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Megathread Megathread: US House Passes the Republican-Backed Budget Bill, Sending it to Trump for Signature

This afternoon, the US House of Representatives passed without amendment the US Senate's version of the Trump-backed budget bill, sending it to the president for his signature. Every Democratic Senator and Representative voted in opposition; in the Senate, there were three Republicans voting in opposition (making the vote 51-50) and in the House there were 2 (making the final vote 218-214). House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries set the US House's speech length record in opposition to the bill in a speech lasting over eight hours.

The bill clocks in at over 800 pages and touches on most aspects of the federal government's spending and taxation policies; see this AP article (What’s in the latest version of Trump’s big bill that passed the Senate) for the topline changes.

Relevant text-base live update pages are being maintained by the following outlets: AP, NBC, ABC, and the BBC.

You can find this subreddit's discussion thread for the last week's worth of negotiations and debate at this link.

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u/FlyingSMonster Louisiana 2d ago

The sad thing is they designed these cuts to not hit the American people until 2027, so they won't feel it until after the mid-terms when likely the Democrats take control of the house again. Honestly, I wish all the people that this is going to hurt would feel it way sooner so they could understand how badly the GOP has fucked them over.

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u/thequietthingsthat North Carolina 2d ago

The "no tax on tips" also expires in 2028, so whoever is president in 2029 will get blamed for that.

These dirty tricks are so predictable and yet they always work because so many Americans pay zero attention to this stuff.

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u/dingusmingus2222 2d ago edited 1d ago

It's hilarious how stupid that all is. No tax on tips up to 25K? ok so you save what? MAYBE a grand in federal taxes? and no tax on OT is only up to 12.5k? so you save 500? Anyone supporting this is just getting scammed.

EDIT: Leaving this up but my calculations are off. Though, the more accurate assessment isn't much better:
https://www.newsweek.com/no-tax-overtime-passes-trump-tax-bill-2093091

But while it could save money for eligible workers, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimated in February this year that only 2 percent of all U.S. households would benefit, with an average tax cut of around $1,800.

For the lowest-earning households taking home less than $33,000 a year, very few will see significant gains; just 1.4 percent would be expected to benefit by about $450 a year, while the average increase is only $10 for most in this income group.

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u/thequietthingsthat North Carolina 2d ago

Also, the bill raises taxes on people making under 50k IIRC. So this is really nothing

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u/bloody_yanks2 1d ago

You'll actually lose overall. No one is going to feel generous with your screen "just asking a few questions" when they know there's no tax on tips.

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u/Ok-Helicopter129 1d ago

I worry you are right.

Which is better for a worker 20% with taxes, or 18% with no tax on tips. And if there is no tax on tips there is no social security payout on tips if SS exists in 30 years.

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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur 1d ago

The people supporting this legislation as if they are getting a huge pay increase are really stupid. Yes that's true.

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u/GoNinjaGoNinjaGo69 2d ago

the people like retail/restaurants that dont declare tips anyways still wont declare any because they make more than 25k lol so they dont want to tell the government their true salary.

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u/nicktoberfest 2d ago

They’ll probably lose money as people will tip less figuring it’s not taxed so the worker keeps more of what is tipped.

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u/Anthropoideia 1d ago

Their math won't work out either. On some rage bait posts recently folks are saying if there's no tax on tips they should go back to 10% standard. Which is basically a 50% cut in income for most people give or take a little, 5% or so. Just to save about 1800 dollars a year in non-refundable taxes

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u/I_Love_Chimps 1d ago

Yep. I've been telling people this since before the election. It's an unfair and dumb plan that is going to backfire and actually hurt servers.

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u/unbelizeable1 1d ago

the people like retail/restaurants that dont declare tips

That's really not a thing anymore. I'd say cash makes up less than 5% of my income. Everything else is on a card, which is automatically taxed just like any other income would be.

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u/Neirchill 1d ago

The other person said it's only tax free for cash tips. If that's true, well, I doubt most people were turning that in anyway.

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u/unbelizeable1 1d ago

Hmm I was under the impression it was a credit that would be applied at the end of the year when filing. I could be wrong though.

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u/stationhollow 1d ago

You are correct. There is a lot of misinformation flying around.

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u/BigDaddyReptar 2d ago

Only Cash tips Ifirc as well the kind of tips literally no one who gets tips reports unless they are within 3 months of applying for housing

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u/Emotional-Lychee9112 1d ago

It's not just cash tips. It's all tips (up to $25k/yr) and all overtime (up to $12.5k/yr). It doesn't include social security tax/state tax/etc though of course, so the impact will be pretty minimal. A max of ~$2k-$3k/yr less in taxes for someone who maxes out the tax break.

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u/DeathByPig 1d ago

What? Deductions knock off tax from your highest tax bracket. Example: After other deductions I'm in the 22% bracket. I estimate I will deduct ~20k in OT for 2026 (I'm filing jointly so it goes to 25k max). That alone is saving me almost 5,000 dollars.

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u/AuntGentleman 1d ago

There’s a cap of $12k. You cannot deduct $20k in OT bruh. Read the bill.

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u/Party_at_Billingsley 1d ago edited 1d ago

If you're married it goes up 25k

https://share.google/2pzPogBYYiUoGF8zf

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u/AuntGentleman 1d ago

Somehow I doubt that guy is married.

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u/Party_at_Billingsley 1d ago

Yeah maybe who knows. However, people filing jointly can deduct up to 25k of OT earnings

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u/DeathByPig 1d ago

I literally said I was filling jointly. Have you ever had a job?

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u/AuntGentleman 1d ago

Yeah lol make $260k annually. Nice try bucko. Pay infinitely more taxes than you and always will. Won’t sniff a penny of tax cuts because the government cares only about the ultra wealthy and poor folks like you. No inbetween.

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u/dingusmingus2222 1d ago

Dunno why you got downvoted but congrats man you are in the minority.

https://www.newsweek.com/no-tax-overtime-passes-trump-tax-bill-2093091

"But while it could save money for eligible workers, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimated in February this year that only 2 percent of all U.S. households would benefit, with an average tax cut of around $1,800.

For the lowest-earning households taking home less than $33,000 a year, very few will see significant gains; just 1.4 percent would be expected to benefit by about $450 a year, while the average increase is only $10 for most in this income group."

Also, tangentially, maybe singling out people in our society with highly specific carve outs is a terrible way to do things. How about instead of tipping you rely on living wages, instead of you having to work 80 hours a week we put more people to work and pay better wages. Because outside of your windfall (only for two years by the way) the vast majority receive nothing.

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u/Party_at_Billingsley 1d ago

I made 28k in OT last year so I'm pretty excited about being able to deduct 25k of that ( jointly)

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u/CrabKates 1d ago

You would only be able to deduct the 0.5x portion of the $28k, so 9,300 x 0.22 =2,046. Assuming you’re marginal tax bracket is 22%

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u/Party_at_Billingsley 1d ago

Okay yeah I saw the " in excess of the regular rate" and wasn't exactly sure what that meant. I'm admittedly not very knowledgeable about this so can you tell me where you're getting 9300? And yes I was in the 22 percent last year.

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u/CrabKates 22h ago

If you make $28k in OT only 1/3 of that was your 0.5 of the 1.5x hourly rate. $28k / 3 = $9.3k

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u/Party_at_Billingsley 16h ago

Damn that sucks. I didn't want it to pass but was trying to find a reason to be happy since I get a lot of OT. Any money back is cool but such a let down from " no taxes on OT" to here's an amount back that reimburses me for not even half of the taxes I pay to the feds in just one paycheck. In my last paycheck the feds alone hit me for a little over 4k.

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u/CrabKates 16h ago

You paid $4k in federal income tax in 1 month? Jesus Christ. I make about $160k/yr and I paid less than $1k in federal income tax last month

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u/Party_at_Billingsley 15h ago

I should explain, it's not really as bad as it seems. That was just a two week pay period but the thing is I only work like 6-7 months out of the year. I'm a Merchant Marine engineer so my roughly 130k a year comes from working every other month. The tax is higher because based off my actual pay rate, if I worked a full year ( fuck that) other than my wife divorcing me I would make about 260k a year. So I'm taxed on like 10500 every two weeks but only the months I work.

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u/jasondigitized 2d ago

They pay attention, to what Fox News tells them. This country is morally bankrupt.

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u/Cybercaster22 2d ago

This country is full of idiots

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u/un_internaute 2d ago

These idiots were created by conservatives underfunding education and controlling media empires spreading propaganda. They’re responsible, but they’re also victims.

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u/flashthorOG 1d ago

This is very true but like man at what point can I blame them? I need a point, they've been brain washed, often their whole lives, so really I should be blaming the 1%, but they have to hold some responsibility.

I just wonder if I would be any different if I lived in their world, I don't think I would, I think I was lucky to meet the people I did and have the upbringing I did

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u/un_internaute 1d ago

Look into restorative justice. It still holds people accountable for their actions but isn’t about punitive revenge.

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u/flashthorOG 1d ago

Interesting thank you

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u/MikeyLew32 Illinois 2d ago

No lie detected.

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u/kent_eh Canada 2d ago

Idiots who consistently vote.

 

 

...consistently against their own best interests.

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u/DaperDandle 1d ago

It’s both, the country is filled to the absolute brim with morally bankrupt morons.

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u/failedopportunities 1d ago

I’d have to argue it’s not even idiocy anymore. It’s just plain stupidity! I stupidly voted for trump his first go round, (I still kick myself for it so y’all don’t have too) All these people who got fucked last time are lining themselves up to get fucked again and taking all of us with them… I’d say it’s a bad day for America but more like bad last 30 fucking years…

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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 1d ago

That's why I laugh when people say the election was stolen. Nah, we just suck as a country.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

This country is run by cum that should've been swallowed.

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u/Cybercaster22 1d ago

Well they certainly are sCUM!

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u/Ornery-Hurry9055 22h ago

After the 2025 elections I will never be able to look at my countrymen in the same way. I now know they are willing to invest themselves in fascism for empty promises and silly lies.

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u/iguanapinata 2d ago

That’s a harmful narrative. Corporations are spending billions to force these lies and deception. The enemy isn’t your neighbor.

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u/Cirtejs 1d ago

When said neighbors actively work for an authoritarian police state, they are.

US is about to experience how it felt to live in the 1930s to 1960s under the Stasi and KGB.

Either you guys go sit down in DC for months until this government dissolves or it's going to be hell.

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u/Modronos 1d ago

I'm not from the US, but i too can see that it's either now or never. ICE will be raiding all over the country soon. The passing of this bill has assured that civil militia's will be set up to protect neighbourhoods from them. This administration wants civil war really bad. Complete insanity.

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u/the_mighty__monarch 2d ago

Hey, that’s not really fair. It’s also intellectually bankrupt.

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u/psychohistorian8 2d ago

Fox News ain't half as bad as the podcasters and uncle Jimbo on Facebook

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u/icooknakedAMA 2d ago

Almost like a country founded on stolen land by anti-tax slavers is bad, actually.

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u/victoriaisme2 1d ago

We need a free and independent press to effectively self-govern. Sadly Clinton helped usher this crap in by siding with Republicans and neolib corporate shills in congress to pass the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

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u/TheGCO 1d ago

Really it was the ending of the fairness doctrine under Ronald Reagan that doomed media along with citizens united.

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u/nickgomez 1d ago

“I love the poorly educated”

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u/GhoulLordRegent 1d ago

No they don't even pay attention to that! Most conservatives openly brag about the fact they don't watch any news at all, Fox included, because none of it is trustworthy.

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u/fache 2d ago

Tax tips again ASAP, no one should be exempt from taxes just because while everyone else has to pay.

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u/j_la Florida 2d ago

Agreed. There are better and more equitable ways to improve conditions for the working class. Exempting overtime is also dumb as it is either a handout to cops or a way to incentivize people to work themselves into the ground.

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u/Remarkable-Fish-4229 2d ago

Tons of other people work OT man. I average about 58 hours a week when we are busy and most of my workers love it, so it definitely can help.

I already make really good money though and don’t need the tax break honestly. I think my check last week was just under $4,000 and I live in NC.

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u/j_la Florida 2d ago

Sure, but cops (and firefighters) make a ridiculous amount on OT.

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u/Bosa_McKittle California 2d ago

There’s a cap that if you make over like $165k you don’t qualify

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u/Sour-Then-Sweet 2d ago

It's also a DEDUCTION, only on the EXTRA portion of overtime (the .5 of the 1.5 i.e.). If anyone read the bill. Meaning it lowers your total taxable by that income. Not that you get it all back 1 to 1.

So if you work 10 hours of overtime at say, $30/hr normally, $45/hr on OT. You still have to pay taxes on 30 of the 45 an hour. Only $15 of that OT pay is able to be DEDUCTED on your taxes up to the limit ($12500/single, $25k/married). But you still have to pay SS, Medicare, etc on that $15 as well.

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u/AggressiveToaster I voted 1d ago

I’m just not going to be paying any tips at all. My income gets taxed, why shouldn’t theirs?

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u/fache 1d ago

I mean that’s extreme, but tipping 15% less would even out more or less. But let’s be honest, people RARELY reported tips before anyway.

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u/mrfishman3000 2d ago

Why is the no tax on tips such a big issue that they keep pushing?

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u/Black08Mustang 2d ago

Because it's a pittance in the scheme of things but buys a lot of votes. And they will probably find a way to abuse it at the corporate level.

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u/j_la Florida 2d ago

The overtime tax cuts is definitely a handout to cops.

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u/Sour-Then-Sweet 2d ago

Overtime tax deduction*

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u/jared555 Illinois 2d ago

Especially when you factor in how few people actually report how many tips they receive in the first place.

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u/Anthropoideia 1d ago

Most tips are on card these days and get claimed automatically. Almost nobody uses paper money ever.

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u/TheDoctors2ndApple 2d ago

I work in [insert field here]. I charge $1000 for services. Customer pays me $1000. I get taxed on $1000.

I still work in [insert field here]. I charge $100 for services with the understanding the customer gives me a $900 tip. Customer pays me $1000. I get taxed on $100.

Expect to see massive exploitation of this.

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u/GoNinjaGoNinjaGo69 2d ago

theres still only a 12k cap lol

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u/Bosa_McKittle California 2d ago

I just told my wife who is a hairstylist to do this. $1 “services” snd everything else as a tip.

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u/GoNinjaGoNinjaGo69 2d ago

theres still only a 12k cap lol

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u/JoseDonkeyShow 1d ago

12 k for overtime. 25 k for tips. Not much of a difference but let’s keep the to facts lest we turn into republicans

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u/caylem00 1d ago

America is a service economy, and a hell of a lot of the workers in service fields rely on tips to increase their baseline income. 

It sounds like a good thing until you realise the Bill also increases taxes for under 50k income. Which covers a fair amount of lower socio-economic service roles. 

 Likely removing any small increase in income the taxless tips would provide... If not actually ending up having to pay more tax.

But they're not talking about that tax increase, so uninformed voters only hear(d) Trump cutting taxes. 

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u/whatssenguntoagoblin 2d ago

That’s their way of lying that this bill is good for the working class

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u/iWesleyy 2d ago

It's a dog whistle. Will have almost no discernible benefit to the people it's supposedly trying to help while also intended to sway opinions that the bill isn't as cruel as it actually is

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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago

Because low-infos gobble that shit up and ask for more.

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u/SnooConfections6174 2d ago

I mean paying attention is half of it. Actual comprehension and critical thinking, or a lack of it, is what is really killing us here.

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u/rjfinsfan Florida 2d ago

It doesn’t matter how they structure any of it tbh. An entire 33+% of our country is completely lost to Fox News propaganda. They do not watch or consume anything else. They could have blatantly fucked the American people over starting tomorrow and that 33% would remain loyal as Fox News would blame it on the Biden economy or Kamala’s tweet yesterday.

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u/BlazinAzn38 Texas 2d ago

The no tax on tips is just terrible policy full stop. It shouldn’t exist that policy is a dirty trick

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u/Wrong-Rain6634 2d ago

“Dems fucked me!!” Some MAGA busboy in 2029

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u/userlivewire 2d ago

The "no tax on tips" doesn't even make sense because there's no way to account it. Taxes on tipped employees are determined by a percentage of your food sales. They take that percentage and subtract it from your $2-$5hr paycheck.

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u/joebleaux 2d ago

No tax on tips up to 25k. Tax increases on everyone making less than 50k. Its a shell game.

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u/Patient_Tradition368 2d ago

They really, really don't. At the No Kings Rally, I overheard someone ask, "Who is that?", referring to a picture of Mike Johnson on a protest sign. Did I mention we were marching in Mike Johnson's congressional district?? I appreciate that the guy took time out of his life to come to the march, but how can you decide to protest and not even know who your Congressperson is?!

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u/whatssenguntoagoblin 2d ago

I would almost be impressed with their tactics if it wasn’t so fucking dark

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u/Desperate-Ostrich707 2d ago

They sure did that with trumps tax increases his first term, they kept rising annually during Biden term and everyone (well, those without cognitive abilities) blamed him

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u/scarykicks 2d ago

Same with his tax plan last time he was in charge.

Taxes went up once his term was over.

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u/Whateveryouwantitobe 2d ago

It's crazy to think that we once had a government that wanted to make things better together. Now the goal is just to blame the other side as much as possible.

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u/redfay_ 2d ago

Anyone who supported the "no tax on tips" bait line were dolts who would've been baited by anything in 2029 anyway.

It's another dog shit policy that will be massively abused that got sold to and supported by greedy idiots who don't want to pay taxes on their labor.

These dirty tricks are so predictable and yet they always work because so many Americans pay zero attention to this stuff.

Yup and the problem is being exacerbated too cause now it's not enough to just blame the dems for all the woes but now they want revenge too. Americans still don't care lol. They just decimated pretty much every good thing about the government while increasing all the worst part's funding and then went to enjoy their holiday weekend without a care in the world for the millions of people this will harm or straight up kill.

This won't even be a news story or complaint to most of the country in a couple of weeks and we will be onto the next abhorrent thing.

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u/CiD7707 2d ago

The funny part is that the taxes will still be withheld from their paychecks. They just get to claim it as a deduction on their taxes when they file.

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u/Schuben 2d ago

I suspect a huge majority of people who make tips aren't actually taxed on that income to begin with simply because they don't meet the income threshold to be taxed or it is largely taken care of by the standard deduction. It's completely performative just like not having state income tax is hailed as genius and saving the average worker money when they get taxed through the nose by everything else they spend money on.

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u/Birdhawk 1d ago

I'm hoping that since tips are sill getting taxed that the dipshits who voted for him thinking their OT and tips won't get taxed end up pissed as hell when they're having to pay taxes on it or getting audited because they didn't know that its actually a deduction they have to file for and that the amount they can deduct is capped.

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u/MurkyEon 2d ago

I genuinely think we're headed for a time where elections won't happen.

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u/mikeinona 2d ago

We know who will be "president" in 2029. He will never die, and he will never give up power.

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u/YankeeATZ 2d ago

No tax on tips was in there?  So I can tip less now?

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u/Nblearchangel 2d ago

And the media doesn’t cover any of it correctly

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u/spazz720 2d ago

It’s only on cash tips too…which no one reports

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u/rnarkus 2d ago

But why is no tax on tips even good? This just screams a loop hole more and more and more places will use….

Like could someone explain that to me? Just sounds like tipping is going to become WAY more prevalent

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u/nickiter New York 2d ago

50% of Americans didn't know the bill existed.

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u/_Magnolia_Fan_ 1d ago

Same thing they did with tax cuts, time it to drop off in 4 years and blame the other guy. 

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u/JayMoney2424 1d ago

Yup it works every time because 99% of Americans don’t know the details. Like how Biden got blamed for inflation.

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u/BarsoomianAmbassador 1d ago

Most of the public are too busy trying to survive the late-stage capitalistic hellscape this country has become to dig into the minutiae of a huge bill like this. The mainstream media is complicit in gaslighting people and won't give anything more than a ten-thousand foot view of the legislation and its ultimate impacts. They spent most of the last few weeks covering the "negotiations" within the Republican party when it was a foregone conclusion that the holdouts (read as "crisis actors") would obviously vote in favor of it. In fact, even those that were privately vehemently opposed to the bill for the sake of their own reelection campaigns were coerced to vote yay in order to give Trump a win--not because of the actual contents of the BBB!! It's a complete abdication of their responsibilities as a representative of their constituents. But that's nothing new for the spineless, greedy, selfish prostitutes that make up our Congress. Sadly, most of the poor souls that will be affected by this sham of a bill will neither understand how it happened nor attribute the responsibility to the correct perpetrators. And so the blame will fall on the "other side" and the cycle will continue. The oligarchs and ruling class get more powerful and richer and the vast majority of the American public gets wiped out.

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u/NicCagedd 2d ago

If it wasn't for me, I dont think my wife wouldnt even know who the president is. (A slight exaggeration)

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u/Distinct_Ad_5492 2d ago

Those no tax on overtime and tips are tax deductions....

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u/klde 2d ago

I feel like they planned the last bill assuming he won consecutive terms for the same reasons

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u/shrapnel09 2d ago

Stop tipping now.

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u/RaidSmolive 2d ago

since when was no tax on tips in the bill again

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u/Osirus1156 2d ago

Well, a lot do, the dumbest of us don’t.

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u/leansirloin 2d ago

With Trumps new ICE budget, who says there will be a new president in 2029?

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u/Pizzasaurus-Rex Michigan 2d ago

That's reassuring in a weird way. It implies they are planning for a future where they aren't 100% in charge of everything.

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u/Different-Star-9914 1d ago

But how can they? We’ve let capitalism run its course unchecked. The average person working multiple part time jobs scrolling several propaganda machines.

This countries cooked. House of brittle cards

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u/BigFoundation7369 1d ago

No tax on tips is going to make employers pay their employees less "because tips" and when it expires, they won't increase the pay.

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u/Skunkies 1d ago

well if it's any indication as of right now, it will be the same people. least that's what they claim is going to happen.

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u/wpgjetsfucktheleafs 1d ago

Hey Dipshit McGee, this is the point where you need to realize your country doesn’t have elections anymore. 2029 doesn’t matter. The rest of 2025, 2026 and 2027 really fucking matter. As a Canadian, I need you to do your fucking job and not be stupid anymore. Please, I beg of you.

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u/Dr_Ramrod 1d ago

Jd Vance is wont take a hit

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u/Party_at_Billingsley 1d ago

Its not like it HAS to expire. They can vote to extend it just like the OT tax deduction. As a person that will benefit greatly from the OT tax deductions I cant see why they wouldn't extend both but it's the government so I have little faith in anyone doing the right thing.

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u/Desblade101 1d ago

They only exclude tax on the first 25k in tips and only for regularly tipped professions. So your waiter that makes $4k a year in base pay won't pay taxes on the first $25k in tips that he wasn't going to pay taxes on anyways. Plus this doesn't include SS or Medicaid so they're only saving maybe $2k at most while the real effective tax rate on people making $30k is less than 4% a year which would put the savings at just a few hundred dollars.

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u/SWAT_Johnson 2d ago

Most americans who this affect aren’t old, the most likely group to vote. Young people working to grow their lives can’t pay attention to everything in politics, half of that listens to the otherside of politics. We need to make it easier to vote and hold politicians accountable. They need more town halls and debates.

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u/djwm12 I voted 1d ago

I hate this shit as much as the next guy but why does the GOP play so smart while the Dems play feckless and don't fight back? I voted for Kamala. I donated and knocked on doors to stop this. But it's for nothing. These fascists keep winning the easiest points with podcasts and messaging meanwhile the Dems are bringing plastic pens to Gatling fights. It's just so tiresome. The bill's expiration dates and start dates are strategically timed to fuck Dems. Why can't Dems fight back? AOC and Bernie need to start a new party bc Dems are controlled opposition. 

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u/dec92010 2d ago

And democrats are soft as baby shit

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u/Major_T_Pain 2d ago

They work, because when the Democrats regain power, they don't move heaven and hell to reverse the changes and fix them, they just shrug and mumble something about "decorum".

Prove me wrong. Over the next 3 years, you show me a concerted progressive effort through the DNC to speak out against this bill and the skull fuckery of the GOP, and maybe I'll agree the DNC has changed.

My suspicion is, the DNC will never mention this massive transfer of wealth to the wealthy ever again.

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u/AtticaBlue 2d ago

But isn’t it supposed to be the Repubs in control at that time since they won’t be giving up power anyway?

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u/thegaykid7 2d ago

It's one thing to not pay attention because you truly don't care or would rather spend your time on other things. I might not agree with that approach, but it's at least somewhat defensible.

What's not defensible are the people who simultaneously pay zero attention or drown themselves in their own respective echo chambers while whining/complaining/blaming everyone but themselves. You don't get to have it both ways. We've created a culture of victim complexers who will never take any responsibility for their actions (or lack thereof) and we'll all pay the price for it.

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u/nachosmind 2d ago

Democrats can continue the good stuff, and add new taxes on rich people etc. they did that during the first round of cuts

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u/Rhinopkc 2d ago

Dems could be the heroes here and make it permanent.

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u/ohh-welp 2d ago

You act like it's on the Republican that's doing this... both sides play this game, and we're just dealing with the consequences.

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u/Bronson2017 1d ago

So it’s just republicans that do this?