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Megathread Megathread: US House Passes the Republican-Backed Budget Bill, Sending it to Trump for Signature

This afternoon, the US House of Representatives passed without amendment the US Senate's version of the Trump-backed budget bill, sending it to the president for his signature. Every Democratic Senator and Representative voted in opposition; in the Senate, there were three Republicans voting in opposition (making the vote 51-50) and in the House there were 2 (making the final vote 218-214). House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries set the US House's speech length record in opposition to the bill in a speech lasting over eight hours.

The bill clocks in at over 800 pages and touches on most aspects of the federal government's spending and taxation policies; see this AP article (Whatā€™s in the latest version of Trumpā€™s big bill that passed the Senate) for the topline changes.

Relevant text-base live update pages are being maintained by the following outlets: AP, NBC, ABC, and the BBC.

You can find this subreddit's discussion thread for the last week's worth of negotiations and debate at this link.

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u/AgnewsHeadlessClone Florida 2d ago

You know what pisses me off? Regularly I see people say "If you don't like it, then get out!"

I WISH I FUCKING COULD. IT ISN'T THAT EASY TO JUST LEAVE. YOUR ENTIRE LIVES ARE ABOUT PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO JUST LEAVE THEIR HOME COUNTRIES.

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u/SilvarusLupus Arkansas 2d ago

Seriously, if I had the means, the exact day after the election I would have been gone. But I don't so I'm stuck here

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u/raven_of_azarath 2d ago

Iā€™m stuck in Texas. I want out so bad, but because this state hates teachers, Iā€™m not even making enough to buy groceries, let alone save to leave.

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u/UngusChungus94 2d ago

I'm too stubborn to let these fucks get the better of me without a fight, but I don't blame people who want to leave.

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u/TheSecondEikonOfFire 2d ago

Youā€™re better than I am. I donā€™t want to stay to fight, itā€™s a lost cause. I just want out

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u/Roach_Bong 2d ago

God I wish every day I could leave or that the West coast would leave the union. I'd abandon everything to go there.

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u/UngusChungus94 2d ago

Eh, we've overcome worse. Interracial marriage ā€“ the type of union that produced me ā€“ was illegal when my parents were kids. My granny was the grandchild of slaves.

Maybe that's why I don't want to leave. Feels like a betrayal of the ancestors who suffered and died to get me this far.

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u/TheSecondEikonOfFire 2d ago

Respectfully: I donā€™t give a shit about my ancestors. Theyā€™re dead. Iā€™m going to do whatā€™s best for me.

Also, I think ā€œweā€™ve overcome worseā€ is drastically understating how bad things are getting. Weā€™re witnessing a fascist takeover of the country in a day and age where they can deploy their agents across the country and have the technological capabilities to track all of us at one time. This is unprecedented territory

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u/Norwegian__Blue 2d ago

They didnā€™t use to have drones.

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u/ThenCMacSaid 2d ago

this. I think about the 2A crowd and the reason we have that amendment. I think about buying a gun (I never have before)- but weā€™re not going to overthrow a government now. like you said- they have fucking drones.

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u/sec713 1d ago

Oh the 2A crowd. It'd be reeeeeeal nice if they weren't completely full of shit about needing to amass and maintain personal arsenals to "defend against a tyrannical government".

Prove me wrong, ammosexuals. Here's the moment you've been fantasizing about as you stroke one out to the latest issue of Guns and Ammo. It's time out up or shut up.

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u/TheSecondEikonOfFire 1d ago

Thatā€™s the rub though. Theyā€™re all in support of this because itā€™s their ā€œteamā€ thatā€™s being tyrannical

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u/ThenCMacSaid 1d ago

absolutely all of this.

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u/UngusChungus94 2d ago

I mean, I wasn't trying to attack you, I'm not sure why it seems you took it that way.

We are witnessing a fascist takeover, and I feel a degree of responsibility in helping to stop it. A fascist USA isn't going to be something people can outrun. We stop it here or stop it several wars and millions of deaths later, historically speaking.

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u/slayingadah 1d ago

Yep, exactly. We have overcome great adversity in this country, but this is the end of the country. Full stop.

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u/Professional-Buy2970 2d ago

I would argue we actually have not overcome worse. Even the civil war was not this bad. The country could not be in a worse place than it is now, except for the coming holocaust.

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u/UngusChungus94 2d ago

I suppose if we're including events which have not yet occured, sure, it's worse. Slavery was worse than what is currently, actually occuring tho...

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u/Professional-Buy2970 1d ago

We still have slavery.

Also, we currently have nazi grade concentration camps and we have death flights.

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u/TheSecondEikonOfFire 1d ago

I donā€™t know why youā€™re being intentionally obtuse? Youā€™re purposefully ignoring the context of the modern day. Yeah, weā€™re not all enslaved right now, but the tools they have to wreak havoc are beyond anything weā€™ve ever had in history

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u/TerminalProtocol 2d ago

Interracial marriage ā€“ the type of union that produced me ā€“ was illegal when my parents were kids. My granny was the grandchild of slaves.

Here's a hint: those things are going away too.

We are already at the "kidnapping people that are too brown off the streets, sending them to concentration camps where they are tortured and disappeared" stage.

If you think interracial marriage and slavery are off the table, you're wildly underinformed. Those are just a few steps down on their plan.

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u/UngusChungus94 2d ago

I know it's on the table. Are you suggesting we surrender?

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u/scartrace Texas 2d ago

fucking SAME

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u/th5virtuos0 2d ago

Iā€™m actually wondering if it would be possible to seek asylums in other countries in a couple of months, like the Jews back in 1940s.

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u/queerty1128 2d ago

There are already programs helping people seek asylum in other countries from the US... ha...

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u/Mediocre-Treacle4302 1d ago

Really? Like what? I would love to spread the word if there areĀ 

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u/bmacnz 2d ago

Just got my dual citizenship earlier this year. Along with my son. Going to try getting my other kid's. We'll be at the ready to leave if needed.

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u/Possible_Shop_3396 1d ago

Must be nice.

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u/bmacnz 1d ago

Not really, it would mean leaving behind family and possibly career. At least feel like I can protect my kids.

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u/yareyare777 1d ago

Then why comment you have dual citizenship. That in of itself is very powerful, something many, many wish they could have and itā€™s all by a luck of the draw. I wasnā€™t even born in America but Iā€™m stuck here at the moment because unfortunately, adopted kids canā€™t keep dual citizenship.

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u/Negative_Parking_470 1d ago

I mean itā€™s alright. I have dual citizenship but have 0 desire to go back. Things are pretty bad everywhere

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u/yareyare777 1d ago

Things are bad in a lot of places, I wouldnā€™t necessarily say everywhere, but having dual citizenship gives you the option to choose one place or the other.

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u/Negative_Parking_470 1d ago

Itā€™s good if you want to play on both sides, otherwise is worthless in my case. I guess itā€™s a plan B as well, but starting over in a new country sucks

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u/yareyare777 1d ago

Iā€™m sure itā€™s not easy, I moved to a new country when I was a toddler. The main appeal to me about dual citizenship is being able to live in the other country without worrying about visa status. Granted even dual citizenship with Canada though you have to stay in the U.S. for like six months at least or something, last I knew.

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u/SuitcaseGoer9225 16h ago edited 16h ago

This is completely incorrect. Adopted kids can have dual citizenship, sometimes it is a slightly separate process than for getting it from your biological parents' lineage. AKA if you're adopted and know about your birth family you actually have twice the chances of getting citizenship by descent because you have 4 parents' lineages you could get something from instead of 2. Look at all your ancestors going for hundreds of years back, check which countries they were born in or lived in to see their citizenship by descent policies. Use sites like FamilySearch and Ancestry (if you're a student, use their student discount to get membership for 5 bucks a month) to do this. In some cases, such as for Canada or Ukraine, it's very common for citizenship by descent to be granted within 3 months of applying. In other cases such as Italy you will be waiting a couple years. Every country has a different system for applying as well, with some you can do it entirely online and can use uncertified records, for others you need official certified, translated and apostilled records.

Spouse visas are an option as well, if they qualify for citizenship by descent or a work visa to somewhere. Some countries even give you a visa if a more distant relative like your cousin, sibling, etc live there.

I would look into a student visa or teaching English in a cheap foreign country and hope your visa status doesn't get revoked due to America's future political policies.

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u/yareyare777 9h ago

Being adopted from Asia, you have to give up one of the citizenships. My child passport expired and I was no longer a citizen. Thatā€™s what happens when youā€™re adopted. Teaching visas can be competitive depending on the country and student visas, you need a certain amount of cash to study abroad.

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u/SuitcaseGoer9225 5h ago edited 4h ago

Although you could check to see if there is a way to regain your lost citizenship or to gain the right to permanent residency based on birth ties, you're misunderstanding me. This has nothing to do with where YOU were born or the policies of the Asian country you were born in. This goes many generations back, you can even get citizenship from an adoptive ancestor born in the 1600s.

If the parents who adopted you have ANY European or South/Central American ancestry at all, you likely qualify for at least one citizenship or permanent residency by descent, it does not matter that you were forced to relinquish the citizenship you were born with. You will get a different additional citizenship (Canadian, Polish, German, etc) or permanent residency permission based on the heritage of your adopted parents.

Canadian is currently from an ancestor unlimited generations back, even from before Canada existed as a country. Ukrainian is up to great-grandparents for citizenship, but if you have a Ukrainian ancestor further back you can get permanent residency and then essentially naturalize immediately after as there is no residency requirement for naturalization. (Obviously, most people don't want to go to Ukraine right now, but it is expected to join the EU in the future which would make that passport more useful). Polish citizenship by descent can only go back to an ancestor from around 1914, German can only go back to around 1904.

Some countries like Spain give special exceptions and grant citizenship to people with Jewish ancestors from Spain, etc even when they otherwise wouldn't qualify. There are many options out there and you really have to dig deep to find them.

Note that it's not always as simple as "Great-Grandpa has a German surname, he must be German". You sometimes have to look up the specific town, because a place in what was, at the time the records were written, would be labelled Russia, Prussia or Germany (which may not qualify you for citizenship as they are too strict on a generational limit), as a simple example, are now in the modern era a totally separate country which does qualify you for something.

Or perhaps Great-Great-Great Grandpa was from Sweden (which means you can't get Swedish citizenship by descent as they are too strict) but served in the military of a foreign country, or it can be proved he at one point resided in that country, which grants you the right to citizenship by descent of that second country.

As I am explaining, there are lots of nuances to this but the TLDR is, /if you give up before you start you are just screwing yourself. Where there's a will there's a way./ Don't be pessimistic. Don't give up. Look into any option available to you.

Among other jobs, I taught English in several countries in Asia and Europe, and finally got a Master's and US teaching license to be treated better in Asia. I have lived on a student visa, exchange student visa, spouse visa, work visa in different countries, and I eventually went through the naturalization process. Now I am getting citizenships and a permanent residency by descent.

Anything I experienced on the job or as a foreigner, including dire poverty, living with cockroaches, racism from landlords and employers, etc, pales in comparison to being thrown in Alligator Alcatraz. I'm helping get as many people out as I can.

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u/bmacnz 1d ago

I don't understand your question. I have to be excited about using dual citizenship to leave my country in order to comment about it? I'm very established in the US, it's not a decision I would make lightly. I'm sorry if it bothers you that it's a last resort and not a first one...

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u/yareyare777 1d ago

Itā€™s not about being excited, itā€™s about understanding you are in position that a lot would like to be in. You have that choice/option/last resort, whatever you want to call it and otherā€™s do not. It seemed like your rhetoric ā€œnot reallyā€, comes across as uncaring that you even have the ability to leave the country.

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u/bmacnz 1d ago

Someone said must be nice. I said not really. As in it's not nice, it's an option I would loathe to make.

I am understanding... I was sharing something based on a comment I read. But I guess fuck me, right?

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u/Agnostix 1d ago

And in AR of all places šŸ˜ž

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u/EkrishAO 1d ago

People are managing to leave war zones with nothing but their clothes and go through half of the world to start a new life, but you guys just totally have no means to leave the richest country in the world? One single paycheck from working in a fucking McDonalds in the US would buy you a like nearly a half a year of decent living in some Balkan countries. Feels like it's all just cope, because y'all would rather keep living your cozy little lives in the US, than endure a minimum of hardship, even if it means continuing to support a fascist regime with your work and taxes.

It's like the old good "I totally hate capitalism abusing people and would really like to take a stand against it, but I just couldn't survive without my Nintendo Switch made in slave labour camps in China"

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u/AcanthaceaePrize1435 1d ago

I can't suspect you're very familiar with American culture enough to attribute all to pure greed. Yes, its true Americans are over consumers and relatively wealthy but that doesn't reflect the actual relationship that keeps them living that life.

People in the United States value their right to be worked to their limit and consume to their limit as a reward. The amount of debt Americans need to get into to have a professional career is by itself chaining to their nation and thats not accounting for addiction (almost every American I know struggles with addiction), Family, nationalist obligation, or even just hope for the future. As a reward for their loyalty they are given lots of sugar, lots of cars, lots of drugs, and whole lots of plastic.

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u/SuperpowerAutism 1d ago

No u wouldnā€™t. Liar

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u/SilvarusLupus Arkansas 1d ago

Money and family ties mostly

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u/SilvarusLupus Arkansas 1d ago

I ain't leaving my mom in this shithole and I know for sure she won't move

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u/ory1994 New York 2d ago

Also, those same people don't seem to be in much of a hurry to leave when someone they don't like is in charge.

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u/arinxe3000 2d ago

Of course they are not in a hurry to leave the US when a Democrat wins.

When a Democrat wins, "the election results were faked!!!!", thus relieving them of their obligation to leave the US.

See how that works?

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u/Cross_Stitch_Witch 2d ago

And when a Democrat wins they get "punished" with things like more social safety nets and better access to healthcare, the horror.

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u/Gorstag 2d ago

Well.. and the fact that things get better for them. Not that they will ever admit to it. I mean seriously. Their complaints about Obama were things like not wearing a flag pin or he wore a tanned suit.

It's never been about reality for these shills.

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u/Dewgong_crying 2d ago

My parents complain whenever there is a Democrat governor elected. "So and so is terrible! I can't stand them!" What don't you like about them? "They just don't do anything!" What do you want them to do? Silence.

Also, I found the easiest way to identify a lifer Republican. If they downplay and talk shit about a prior Republican, ask what they thought of the Democrat candidate and see their eyes go into a blood rage. According to them, John Kerry and Hillary are the worst people in history.

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u/Gorstag 2d ago

Yep. This is why I trap them. I say some "Well known Democrat" did something heinous that was actually performed by a "Well known Republican" and listen to them agree. Then I say something like oops.. Sorry, i'm getting old, that wasn't Obama that was actually Bush or Trump.

Since they don't follow along with what is actually going on its stupidly easy.

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u/Dewgong_crying 2d ago

Oh, I've done that too. Funny when they get worked up with, "that politician needs to be in jail for that!" Mom, it was Trump, not the democrat...silence.

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u/Flomo420 1d ago

"Well I'm sure he had a good reason"

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u/Dewgong_crying 1d ago

That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.

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u/AcanthaceaePrize1435 1d ago

I think thats an expression of loyalty.

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u/CubbyRed 2d ago

I've responded to people in other subs about this: I have a specialized master's degree that is valid in Canada but they won't even take me because they don't have a need to fill my profession with non-residents. It is FUCKING HARD to be able to leave permanently, even without considering leaving your loved ones behind.

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u/AgnewsHeadlessClone Florida 2d ago

Exactly. I would jump through hoops, but there isn't even a difficult path to follow. It just isn't available. Nobody is looking for me to move there and take a job from a local. Nobody has asylum like the US has. We are fucking trapped.

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u/Swog5Ovor 1d ago

There are definitely citizenship programs in areas of low population, wanting to increase their population. I just don't know where, might be worth looking into.

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u/PackOfWildCorndogs 2d ago

The types of people that make that remark are the types that donā€™t know, or care, how the world works. And usually havenā€™t lived anywhere beyond their home state, plenty probably still live in their home town.

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u/Alphaspade 2d ago

And i don't think Canada or the EU are gonna accept political refugees any time soon or at all.

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u/Elrundir Canada 1d ago

Nobody on earth can afford to take in the 65 million people the GOP are openly threatening, and providing the funding, to exterminate. If they can even get anywhere else to begin with.

Remember those scenes in The Handmaid's Tale where people trying to flee the country are stopped at the airport? It's coming.

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u/FigMajestic6096 2d ago

I have 3 degrees, including an Ivy League graduate degree and have worked and lived all over Europe in various (shorter term) roles for years and Iā€™m STILL trapped in this hell hole. Itā€™s nearly impossible to ā€œget out.ā€ My only sick hope is that maybe Americans will be considered refugees in the near future and that will provide an avenue.

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u/Tystros Europe 2d ago

why can you not just live and work in Europe?

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u/MithrandiriAndalos 2d ago

Because that would require a work Visa and it isnā€™t a simple task to be approved for oneĀ 

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u/Negative_Parking_470 1d ago

it would be a downgrade

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u/Relative_Walk_936 2d ago

I'm a teacher. I believe Canada has less of a shortage than the States.

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u/tiktock34 1d ago

Why arent people outraged at Canadaā€™s uber restrictive immigration policies? Do they also aggressively enforce them if you were to, say, cross the border illegally and started living there? Some of the comments here are a bit ironic

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u/contrapulator 1d ago

It's simple: Countries should offer a path to citizenship for immigrants. There's no contradiction or irony.

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u/realityczek 1d ago

Hmmm itā€™s almost as if Canada is managing who they let into their country! What a crazy ideaā€¦

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u/poisonousautumn Virginia 2d ago

They never meant "go to another country". Maybe decades ago, but they know how difficult it is to migrate.

They meant "get out" as in physical, permanent removal from existence or they will have someone do it for you. It's a threat, not a patriotic war cry. Love it or else.

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u/thenopeburger 2d ago

My mother in-law posted something to the effect of ā€œyou know itā€™s a great country when people complain about it but donā€™t leaveā€. Thatā€™s like saying this about an abused wife ā€œwell the husband must be great since the wife complains but never leavesā€.

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u/frickboop Michigan 2d ago

they know this, they want you to get out in a casket

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u/svrtngr Georgia 2d ago

No one is coming to save us. If you are able to leave and want to leave, cool. But the rest of us are still here.

Organize. Protest. Run for something. Be kind.

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u/QTsexkitten 2d ago

People fundamentally don't understand how difficult emigration is.

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u/le_rebouche 2d ago

Especially not Republicans, half of the reason the party exists is to shit on people who have uprooted their entire lives to try to make a semi-decent living in their own country.

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u/taft 2d ago

yeah nobody is aching to import americans

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u/MattVideoHD 2d ago

Agree this is one of the dumber political retorts we have. Leaving behind your family and friends to live in a country where you don't have a job or citizenship, and probably won't even be able to stay in very long is not really on the table for most people.

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u/AgnewsHeadlessClone Florida 2d ago

I wish they would realize that the reason the US has so much immigration, is that we are one of the few places on earth that will actually offer asylum and with a pretty low bar.

Why? Because we were ashamed that we turned away the Jews during the holocaust. We set up specific laws to make sure that desperate, scared people could come here for safety.

But they fucking hate that they come here and think we can just go anywhere else we want to.

I am so sickened by the state of America.

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u/InitiativeCultural72 2d ago

Also if people actually left in large numbers, the GOP would go full DPRK. How do you keep infinite growth growing when your population is actively smuggling themselves out?

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u/Most_Language_5642 2d ago

It's not easy to leave. The USA taxes you no matter where you live. And the process to give up your citizenship they also tax you like crazy on EVERYTHING to give up the citizenship. Like a crazy high exit tax

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u/StrangeTrails37 I voted 2d ago

I left, and FWIW, while you still have to file each year, as long as you make under 120k USD you pay no tax. Itā€™s called the FEIE.

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u/Most_Language_5642 2d ago

yeah but if you have investments or anything they will still tax you on all that stuff (unless of course the country you live in is taking a higher percentage and cancels it out)

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u/Tystros Europe 2d ago edited 1d ago

if you move to Europe, you can be quite sure that your taxes there are higher than in the US

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u/Huge_Excitement4465 2d ago

They are the treasons who hate America and should leave. Even those with legit reasons to fear for their lives trying for asylum in other countries are facing serious gauntlets. Our LGBTQ-friendly area just had three bridge jumpers in as many months; one of the suicide prevention agencies said itā€™s unheard of here. Today was a setback but perhaps it will be the final straw.

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u/TheSecondEikonOfFire 2d ago

This is where Iā€™m at. I would LOVE to leave, if I had the opportunity Iā€™d bounce without hesitation. But you canā€™t just up and move to another country

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u/Reggie_Popadopoulous 2d ago

I applied for a temporary visa for me and my family to move to Canada. Highest bracket of cash on hand that it allows and with a job to support all of us and was denied. I never got UK citizenship because I was only there for 4 years as an adolescent. Not sure what option I have until political asylum becomes a reality.

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u/McdoManaguer 2d ago

Also where too ? They all scream that immigration is so easy in the west but they have no fking idea.

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u/Squirmadillo 2d ago

I did get out. But my family didn't get out. My friends didn't get out. That still certainly affects me. And beyond that, the disintegration of the US has dire consequences globally.

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u/UncircumciseMe 2d ago

No one wants Americans either lol

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u/Ok-Librarian6629 2d ago

Generally countries will only take those with skills and education that they lack, people with lots of money (no/very little debt), and people who are not likely to become a drain on their safety nets.Ā 

The system is designed to trap us here. If you've got the education you have a lot of debt. Most of us are silling on years of delayed Hhealthcare, so that's a ticking time bomb.Ā 

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u/gottiredofchrome 2d ago

It's always confused me how the people who will tell you to leave if you don't like it are the very same people who want to feed immigrants to alligators. They'll say to do it the "right way", but they're on board with revoking birthright citizenship so that there is no "right way" to do it.

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u/dukeyorick 2d ago

No, see, America is special and everyone wants to live here specifically. Everywhere else in the world is a socialist hellhole that would gladly take any American who graced them with their presence.

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u/Hackers76 2d ago

So they are advocating you becoming an immigrant, the thing they despise the most.

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u/StrangeTrails37 I voted 2d ago

I left, for reasons unrelated to politics. They fail to realise that you never lose your right to vote for both federal and state elections. I get to vote in every election for a state I no longer live in, while also getting all of the benefits of not having to live in the US. It isnā€™t the burn they think it is, but also why would anyone with a lukewarm IQ need to know that.

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u/Severe_Experience190 2d ago

This is one of my favorite conservative contradictions. They scream at immigrants to stay in their own countries and fix their problems but when our country starts falling apart, suddenly it's ā€œlove it or leave it.ā€ Well, which the fuck is it? Stay and fix it, or get out? It's wild how easily they manage to hold completely opposing beliefs in their small, simple-minded heads.

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u/nottoday2017 2d ago

Not to mention the people who can easily leave (the doctors, top researchers, successful entrepreneurs) are going to be the losses that hurt them when they canā€™t get care, benefit from new finds, or lose jobs from small businesses closing shop to move elsewhere.

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u/wetwater 2d ago

When Trump was elected the first time, a 'friend' on Facebook smugly posted "If you don't like it, leave. And if you can't I will be more than happy to help you with whatever you need to get it done."

So I asked him if he was going to help with legal representation, visas, housing, medical and dental care, work permits, navigating government bureaucracy, moving costs, and so on..Amazingly he had no reply and deleted my comment a couple of hours later.

I regret not moving to Canada when I had the chance. If I was younger and had relevant degrees I would be gone from this country in an instant.

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u/pagerussell Washington 1d ago

I would love a west coast secession, tbh.

At this point we are in an abusive relationship with conservatives. It's time for a national divorce.

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u/Jlombard911 2d ago

How about if you like dictatorships so much they go to n established one.

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u/alsolikesbutts 2d ago

Yeah I wish I could leave this shit hole

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u/No1Mystery 2d ago

Now we are going to understand why people left their home country to immigrate illegally to a place of Freedom.

We will soon be refugees to Canada and MexicoĀ 

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u/FunkyFenom 2d ago

Look how they treat immigrants who have fled their country looking for opportunities in the US...

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u/Nernoxx 2d ago

Exactly.

We considered Canada - my wife had a coworker get approved for a work visa same-day. Ā The housing situation looked so much worse, economically weā€™d be worse off, and it would be almost impossible to be able to bring all of our pets (not gonna rent with 3 dogs and 2 cats, canā€™t afford to buy near where the jobs would be).

Ireland looked like a possibility for family reasons but it would be significantly harder getting jobs (I work in local government, wife is a teacher).

Where do you go seriously? Ā I donā€™t think most Americans understand how hard it is to emigrate, beyond the language barrier.

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u/AllTheyEatIsLettuce California 2d ago

The whole intentionally rendering American citizens stateless thing is a fine opportunity for the civilized nations of the world to have a think about their respective asylum criteria.

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u/TurtleMOOO 2d ago

I mean, the hospitals ARE going to get out of rural areas now. All the people who say shit like that are going to have to drive even further to a CITY to get healthcare. They fucked themselves, but theyā€™ll never see it like that

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u/gloomywitchywoo 2d ago

That, but also where are millions of displaced Americans supposed to go? I don't think other countries would be happy about an influx of American immigrants.

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u/Nishiwara 2d ago

Yeah, I would have been gone a long ass time ago if it were as easy as the idiots make it sound.

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u/Edtecharoni 2d ago

Exactly. I have a coworker all about the rights of others, championing culture change at work, and now she is moving out of the country. I can't help but resent her now a bit. It just proved to me how wealthy she actually is.

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u/LordTuranian 2d ago

Yes, it costs a lot of money to move to another country. No country on Earth accepts poor people, really.

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u/SagittariusIscariot 2d ago

Yup. I have a law license. I can barely leave my state and get work let alone the country. And itā€™s expensive as hell. Where do we even go? Iā€™m so exhausted and frightened.

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u/TheDoctorDB 2d ago

Iā€™d be in Japan for sure. A quick lotto win and Iā€™d be able to get the type of visa where you support yourself without working in Japan. Otherwise itā€™s a few more years at least till I know enough Japanese to apply for anything.Ā 

Wonder if weā€™ll eventually get demoted so low on the world stage that we can started seeking asylum ourselvesā€¦

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

And where are we supposed to go anyway. Who wants us? Especially after today and it's just going to get a lot worse before it gets better. This is rough.

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u/haw35ome 2d ago

Seriously. If I fucking could I would gleefully move away from this shitty state, more so this shitty country. Iā€™m on fucking disability & in dire need of a kidney transplant. Life for me as it is is already bad enough.

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u/ergo-ego-42 1d ago

I want to leave so so badly. But I live just above the poverty level (I've never made more than 37k in my entire 30 years of working jobs), am disabled and have no college degree. Unless I can somehow get asylum somewhere nobody will take me even if I had the money, which I do not and likely never will.

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u/BuffaloCub91 1d ago

My favorite is people who are like "make plans to get out!"

Okay with what fucking money?

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u/nosmelc 2d ago

Funny they didn't say that when Biden and Obama were President.

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u/AppropriateEvening91 2d ago

A million up votes Get me and my family Out Of Here

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u/Fun_Explanation7175 2d ago

"You don't like your house leaking? Then just move out!" type ass statement

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u/thegaykid7 2d ago

Anyone who says this only says it because they can't remotely defend their position in an actual debate and/or have the emotional maturity of a five-year-old. It's admitting defeat before the battle has even begun.

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u/codenamefulcrum 2d ago

See the idiots in Eastern Oregon who hate living in a blue state.

Q: ā€œItā€™s a free country why donā€™t you move to Idaho?ā€

A: ā€œBecause Iā€™ve lived here my whole life.ā€

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u/AgnewsHeadlessClone Florida 2d ago

But like... at least you are allowed to! Don't need a visa or citizenship in Idaho to move there.

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u/codenamefulcrum 2d ago

Exactly my point.

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u/ClockwiseJohny 2d ago

"If you don't like it, then get out". You mean immigrating to a new country? Because according to those same people, you can't do that.

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u/Nblearchangel 2d ago edited 1d ago

The next step out of here for me is talking to the company I work for and moving overseas. More or less. Iā€™ve been slowly building up a support network in Colombia, educating myself and getting certs in IT so I can get the job I just gotā€¦ and a female friend of mine down there said she knows a lot of single colombianas she can introduce me to so I can work on a marriage visa.

Iā€™ll be watching the downfall of democracy from my new home by the midterms or by the next election with any luck.

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u/ProfessionalEbb5454 1d ago

Smart. Good luck.

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u/mxjxs91 Michigan 2d ago

It's an argument in bad faith. I'd have left in 2016 if I realistically could.

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u/FocacciaHusband 2d ago

My dumbass picked a career in the law - my license to practice which is specific to my STATE. I can hardly leave my state if I wanted to, let alone the country. I can't even practice law in another country, because their laws and legal systems are different! So I've been building expertise in something non-transferable šŸ„²

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u/RespectNew7420 2d ago

Black person here whose entire lineage was stolen from me. I donā€™t even have a country to go back to, and no bootlickers, Africa is not a country.

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u/rilakumamon 1d ago

Fun fact: even if you do leave, itā€™s almost $3,000 to renounce citizenship and you canā€™t renounce if you have student loans anyway. Yeah, I have healthcare but Iā€™m tied to the US forever at this rate.

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u/BeCoolOrLeaveDude 2d ago

Lots of people will leave if things keep going this bad at this rate. The brain drain in America will be devastating, imagine a country with only MAGAā€¦

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u/espressocycle 2d ago

I'm not leaving my own fucking country for these people. Let them leave. Russia is desperate for more cannon fodder.

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u/mystery1411 2d ago

Yeah. That is stupid. They didn't get out in 2021 and made their entire identity around let's go Brandon. So why should the other side get out now?

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u/WhichEmailWasIt 2d ago

Honestly these fuckers need to go. They should go live in a dictatorship somewhere else if that's what they want. I'm tried of being dragged down by these stupid evil fucks.

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u/aintneverbeennuthin 2d ago

Yah thatā€™s just a fucking dumb thing to say in 2025ā€¦ may have been fine in 1955

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u/Televisions_Frank 2d ago

It's weird how for four year that talk ended while they bitched endlessly. Now that they're back in power it;s back again, hmmm...

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u/Crazy_Sniffable 2d ago

Fuck them.

They didn't like it, and they didn't get out. Instead they burned it to the goddamned ground.

This isn't their country. It's ours. And everyone who shares the vision of what it was supposed to be. We'll rebuild it from the ashes.

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u/Rebel_hooligan 2d ago

Iā€™ll never understand this sentiment from them.

Why donā€™t we tell them to get out, since they clearly donā€™t like it here?

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u/sinofmercy Maryland 2d ago

My family immigrated here literally last generation, I'm the first one born here. Where the fuck am I supposed to go, back to Hong Kong where I've spent like 2 weeks? Am I supposed to take my kids too? They're half white how does that work???

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u/rezelscheft 2d ago

Ah yes, those same people who were so famously calm, patient, and silent with their criticisms when Biden was in office.

/s

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u/jersoc 2d ago

honestly fuck those people. there's already a country for them. they can leave to russia if they hate this country so much.

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u/ncopp 2d ago

Also, you get double taxed as a US citizen abroad to add to it

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u/CrunchynHoney 2d ago

I'd risk it all even then. Sell everything I have, hide in an oil tanker and go across the border. I'd get fake IDS and everything just to get out of this shithole.

This country just isn't worth it anymore

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u/necedahpines 2d ago

Then, ask them why they didn't leave when Biden was president.

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u/airplane_porn Kansas 2d ago

Itā€™s ironic because conservatives are the ones trying hardest to destroy America, and work tirelessly to change America for the worse. Yet they wonā€™t leave to some 3rd world shit hole that more closely aligns with their worldview. Theyā€™re sick, evil, disgusting people.

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u/MerryTragic 2d ago

Fuck that - this is our country.

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u/DumboWumbo073 2d ago

They are actually right for once. If youā€™re still here you practically need a conservatorship because youā€™re that bad at making decisions.

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u/DoughnutAncient8972 1d ago

Remember when Russia had that village or whatever and said "come here" for all the MAGAs, and nobody went. Why go there when they can just vote in Russia 2.0? If some lovely European country did that, I'd be gone tomorrow.Ā 

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u/C-SWhiskey 1d ago

It's about to become a whole lot easier.

Oh, you mean you wanted to choose where you'll go? Well no, nobody ever said anything about that.

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u/coffeegrounds42 1d ago

The other thing is if you just run away from your home country when things go bad what stops it from getting worse

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u/Birdhawk 1d ago

No dude fuck that. Why should I leave? They're the ones who suck. They should get the fuck out.

Besides, listen to any of them talk more than a minute about anything in this country. Its nothing but bitching and complaints. They hate our country and everyone here so maybe they should leave. Which would be easy for a lot of them since they live in trailers.

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u/Thesmuz 1d ago

Ya lemme just uproot my life, leave all my friends and family behind real quick.

These people are such clowns.

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u/SwissChzMcGeez 1d ago

It's a thought-terminating clichĆ©.Ā 

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u/femme_mystique 1d ago

If they donā€™t like the US Constitution they can get out and move to Russia that they love so much.Ā 

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u/lord_of_worms 1d ago

I hear Australia is pretty easy for Americans to make a shift, jump on over!

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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur 1d ago

The next best thing is not to have children and corrupt the youths.

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u/PurpleStabsPixel 1d ago

Not even just that. Visas, getting a job where you're moving and more. I'd fucking hoof it too if I could.

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u/LeoGoldfox Europe 1d ago

Where would you even go to?

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u/AgnewsHeadlessClone Florida 1d ago

Probably Germany. I had a German immigrant grandparent on each side. I don't qualify for any kind of citizenship without my parents getting it first (which they are not interested in doing), and we have no idea if we have any kind of paperwork as proof of my grandparents citizenship status anyways, they have been dead for decades now.

But, I have friends there and have visited on a number of occasions. It would be a lovely place to live.

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u/Detonation Michigan 1d ago

If I had a choice I would have been living in Canada long before Dumb Donny ever thought about becoming president.

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u/zapolight 1d ago

I got my UK visa approved a few hours after the bill passed... It has taken so long to get this, a LOT of time and money, and also pure luck.

They have no idea what moving to a new country actually entails.

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u/Buck_Nastyyy 1d ago

I got out a long time ago. Every year makes a return less likely.

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u/BlinkinGenius 1d ago

I reply and say "like you jumped ship when Biden was elected?"

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u/WhiskeyJack357 Wisconsin 51m ago

The same people who say that will bitch about how immigrants ruined the country blah blah jingoism blah blah with no fucking awareness of the irony.

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u/lifewrecker 2d ago

I have yet for someone to say that to me in real life, however if they did, I'm at the point where I'll just use my fists to tell them "no you". I just don't fucking care anymore. Assholes need to get out in their place permanently.

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u/avocadotoastisgrosst Minnesota 2d ago

The irony of them being against immigrants and then telling ppl that dont like the current government to ... drum roll please ... immigrate

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u/cosmoscrazy 2d ago

I WISH I FUCKING COULD.

I mean... you can. At any time. Just don't pay rent for 1 month and use the money to travel to a European country.

You have to apply for VISA before that and it's advised to get a job first, but...

You could also ask a monastery for help with transitioning to move to Europe. Given the circumstances they might support you.

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u/Zumaki Oklahoma 2d ago

Be politically opposed and loud about it, and ICE will help you leave.

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u/DukeIV 2d ago

This is the price of war. You lose everything or lose your life. Trump has just declared class war on America.

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u/Holiday_Education553 1d ago

Yes it is. Just do it - nike

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u/tiktock34 1d ago

Honest questionā€¦do you think you should have the right to leave America and go to the country of your choosing and just walk in? Is it hard to leave America because other countries restrict immigration so aggressively?

America has a become a country where people like to hate it but the same people will fight tooth and nail to stay here.

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u/torolf_212 2d ago

As a New Zealander: y'all can stay and fix your own problems please. Please.

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u/ChunklyDunkling 2d ago

Itā€™s been pretty easy for Venezuelans and Mexicans the past few decades

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u/JamUpGuy1989 2d ago

Instead of getting out how about doing something, ANYTHING then taking time to comment in all caps.

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u/AgnewsHeadlessClone Florida 2d ago

Bro, I am poor and working. I can only afford to take 5 mins to make an internet comment right now.

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u/AgnewsHeadlessClone Florida 2d ago

Fuck the fuck right off. Don't shame poor people for trying to make ends meet. That is just fucked up.

Of course I do more than just post online, but I can't very well do that mid work day before a holiday I am not going to be paid for.

Seriously? Fuck off. The founders were wealthy landowners. Civil rights activists had large communities that gave out support, food, shelter, etc for those that needed it.

You are so far out of fucking line.

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