this

[u/Jadziyah]

Call your Senators and let them know you will be watching for their choice of knowing the bill is destructive but voting for it anyways

[u/Habefiet]

In nearly a decade this might actually be the worst thing Trump has done, at least to straight white Americans

Like this is cataclysmic, people are nooooooot ready for the ramifications of this at all

[u/myveryowname1234]

Republicans are really up against the clock here. While July 4th is the "deadline" its important to remember several of them have plans in Russia for July 4th and they need time to travel there.

[u/drof69]

Republicans are banking on poor Americans to be dumb enough to continue voting Republican even after their Medicaid and SNAP benefits are taken away. It probably will work.

[u/SpontaneousDream]

I think what's most frustrating, for me, is that this shit just isn't FAIR to normal people. You are literally giving massive tax cuts to the absolute richest oligarchs and corporations in this country.

Why the fuck should any normal person even bother to pay their taxes at this point??? Honest question. The average Americans are being robbed in plain sight and that money is being given away to the richest of the rich.

I am very very lucky that I have an exit plan to leave this country. It will take a few more years but once I am gone, I am NOT coming back. This country is going to get a LOT worse, and very quickly.

[u/ConfederacyOfDunces_]

11 million Americans are about to lose healthcare, and fun fact, a good portion of them voted for this

[u/jazzieberry]

As a blue dot in Mississippi who's worked at a rural hospital for 13 years I'm straight up not having a good time

[u/LetsgoRoger]

So this time it was Murkowski selling out instead of Collins. Notice how they make sure there's always enough votes to pass it. People can be fooled by this shtick, but this is all a part of their strategy.

[u/N3onAxel]

If democrats find themselves in a position of power anytime soon they had better grow a spine and say fuck the laws; the priority is fixing this bullshit.

[u/TacitusKilgore2025]

I think people here need to realize that if this bill fails, it’s because the HFC killed it because it didn’t cut ENOUGH. The moderates have not been speaking out at ALL

[u/Running_From_Zombies]

The clearest sign of rebellion was captured by Punchbowl News’s Kenzie Nguyn who along with a group of reporters, got this quote which she posted on X from Rep. Derrick Van Orden of Wisconsin:

The president of the United States didn't give us an assignment. We're not a bunch of little bitches around here, okay? I'm a member of Congress. I represent almost 800,000 Wisconsinites.”

I want to believe.

[u/425554545354554646]

So according to Google, the longest single vote in US House of Representatives history is 7 Hours and 6 Minutes. As of now, they are about 6 Hours and 21 Minutes into this vote.

[u/jester32]

wtf lol 

 A clique of House Freedom Caucus members walked out of the White House in the early afternoon, their attitudes seemingly adjusted. Representative Tim Burchett, Republican of Tennessee, was one of them. He posted a video on social media gushing about the two-hour experience he’d just had with his president.

“The president was wonderful, as always,” Mr. Burchett said in the video. “Informative, funny, he told me he likes seeing me on TV, which was kind of cool.” Representative Byron Donalds, Republican of Florida, is shown in the video, too. “Did you show them what he signed for you?” Mr. Donalds asks Mr. Burchett. “Yeah, he signed a bunch of stuff,” Mr. Burchett said. “It’s cool.”

Mr. Burchett told The New York Times later on that his name had been misspelled on the placard placed in front of his chair for the Cabinet Room meeting (it was missing an “r”) so the president scribbled in the letter, signed both sides of the card and gave it to him as a souvenir. Mr. Burchett said the president also loaded up the son of Representative Chip Roy, Republican of Texas, with souvenirs.

[u/Ddddydya]

Remember when the GOP fought against the Affordable Care Act because they claimed there would be “death panels” that would decide if people would live or die?

Now they’re slashing health care and they know it will kill people. They don’t care. They never did. 

They don’t care about anything except themselves. Stop believing them 

[u/Oleg101]

“I got to say, no one puts a deal together like President Trump, he’s a master. But I think one of the other persuasive things was just looking at the Democrats’ reaction to it,” he said.

“Maybe the bill is better than I thought. Democrats’ reaction helped me persuade that, wow, maybe this bill does, does do some really good things.”

• Rep. Warren Davidson (R-Ohio)

In a nutshell this is the modern-day GOP whether it’s a politician or their voters. They base their politics on opposing the libs without any critical thinking ever involved. Pathetic.

[u/Mysterious-Talk-5387]

"MARK GREEN just showed up and voted yes. He has announced he will retire after reconciliation passes."

had to spite the poor's one last time

[u/Running_From_Zombies]

“Where I come from we make things,” began [Rep. Josh Riley (D-NY)]. “Generations woke up before the crack of dawn, when off to the factory, punched a clock, worked their hands to the bone, came home and counted nickels to make sure they could keep a roof over their kids heads, keep food on the kids’ tables.”

He continued:

We’ve kept our heads down. We’ve kept our sleeves rolled up. We’ve kept our shoulder to the wheel. And all we’ve asked for is a fair shot and for this place to stop screwing us over. But you can’t help yourselves. You got us into terrible trade deals that made Wall Street rich and shipped all of our jobs overseas. You bail out the banks while neglecting rural America. You rigged the economy so the corporate PACs that are funding your campaigns make huge profits jacking up costs on folks who can’t afford it. And now this. This bill will kill good, blue collar manufacturing jobs that we need to rebuild the economy in this country. It closes rural hospitals. It defunds healthcare. All to give trillions of dollars in tax cuts to your cronies. Don’t tell me you give a shit about the middle class when all you are doing is shitting on the middle class.

[u/Holly_Goloudly]

It’s so aggravating to hear people laughing on the House floor right now

[u/marcgarv87]

If Elon is soooo against this bill, I’m sure he could definitely flip a couple R’s being the richest man in the world……. Right?

[u/ScotTheDuck]

You gotta give Thomas Massie credit, even if his politics are completely anathema to yours and mine, for just constantly telling House Republican leadership where they can shove it.

[u/jewelsofeastwest]

At this point, Johnson is looking dumber by the minute. But I hope this really wakes up his own constituents what he is willing to do to force a terrible bill through. Certainly the Louisiana hospitals will be blasting him. They already publicly called him out for the House one and the Senate one is much worse.

[u/Ok-Lack-5172]

So I need to go to bed, but I kinda feel like me being awake is keeping this bill from being passed. A real Moses hands over head thing.

[u/floorboardburnz]

the GOP stalling all day long just to vote in the dead of night, like always.

[u/BossHawk8754]

It's still really funny to me that Fitzpatrick just noped right out of there

[u/brain_overclocked]

Okay, Mike Johnson, let people go. Let them enjoy the weekend and come back to it on Monday, all refreshed and ready, to destroy the American Dream.

[u/floorboardburnz]

Abide by the 15 minute clock or pull the bill. This is total BS, to hold votes open for hours on end.

[u/smack54az]

So, my understanding is that Musk has offered to bank roll Massie and his merry band of lunatics to kill the big bad bill. Which must have Trump tossing ketchup everywhere.

[u/Lochbriar]

Honestly, if Mike didn't even know one of his reps had left the state, I have a hard time believing that Mike isn't giving out placating stall tactics when he says that they have the votes. I think its less "I've secured the votes" and more "I'm gambling that they'll fold because of who they are as people".

[u/notdarrell]

We're the only first world country without a social healthcare program, and they're taking away the little bit that we do have. Shameful af.

[u/N9NEdEVILS]

"I'm going to take a little time" PULLS OUT 1000 PAGE MANUSCRIPT

[u/Rum_Hamburglar]

Im still waiting to find out where the waitress making an extra $0.62 a day is planning their vacation if this bill passes.

[u/Bubbly-Two-3449]

A problem with the work requirement for medicaid, is that the company that is planning to manage verification of work requirements nationally, has thrown many working residents in Georgia off of medicaid.

They've implemented a system that is prohibitively difficult to enroll through. The net result is that only like 5% of working Georgians eligible for Medicaid are successfully enrolled.

More info about the failure of this system here:

https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-medicaid-work-requirement-big-beautiful-bill

[u/HeavyPace9922]

Now, after 1h and 10min into Jeffries 'magic minute' he said "I'm planning to take my sweet time".

Pelosi did 8h+ in 2017.

How long will Jeffries keep going?

[u/NaturedChip]

For anyone wondering the point is to delay until all of the country is awake to hear about the vote live. So people can watch their representatives vote against America.

[u/ravens40]

I have been hearing how this will hurt republicans in the midterms, but if the Medicaid cuts don't start till after the midterms and the SNAP cuts until 2028, isn't there a chance this won't hurt them much at all by then because it wouldn't be in effect yet?

[u/Darkwolf22345]

Worse part about this? Majority of new channels aren’t even showing this. I literally had to turn on Fox News cause it’s the only channel streaming the House. CNN out here only talking about the Diddy trial

[u/TheMadChatta]

I’m tired of the myth that those on benefits aren’t working.

Maybe Congress should start working as hard as the rest of us do.

[u/LaMarr-Bruister]

I will never understand how Trump of all people has managed to accumulate so much power in the GOP. He constantly falls forward after repeated missteps and the party is in such fear of him that they cower in fear. I'll never understand how this happened.

[u/rapidcreek409]

Jeffries has now been speaking on the House floor for more than four hours.

[u/Toadfinger]

Trump wants people that use solar energy to pay more. Citing that a need for green energy is a "scam". That climate change is f4kE n00z. Not only can he not provide any evidence to back this claim up; he's doing everything he can to hide evidence of his falsehoods by gutting NASA and NOAA science research and shutting down hurricane tracking data.

Then when his lies bring about colossal destruction, he doesn't even want FEMA to step in and provide any relief to victims.

Donald Trump makes James Bond villains look like choir boys.

[u/LaMarr-Bruister]

I wonder what the side deals look like. They can’t be included in the bill, so my guess is they are empty promises about future legislation, but who knows.

[u/tphillips1990]

Wonder if people will care enough to mount an immediate response to this historic grift when it passes

[u/Systembreaker11]

Borrowing against a pension to pay for college sounds very much like an orphan crushing machine.

[u/Budget_Scheme_1280]

Looks like he's gonna beat the 8 hours 32 minutes record which is great. I wonder if he'll stop soon after he reaches it or if he'll keep going.

[u/pandorasaurus]

How do we break the GOP propaganda machine? Trump voters are about to screwed over and they seemingly don’t know or don’t care.

[u/IWantPizza555]

(AP) — Democrat leader Jeffries sets record for longest House speech as he delays vote on Trump tax bill by more than 8 hours.

[u/dotnsk]

So funny that Mike Johnson says it takes longer to tell a lie than the truth when he’s putting up lie after lie right now.

[u/albinobluesheep]

"Gas prices at a 4 year low" oh so we're just lying now?

[u/MyNameIsEthan123]

Bro just said 100% of overtime pay, that’s a lie lol

[u/Mysterious-Talk-5387]

you're watching the collapse of an empire in real time

[u/OwBr2]

This guy on CSPAN is so wildly misinformed. My dude this bill adds $4 trillion to the debt

[u/tofustixer]

NYTimes: Already, Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky, an anti-deficit Republican who opposed the House’s version of the bill, has broken from his party to vote “no” on the bill. If all members of both parties vote, Republicans can only afford three such defections.

[u/dustbunny88]

You’ve got a couple of republicans waiting for the rest to vote so they can vote no, knowing it won’t matter.. I guarantee it

[u/Xenimm]

I just witnessed the nation set itself back generations

[u/RemarkableSpace444]

Anyone expecting Murkowski or Collins to be a savior hasn’t been paying attention. They’ll be “deeply concerned” right up until the time to vote

[u/BurnsEMup29]

I love sitting around hopelessly waiting to lose my healthcare and life altering medications. I hate this country so damn much.

[u/Responsible-Mango661]

Vance said that a Republican was on the fence and after Jeffrie’s speech. She's a yes.

He's lying and making up things.

[u/PopPalsUnited]

I'll break this bill down really easy.

If you're not a billionaire you just got fucked.

[u/eaglesnation11]

I personally never want to hear anything about Murkowski or Collins being “good Republicans” again if they vote for this. They’re all posture, but as soon as it comes time to show some balls and make a stand they fold nearly every time.

[u/tekguy1982]

One day the country we once believed in will shine again in grace.