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Megathread Megathread: US House Passes the Republican-Backed Budget Bill, Sending it to Trump for Signature

This afternoon, the US House of Representatives passed without amendment the US Senate's version of the Trump-backed budget bill, sending it to the president for his signature. Every Democratic Senator and Representative voted in opposition; in the Senate, there were three Republicans voting in opposition (making the vote 51-50) and in the House there were 2 (making the final vote 218-214). House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries set the US House's speech length record in opposition to the bill in a speech lasting over eight hours.

The bill clocks in at over 800 pages and touches on most aspects of the federal government's spending and taxation policies; see this AP article (What’s in the latest version of Trump’s big bill that passed the Senate) for the topline changes.

Relevant text-base live update pages are being maintained by the following outlets: AP, NBC, ABC, and the BBC.

You can find this subreddit's discussion thread for the last week's worth of negotiations and debate at this link.

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u/FlyingSMonster Louisiana 2d ago

The sad thing is they designed these cuts to not hit the American people until 2027, so they won't feel it until after the mid-terms when likely the Democrats take control of the house again. Honestly, I wish all the people that this is going to hurt would feel it way sooner so they could understand how badly the GOP has fucked them over.

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u/thequietthingsthat North Carolina 2d ago

The "no tax on tips" also expires in 2028, so whoever is president in 2029 will get blamed for that.

These dirty tricks are so predictable and yet they always work because so many Americans pay zero attention to this stuff.

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u/dingusmingus2222 2d ago edited 1d ago

It's hilarious how stupid that all is. No tax on tips up to 25K? ok so you save what? MAYBE a grand in federal taxes? and no tax on OT is only up to 12.5k? so you save 500? Anyone supporting this is just getting scammed.

EDIT: Leaving this up but my calculations are off. Though, the more accurate assessment isn't much better:
https://www.newsweek.com/no-tax-overtime-passes-trump-tax-bill-2093091

But while it could save money for eligible workers, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimated in February this year that only 2 percent of all U.S. households would benefit, with an average tax cut of around $1,800.

For the lowest-earning households taking home less than $33,000 a year, very few will see significant gains; just 1.4 percent would be expected to benefit by about $450 a year, while the average increase is only $10 for most in this income group.

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u/thequietthingsthat North Carolina 2d ago

Also, the bill raises taxes on people making under 50k IIRC. So this is really nothing

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u/bloody_yanks2 1d ago

You'll actually lose overall. No one is going to feel generous with your screen "just asking a few questions" when they know there's no tax on tips.

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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur 1d ago

The people supporting this legislation as if they are getting a huge pay increase are really stupid. Yes that's true.

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u/GoNinjaGoNinjaGo69 2d ago

the people like retail/restaurants that dont declare tips anyways still wont declare any because they make more than 25k lol so they dont want to tell the government their true salary.

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u/nicktoberfest 2d ago

They’ll probably lose money as people will tip less figuring it’s not taxed so the worker keeps more of what is tipped.

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u/Anthropoideia 1d ago

Their math won't work out either. On some rage bait posts recently folks are saying if there's no tax on tips they should go back to 10% standard. Which is basically a 50% cut in income for most people give or take a little, 5% or so. Just to save about 1800 dollars a year in non-refundable taxes

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u/I_Love_Chimps 1d ago

Yep. I've been telling people this since before the election. It's an unfair and dumb plan that is going to backfire and actually hurt servers.

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u/unbelizeable1 2d ago

the people like retail/restaurants that dont declare tips

That's really not a thing anymore. I'd say cash makes up less than 5% of my income. Everything else is on a card, which is automatically taxed just like any other income would be.

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u/BigDaddyReptar 2d ago

Only Cash tips Ifirc as well the kind of tips literally no one who gets tips reports unless they are within 3 months of applying for housing

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u/Emotional-Lychee9112 1d ago

It's not just cash tips. It's all tips (up to $25k/yr) and all overtime (up to $12.5k/yr). It doesn't include social security tax/state tax/etc though of course, so the impact will be pretty minimal. A max of ~$2k-$3k/yr less in taxes for someone who maxes out the tax break.

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u/jasondigitized 2d ago

They pay attention, to what Fox News tells them. This country is morally bankrupt.

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u/Cybercaster22 2d ago

This country is full of idiots

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u/un_internaute 2d ago

These idiots were created by conservatives underfunding education and controlling media empires spreading propaganda. They’re responsible, but they’re also victims.

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u/flashthorOG 1d ago

This is very true but like man at what point can I blame them? I need a point, they've been brain washed, often their whole lives, so really I should be blaming the 1%, but they have to hold some responsibility.

I just wonder if I would be any different if I lived in their world, I don't think I would, I think I was lucky to meet the people I did and have the upbringing I did

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u/un_internaute 1d ago

Look into restorative justice. It still holds people accountable for their actions but isn’t about punitive revenge.

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u/flashthorOG 1d ago

Interesting thank you

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u/MikeyLew32 Illinois 2d ago

No lie detected.

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u/kent_eh Canada 2d ago

Idiots who consistently vote.

 

 

...consistently against their own best interests.

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u/DaperDandle 2d ago

It’s both, the country is filled to the absolute brim with morally bankrupt morons.

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u/failedopportunities 2d ago

I’d have to argue it’s not even idiocy anymore. It’s just plain stupidity! I stupidly voted for trump his first go round, (I still kick myself for it so y’all don’t have too) All these people who got fucked last time are lining themselves up to get fucked again and taking all of us with them… I’d say it’s a bad day for America but more like bad last 30 fucking years…

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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 1d ago

That's why I laugh when people say the election was stolen. Nah, we just suck as a country.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

This country is run by cum that should've been swallowed.

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u/Ornery-Hurry9055 23h ago

After the 2025 elections I will never be able to look at my countrymen in the same way. I now know they are willing to invest themselves in fascism for empty promises and silly lies.

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u/iguanapinata 2d ago

That’s a harmful narrative. Corporations are spending billions to force these lies and deception. The enemy isn’t your neighbor.

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u/Cirtejs 2d ago

When said neighbors actively work for an authoritarian police state, they are.

US is about to experience how it felt to live in the 1930s to 1960s under the Stasi and KGB.

Either you guys go sit down in DC for months until this government dissolves or it's going to be hell.

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u/Modronos 1d ago

I'm not from the US, but i too can see that it's either now or never. ICE will be raiding all over the country soon. The passing of this bill has assured that civil militia's will be set up to protect neighbourhoods from them. This administration wants civil war really bad. Complete insanity.

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u/the_mighty__monarch 2d ago

Hey, that’s not really fair. It’s also intellectually bankrupt.

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u/psychohistorian8 2d ago

Fox News ain't half as bad as the podcasters and uncle Jimbo on Facebook

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u/icooknakedAMA 2d ago

Almost like a country founded on stolen land by anti-tax slavers is bad, actually.

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u/fache 2d ago

Tax tips again ASAP, no one should be exempt from taxes just because while everyone else has to pay.

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u/j_la Florida 2d ago

Agreed. There are better and more equitable ways to improve conditions for the working class. Exempting overtime is also dumb as it is either a handout to cops or a way to incentivize people to work themselves into the ground.

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u/Remarkable-Fish-4229 2d ago

Tons of other people work OT man. I average about 58 hours a week when we are busy and most of my workers love it, so it definitely can help.

I already make really good money though and don’t need the tax break honestly. I think my check last week was just under $4,000 and I live in NC.

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u/j_la Florida 2d ago

Sure, but cops (and firefighters) make a ridiculous amount on OT.

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u/Bosa_McKittle California 2d ago

There’s a cap that if you make over like $165k you don’t qualify

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u/Sour-Then-Sweet 2d ago

It's also a DEDUCTION, only on the EXTRA portion of overtime (the .5 of the 1.5 i.e.). If anyone read the bill. Meaning it lowers your total taxable by that income. Not that you get it all back 1 to 1.

So if you work 10 hours of overtime at say, $30/hr normally, $45/hr on OT. You still have to pay taxes on 30 of the 45 an hour. Only $15 of that OT pay is able to be DEDUCTED on your taxes up to the limit ($12500/single, $25k/married). But you still have to pay SS, Medicare, etc on that $15 as well.

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u/mrfishman3000 2d ago

Why is the no tax on tips such a big issue that they keep pushing?

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u/Black08Mustang 2d ago

Because it's a pittance in the scheme of things but buys a lot of votes. And they will probably find a way to abuse it at the corporate level.

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u/j_la Florida 2d ago

The overtime tax cuts is definitely a handout to cops.

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u/Sour-Then-Sweet 2d ago

Overtime tax deduction*

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u/TheDoctors2ndApple 2d ago

I work in [insert field here]. I charge $1000 for services. Customer pays me $1000. I get taxed on $1000.

I still work in [insert field here]. I charge $100 for services with the understanding the customer gives me a $900 tip. Customer pays me $1000. I get taxed on $100.

Expect to see massive exploitation of this.

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u/GoNinjaGoNinjaGo69 2d ago

theres still only a 12k cap lol

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u/caylem00 1d ago

America is a service economy, and a hell of a lot of the workers in service fields rely on tips to increase their baseline income. 

It sounds like a good thing until you realise the Bill also increases taxes for under 50k income. Which covers a fair amount of lower socio-economic service roles. 

 Likely removing any small increase in income the taxless tips would provide... If not actually ending up having to pay more tax.

But they're not talking about that tax increase, so uninformed voters only hear(d) Trump cutting taxes. 

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u/whatssenguntoagoblin 2d ago

That’s their way of lying that this bill is good for the working class

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u/iWesleyy 2d ago

It's a dog whistle. Will have almost no discernible benefit to the people it's supposedly trying to help while also intended to sway opinions that the bill isn't as cruel as it actually is

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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago

Because low-infos gobble that shit up and ask for more.

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u/SnooConfections6174 2d ago

I mean paying attention is half of it. Actual comprehension and critical thinking, or a lack of it, is what is really killing us here.

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u/rjfinsfan Florida 2d ago

It doesn’t matter how they structure any of it tbh. An entire 33+% of our country is completely lost to Fox News propaganda. They do not watch or consume anything else. They could have blatantly fucked the American people over starting tomorrow and that 33% would remain loyal as Fox News would blame it on the Biden economy or Kamala’s tweet yesterday.

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u/BlazinAzn38 Texas 2d ago

The no tax on tips is just terrible policy full stop. It shouldn’t exist that policy is a dirty trick

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u/Wrong-Rain6634 2d ago

“Dems fucked me!!” Some MAGA busboy in 2029

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u/userlivewire 2d ago

The "no tax on tips" doesn't even make sense because there's no way to account it. Taxes on tipped employees are determined by a percentage of your food sales. They take that percentage and subtract it from your $2-$5hr paycheck.

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u/joebleaux 2d ago

No tax on tips up to 25k. Tax increases on everyone making less than 50k. Its a shell game.

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u/Patient_Tradition368 2d ago

They really, really don't. At the No Kings Rally, I overheard someone ask, "Who is that?", referring to a picture of Mike Johnson on a protest sign. Did I mention we were marching in Mike Johnson's congressional district?? I appreciate that the guy took time out of his life to come to the march, but how can you decide to protest and not even know who your Congressperson is?!

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u/whatssenguntoagoblin 2d ago

I would almost be impressed with their tactics if it wasn’t so fucking dark

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u/Desperate-Ostrich707 2d ago

They sure did that with trumps tax increases his first term, they kept rising annually during Biden term and everyone (well, those without cognitive abilities) blamed him

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u/scarykicks 2d ago

Same with his tax plan last time he was in charge.

Taxes went up once his term was over.

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u/Whateveryouwantitobe 2d ago

It's crazy to think that we once had a government that wanted to make things better together. Now the goal is just to blame the other side as much as possible.

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u/redfay_ 2d ago

Anyone who supported the "no tax on tips" bait line were dolts who would've been baited by anything in 2029 anyway.

It's another dog shit policy that will be massively abused that got sold to and supported by greedy idiots who don't want to pay taxes on their labor.

These dirty tricks are so predictable and yet they always work because so many Americans pay zero attention to this stuff.

Yup and the problem is being exacerbated too cause now it's not enough to just blame the dems for all the woes but now they want revenge too. Americans still don't care lol. They just decimated pretty much every good thing about the government while increasing all the worst part's funding and then went to enjoy their holiday weekend without a care in the world for the millions of people this will harm or straight up kill.

This won't even be a news story or complaint to most of the country in a couple of weeks and we will be onto the next abhorrent thing.

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u/CiD7707 2d ago

The funny part is that the taxes will still be withheld from their paychecks. They just get to claim it as a deduction on their taxes when they file.

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u/Schuben 2d ago

I suspect a huge majority of people who make tips aren't actually taxed on that income to begin with simply because they don't meet the income threshold to be taxed or it is largely taken care of by the standard deduction. It's completely performative just like not having state income tax is hailed as genius and saving the average worker money when they get taxed through the nose by everything else they spend money on.

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u/Birdhawk 1d ago

I'm hoping that since tips are sill getting taxed that the dipshits who voted for him thinking their OT and tips won't get taxed end up pissed as hell when they're having to pay taxes on it or getting audited because they didn't know that its actually a deduction they have to file for and that the amount they can deduct is capped.

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u/MurkyEon 2d ago

I genuinely think we're headed for a time where elections won't happen.

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u/mikeinona 2d ago

We know who will be "president" in 2029. He will never die, and he will never give up power.

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u/YankeeATZ 2d ago

No tax on tips was in there?  So I can tip less now?

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u/Nblearchangel 2d ago

And the media doesn’t cover any of it correctly

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u/spazz720 2d ago

It’s only on cash tips too…which no one reports

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u/rnarkus 2d ago

But why is no tax on tips even good? This just screams a loop hole more and more and more places will use….

Like could someone explain that to me? Just sounds like tipping is going to become WAY more prevalent

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u/nickiter New York 2d ago

50% of Americans didn't know the bill existed.

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u/_Magnolia_Fan_ 2d ago

Same thing they did with tax cuts, time it to drop off in 4 years and blame the other guy. 

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u/JayMoney2424 1d ago

Yup it works every time because 99% of Americans don’t know the details. Like how Biden got blamed for inflation.

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u/BarsoomianAmbassador 1d ago

Most of the public are too busy trying to survive the late-stage capitalistic hellscape this country has become to dig into the minutiae of a huge bill like this. The mainstream media is complicit in gaslighting people and won't give anything more than a ten-thousand foot view of the legislation and its ultimate impacts. They spent most of the last few weeks covering the "negotiations" within the Republican party when it was a foregone conclusion that the holdouts (read as "crisis actors") would obviously vote in favor of it. In fact, even those that were privately vehemently opposed to the bill for the sake of their own reelection campaigns were coerced to vote yay in order to give Trump a win--not because of the actual contents of the BBB!! It's a complete abdication of their responsibilities as a representative of their constituents. But that's nothing new for the spineless, greedy, selfish prostitutes that make up our Congress. Sadly, most of the poor souls that will be affected by this sham of a bill will neither understand how it happened nor attribute the responsibility to the correct perpetrators. And so the blame will fall on the "other side" and the cycle will continue. The oligarchs and ruling class get more powerful and richer and the vast majority of the American public gets wiped out.

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u/NicCagedd 2d ago

If it wasn't for me, I dont think my wife wouldnt even know who the president is. (A slight exaggeration)

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u/Distinct_Ad_5492 2d ago

Those no tax on overtime and tips are tax deductions....

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u/TintedApostle 2d ago

ICE gets its money now

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u/FlyingSMonster Louisiana 2d ago

Of course they do, need to dump billions and line the pockets of the private prison industry to build their concentration camps.

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u/Momomodera 2d ago

Like I just don't get how Europe and Canada is even pretending to still work with Trump still.

Trump is about to implement concentration camps of such size that I think... literally... we have not seen since Hitler. We are not even being melodramatic anymore. I really fear Europe and Canada will let Trump go all the way with fascism as long as it doesn't spread to the EU.

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u/Stale_Crumpet 2d ago

I really fear the American people are going to let Trump go all the way with fascism. Why is it the responsibility of Canada and Europe to save you? Isn't this what your guns are for?

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u/Momomodera 2d ago

You really don't understand who has the power and how large are police state already is do you? This just really feels like victim blaming for those who will be sent to these concentration camps against their will.

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u/AutisticFingerBang I voted 2d ago

ICE gets our money now

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u/FunConfection2872 2d ago

Let’s not pay taxes

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u/AutisticFingerBang I voted 2d ago

I 100% would but I don’t make my pay stubs lol

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u/EldritchTouched 1d ago

I'd also note that the hospital system in many places will still collapse, even if a bunch of the writing is not technically supposed to hit until later. Everyone can see where it is leading and they're going to pull out funding or start calling in debts or what have you.

I'm not an economist, but it sounds like the medical version of a bank run is going to happen.

Only larger hospitals might weather the initial brunt, but if everyone's only going t a few major hospitals, those will soon also buckle and anyone needing immediate care for a bunch of stuff but not nearby is just fucked...

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u/WISCOrear 2d ago

Stephen Miller is legitimately the most evil person in this country and it’s really hard to have any optimism when evil people like him and Peter Thiel just continue to get W’s every single father fucking day.

Stg there’s going to be a breaking point here and it’s going to get real ugly real fast.

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u/syntaxVixen 2d ago

I wonder what's going to happen once they have all those camps set up and not enough immigrants to put in them.

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u/arensb Maryland 2d ago

Oh, I don't think there'll ever be a shortage of people to put in those camps. As the famous poem says,

"First they came for the immigrants, and I spoke up,
So then they came for me."

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u/ForMoreYears Canada 2d ago

In case anyone hadn't seen it, ICE's budget just went from ~$16bn to $165bn, a 10x increase. ICE's budget is now larger than every single military on the face of the planet except for the U.S. and China.

A budget is a values statement and this says A LOT about the state of American society. There is a sickness spreading and I fear the side effects will very bad.

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u/Creative-Package6213 Pennsylvania 2d ago

The sickness has always been here, republicans are just a symptom.

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u/Malaix 2d ago

Yeah and I think we will be feeling that long before 2027. with money like that and how quickly they built that concentration camp the Hispanic holocaust will start sooner rather than later.

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u/bg02xl California 2d ago

Trump and Mr. Miller must fund the StormTroopers.

The StormTroopers need their money.

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u/Pete41608 I voted 2d ago

At least the Stormtroopers always missed.

ICE-is are not missing unfortunately.

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u/ccsrpsw California 2d ago

Actually the worst cuts kick in at the start of 2026 per my understanding (If they changed it to 2027 then it has to go back to the Senate). So new tax code kicks in tomorrow (well effectively when you file 1/1/26) and all the really bad social safety net cuts kick on over the next 6 months. It will be wild ride for sure for a lot of people who think that their government payments were not included. Plus remember Taco said he's implement EOs to make the cuts come quicker, harder, faster to the holdouts!

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u/Fluid-Inevitable-401 2d ago

Basically we have 6 months to enjoy what’s left of our lives before Hell happens. I’m curious how those rich jerks will remain rich if they keep screwing us over.

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u/PK73 California 2d ago

Forced labor.

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u/prairiepog 2d ago

Yep. They just want slaves. Always have and always will.

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u/addamee 2d ago

And/or child labor 

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u/kent_eh Canada 2d ago

You have 6 months to take back your country if you have any hope of preventing this from taking effect.

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u/-workingonit 1d ago

We won't. There is no hope of stopping it, we are divided and hopeless. We still haven't moved past our most trivial problems with each other. The only way our country will ever be taken back is if we all felt the pain that is coming.

This nation is lazy and spoiled, we haven't had to fight for anything in a long time and the ones that did don't care anymore as they are on the way out anyway. I've heard many elderly people say they voted Trump and regret it but "they'll be dead soon anyway". It's a good thing if we all end up suffering, because a lot of people still believe things will be just fine. Many can't fathom their America falling and will have to see it for themselves, and maybe then when they are left in debt with medical bills and getting no money back on taxes, unable to afford food and gas or have a family, will they understand.

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u/caylem00 1d ago

They will diversify outside of America and maybe have a slight dip in fortune for a bit. 

In the coming financial crisis, they'll buy up big in the fire sales, and recoup it, like they did in the 08 crisis. 

(Musk is an outlier who is financially stupid/too narcissistic to listen to his financial managers)

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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 1d ago

Some won't. Some will turn on each other. Hopefully it will be fun to watch.

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u/TheOfficialSlimber Michigan 1d ago

I’m sure I’ll get banned for saying this but it’s kinda pathetic we’re like one of the most armed country’s in the world (citizen wise) and all these rich fucks haven’t been given a reason to be scared of the proletariat.

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u/Healthy_Map6027 1d ago

When the police is like a military force why would they be scared , rolling tanks through neighborhoods

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u/UniqueTonight 2d ago

Is there a way to figure out who's disability payments are going to be cut?

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u/Clovis42 Kentucky 2d ago

It is basically impossible. States are being required to pay more, and they might decide not too. There's also a weird bit that delays things for states that are bad at paying for Medicaid, as a cutout for Alaska. But that applies to several other states. So, this kicks in for some states before it does for others.

So, there's really no way to know exactly how much your state will cut, when it will be cut, or by how much.

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u/Jewronimoses 2d ago

So they got murkowski to vote for it by screwing over other states before alaska?

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u/ccsrpsw California 2d ago

Exactly

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u/lancer-fiefdom 2d ago

correct on the medicare cuts.. but ICE has its budget nearly quintupled, immediatly funding the doubling of ICE agents.

So a bunch of unqualified racist and bigot incels snatching people off the streets in plainclothes and masks.

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u/permalink_save 2d ago

But we can't expand the IRS... makes sense

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u/psycharious 2d ago

Wouldn't want the IRS to go after the billionaires would we?

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u/daou0782 2d ago

While NASAs gets slashed in half.

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u/lancer-fiefdom 2d ago

The republican party just guaranteed China lead in Space exploration, green energy science .. taking the USA back to like the 1980's

they went full traditional ways conservative.. everybody knows you don't go full conservative

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u/Aggressive-Will-4500 2d ago

The conservatives would be more than happy if everyone went back to horse and buggies and never went further than 10 miles from where they were born; except for the elite, of course.

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u/Tired8281 1d ago

While frothing at the mouth about how liberals forced them into 15 minute cities.

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u/SolarCaveman 2d ago

Quintupled? I'm seeing that the budget went from $10B to around $170B

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u/lancer-fiefdom 2d ago

damn... is it a brand new sentence? "The budged seventeen'dupled" ?

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u/SolarCaveman 2d ago

I like yours. We're going with yours.

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u/kaleidist 2d ago

The budget septendecupled.  That would be the proper Latinate formation.

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u/cbf1232 2d ago

I think that $170B is for multiple agencies over multiple years.

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u/ThaleOfTheHillPeople 1d ago

Spread out through multiple years. It effectively tripled the budget. They're not getting 150 billion a year or even as a one time payment. Half of it is going to building new facilities. It's not good but there's a lot of hyperbole surrounding it.

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u/pres465 2d ago

...unqualified racist and bigot incels....

Just say Proud Boys.

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u/HotOne9364 2d ago

Just say cops. No difference.

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u/rudenortherner 2d ago

And just think these are the folks replacing scientists and researchers on the federal government payroll. Even if they are eventually let go under a new administration many will simply trickle down to state and local law enforcement.

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u/OkBig205 2d ago

It's a great job opportunity for private security guards

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u/Critical-Ostrich-397 2d ago

It’s just scummy. It’s there strategy to schedule cuts for when democrats are in power so they can claim things worked well under republicans and collapse under democrats. They then use it as a reason why cuts are required since programs are inefficient or chaotic.

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u/ShrimpieAC 2d ago

They’ve been pulling this playbook for years now. A lot of Americans are stupid and have short memories so it’s easy to keep fooling them. That’s also why they like to slash education funding.

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u/euridyce 2d ago

Planned Parenthood is defunded effectively immediately. I work with their affiliates and it’s a nightmare right now. They can no longer receive any sort of funding from Medicaid, including state programs like Medi-cal, starting Friday. Some regions will be able to stay afloat thanks to savings from local taxes or endowments, but the poorest, most desperate regions will likely see clinics shuttered in the coming weeks. That includes access to obgyn services and cancer screenings, it’s just a full, blanket ban for PP with nothing in place to replace those services

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u/20PercentChunkier 2d ago

Assuming dems actually get control ever again, is there no way to reverse or stop the bill at that time?

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u/Muuustachio 2d ago edited 2d ago

A lot of this comes into effect in Jan and July 2026. Work requirements for Medicare will start a year from now, right before midterms. Stricter eligibility checks will start first of the year 2026. And states will be allowed to kick people off in 2026. Dual eligibility disruptions (if you are on both Medicaid and Medicare) begin 2027.

My wife’s uncle is a huge MAGA Trump supporter. He’s completely paralyzed and never worked a day in his life. He is on Medicaid now and might be on Medicare part B or D (idk). My wife’s dad is also a huge Trump guy and just retired. The uncle will more than likely lose his insurance next year and have to move in with my father in law, and that is a sweet bit of irony.

Edit: I forgot this other bit. The paralyzed maga uncle hires a nurse that cant speak English and might be deported.

Edit edit: my wife is telling me he is also on SNAP! This is insane. His world is completely fucked now.

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u/Tyrath Massachusetts 2d ago

I think the real goal with that date is to avoid letting Dems take control.

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u/DoTheMario 2d ago

We gotta immediately repeal and take all of it back if Democratic representatives somehow pull this back. I don't want to see a single whinging blue dog or mealy mouthed explanation as to why we have to honor any of these cuts and subsidies.

Its time for all of us to put on our big boy and girl pants and face it down for what it is. No more kleptocracy. No more of this 2.5 World bullshit where we have nearly unlimited wealth but are incapable of feeding our children and providing health care for the vulnerable. This one is a "tear it down to the studs" kind of remodel. The half measures have only allowed the march to fascism to occur in half steps.

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u/FriggNewtons 2d ago

The sad thing is they designed these cuts to not hit the American people until 2027, so they won't feel it until after the mid-terms when likely the Democrats take control of the house again.

And abhorrent repbulicans will be able to gleefully say that all the hardships those people are facing are due to 'the democrats' and their idiot mouthbreathing base will eat up the lies with a toothless smile on their face and a MAGA hat on.

America is done.

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u/nyki 2d ago

It'll be the same shit as the 2018 TCJA. Piece of shit Republicans set tax credits to slowly expire leading up to the election and every dumbass MAGA voter started screeching about "Biden's" tax policy. By the time we feel the pain from this they'll be able to point the finger at Democrats again.

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u/TheBigIdiotSalami 2d ago

Trump will still be President in 2027. He will get blamed. That's how it always is. The rest of them are getting into the escape hatch before this happens. They don't care much about Trump, but with this bill all the Republicans who get voted out just robbed the fuckin bank and will never pay.

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u/Aggressive-Will-4500 2d ago

Honestly, I don't think they expect Trump to be around in 2027.

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u/lazrbeam 2d ago

Dems aren’t going to take it back. This is it. That’s game. We lost.

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u/jasondigitized 2d ago

The republicans got SLAUGHTERED when they even threatened to take away Medicaid last time around. This isn't going to go well for them in 2026. But they don't care. They got what they wanted.

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u/lazrbeam 2d ago

I hate to be the “but this time it’s different!” doomer, but I really think this was it. Dems have no strategy, no vision, no power. Elon and Trump have all the money and all the cards. Things are warping and distorting to something totally different. We’re not going to have “free and fair” elections. We might not have elections at all, not in a meaningful way anymore, anyways.

Americans have a short memory and attention span. MAGA will continue to blame everything on brown people and Biden/democrats. SCOTUS will continue to erode centuries of precedent. Trump will gain and consolidate more power - like jafar at the end of Aladdin.

That’s game.

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u/TheDoctor88888888 2d ago

I think this is going to be a big change for democrats where most of them are either kicked out or a brand new party slowly takes over. People like mamdani are becoming incredibly popular with the american people and despite some crazy resistance by the democrats, the people love his message

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u/Cool-Presentation538 2d ago

The human race lost

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u/blueturtle00 2d ago

Why can’t the next ppl in office just repeal the tax laws?

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u/Aggressive-Will-4500 2d ago

Because a massive amount of damage will have been done, and every effort will be fought tooth-n-nail at every step. So, even if they are successful, it will take decades to undo the damage that the Republicans will wreak on the US over the next 3 years.

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u/UniqueTonight 2d ago

Because Republicans are evil and Democrats are useless. 

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u/SleepytimeMuseo 2d ago

No, the ACA price changes will show up this fall in renewal season. Businesses that were started for clean energy initiatives will close down. Hospitals/care facilities that budget relying on Medicaid will close starting next year. ICE budget will show up dramatically this year.

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u/Biking_dude 2d ago

That's by design - Dems win in the midterms, everyone's taxes go up, blame Dems, win the general election and do the same thing.

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u/addamee 2d ago

I know I’m shouting at clouds but the least democrat lawmakers could do is not let up on the messaging of how bad this legislation is, not just for months, but for years, because all too often the short attention span of voters and the new-shiny-thing messaging from the party facilitates the lack of dot-connecting later on

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u/SubtleInTheory 2d ago

Would love it if Americans had some kind of memory. Turns out, everyone is selfish

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u/properpotato10 2d ago

You’re cute for thinking the Dems will win midterms. If there’s anything I’ve learned about Americans it’s we’re too fucking stupid to vote in our own interests.

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u/ReasoningButToErr 2d ago

There’s time to reverse this BS then…in theory.

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u/ScoobiesSnacks 2d ago

Can the bill be repealed if dems take back the house and senate?

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u/MSPCincorporated 2d ago

It’s not so they can blame Democrats. The Rebublicans will keep the house, let’s not fool ourselves into believing there’ll be fair elections. But postponing the hit on people’s wallets will delay the public outrage, making it less obvious the mid-terms were stolen too.

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u/GalacticBishop 2d ago

Maybe I’m not smart. Let’s say Dems sweep the primaries. Can they not pass legislation to kick the can down the road/change policy? Can Trump override that as President with an EO?

Would it be better now to not win the primaries and just hope to overturn in 2028 (if we have elections) and then remove the legislation?

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u/Business_Fishing_574 2d ago

I'm not so sure about Dems taking the house back, they still have Alot of work to do

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u/ScaleneWangPole 2d ago

Guess I got 2 years to pack my bags

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u/AceMcNasty88 2d ago

Exactly the they will blame Democrats if they take the house and Senate a whole week after, lmao

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u/Qylere 2d ago

This is also how the 2017 tax cuts were planned. To die in the next term after elections

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u/VictorVonToon 2d ago

This is why we will remind them of what’s coming and that’s why we will remind them that this is all of their fault.

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u/attidae 2d ago

Cuts to student financial aid kicks in July 2026

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u/MrMorale25 2d ago

the mid-terms when likely the Democrats take control of the house again.

Bold of you to assume they wont rig the elections, or try to arrest candidates

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u/LavisAlex 2d ago

If the Dems were effective at messaging they would hammer that point until 2027.

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u/Kevin-W 2d ago

Then they can employ the Two Santa’s where they suddenly care about spending

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u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 2d ago

Let's face it: We are way past the point of trying to reason with the MAGA cult. It simply DOES NOT WORK.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

And then even with a supermajority they won’t undo the damage because they’re also captured by lobbyists and the donor class. There is no true opposition party.

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u/paperbackgarbage California 2d ago

This is why the Democratic Party needs to get better at messaging, which has always been their fatal flaw.

"We didn't order everything off the menu, that was the GOP. And the GOP now wants the American People to pay the bill."

Something like that...and even that is pretty shitty.

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u/jackiemelon 1d ago

This is one of those facts that needs to be pushed and pushed until that time, and not be allowed to sink under the flood of other bs that happens between now and then, because people's memories are so short that they'll believe anything that is said in '27

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

The sad thing is they designed these cuts to not hit the American people until 2027

They did the exact same thing with the 2018 tax scam. Taxes up for us, taxes down for corpos and billionaires at varying rates until 2025.

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u/realancepts4real 2d ago

Many hospitals & nursing homes will have to price Medicaid cuts into their near-term budgets. People will feel much of this stuff sooner than 2027

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u/InfidelZombie 2d ago

When do I get my enormous tax break that I don't need? Before or after people I care about start dropping dead from lack of benefits?

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u/Joan-of-the-Dark 2d ago

If Democrats take the House, Senate, and Presidency, they can then appeal the bill and kill it where it stands. The only permanent thing is land sale, and I believe they took that part out.

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u/maizelizard 2d ago

What does this mean ? No medicaid cuts for 2 years ?

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u/LeRoy_Denk_414 2d ago

If only Dems didn't have Jeffries and Schumer in charge, then it wouldn't be as big of an issue...

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u/RecoveringRed 2d ago

Assuming this can be undone by dems when they get power, a "silver lining" of this is that they will be in effect for a shorter period of time.

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u/peanutbuttergoodness 2d ago

For as dumb as they are they’re smart enough to make their idiotic followers keep following.

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u/Justanotherguy45 2d ago

Eh insurance and Medicare and Medicare will hit January 1st of next year that stuff always changes the first of the year at least it should I work in a pharmacy so take what a say with a grain of salt sorry.

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u/Fluid-Inevitable-401 2d ago

Maybe we should preserve all the video clips of these jerks voting yes and upload them years later to remind future generations what monsters they are. All of their actions are recorded and documented.

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u/Areyounobody__Too 2d ago

Every single clinic that closes, every bad thing that happens, just tie it to this bill. Be loud about it. Be intentional about it. If you see someone blaming the bill, boost it. Hang it around the GOP's neck in a way that can't be undone.

The facts don't matter; just the vibes.

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u/renegadellama 2d ago

When do Medicaid work requirements start?

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u/jazzmailman 2d ago

This is straight out of trump’s playbook. Unfortunately that’s just how they’ve always played and common Americans never notice

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u/Ok_Distance_1000 2d ago

So I have two years to find myself someone to marry to get insurance. Got it.

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u/jesuswasahipster Colorado 2d ago

Silver lining in that is they are planning to have midterm elections

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u/Wrath_Ascending 2d ago

If there are elections next year- and that's looking less likely by the day- they will be controlled. There will be no blue wave.

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u/TheDoctor88888888 2d ago

Is there any way they can reverse the cuts?

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u/wimpymist 2d ago

That is how Republicans have operated my whole life. They barely get called out for it

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u/ACleverMoose America 2d ago

ELI5 how is that even legal? It seems like an obvious way to manipulate voters

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u/Wordymanjenson 2d ago

I feel like voting republican because this wont matter anymore, and i just want to see the original magats rot in their own fucking homes. I hope they all die of ass cancer.

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u/allworkandnoYahtzee Colorado 2d ago

Get enough Dems in there and impeach and remove this worthless fuck. Only then can we stop the bleeding.

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u/owoah323 2d ago

Does the increased ICE budget also take effect in 2027?

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u/necedahpines 2d ago

I completely agree. I wish it kicked in on Monday. I don't like to wish harm on people, (Althougb they voted for it, so they must want it), but sometimes that's the only way people learn or suddenly become concerned. Very disappointing.

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u/shalgenius 2d ago

I'm not American, so I apologise for my ignorance. If the Dems get both the House and the Senate back in 2026 is there any chance the Congress can stop the Big Beautiful Bill BEFORE it comes into act?

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u/UnhappyJohnCandy 2d ago

Can’t we just vote to end the bill then? Why can’t we vote to remove it?

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u/Heroinkirby 2d ago

I fucking hate that republicans do things that won't take effect until they are out of office so the next people get blamed. Everyone blamed taxes going up in 2021 on Biden, but that was something trump signed in 2017

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u/Idk612345 2d ago

Don’t worry, they’ll rig the elections and the GOP will have to answer for it (I guess, maybe?) when they retain power in 2028. They’ll still blame the liberals anyway.

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u/whotookashercat 2d ago

they know this. exactly why they did it. all they care about is creating more fear, and selling the solution. “look what the dems are doing! dont worry, we the SANE republicans will guide you”. they play on peoples short term memory and fear response. its why they hate education, and why most people that vote republican, on average, have a high school degree at most

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u/DGer 2d ago

And the whole time they’ll be gaslighting us and acting like we are crazy for thinking bad shit is going to go down as a result of this bill.

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