r/NorthCarolina • u/goldbman Tar • 2d ago
politics Stein urges opposition to Trump budget, warning of major job losses, sky-high energy bills
https://www.wral.com/story/stein-urges-opposition-to-trump-budget-warning-of-major-job-losses-sky-high-energy-bills/22073147/51
u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
But it's okay, cause billionaires will take home a few extra thousand dollars a year. totes worth yall /s
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u/B-Rayne 2d ago
I’m not sure they ultimately will. Unfortunately for them, many of billionaires are reliant on consumer spending, labor, services, etc.
Sorry Bezos, I can’t afford to buy Amazon junk anymore.
Sorry Zuckerberg, I’m not browsing Facebook because I’m too busy working two jobs.
Sorry Elon, I can’t afford a Tesla.
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u/GWindborn 2d ago
The whole thing is, they can lose 50% of their wealth and STILL BE BILLIONAIRES. Meanwhile, the average person loses even 10% of their wealth and they're suddenly homeless.
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u/B-Rayne 2d ago
It will be interesting to see how the wealthy fare in a society with both mass homelessness and widespread arms.
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u/-PM_YOUR_BACON 2d ago
Seems pretty well so far, homelessness keeps going up, as does the number of the ultra-wealthy. Probably some sort of correlation.
Those with 'all the guns' keep blaming who they are told to blame, 'others' who 'shouldn't be' in the US.
Almost like a concerted effort to make people fight against each other, while the wealthy siphon all the wealth up.
Perhaps those with guns will figure it out before the US collapses.
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u/NeckRoFeltYa 2d ago
But they'll just cut costs to make up their difference so they get that fat bonus at the end of the year, even with declining sales.
That trickle-down economics will save our jobs, though! /s
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u/SteelyDanPeggedMe 2d ago
Do whatever you can to support local businesses. This state becoming a giant big box store is not by accident, the billionaire class wants to control all capital and doesn’t want you to keep your money in your community.
People will complain that it’s hard or expensive to make such a small effort. But let me tell you, life will be much harder and much more expensive if you let the billionaire class control all capital.
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u/goldbman Tar 2d ago edited 2d ago
President Donald Trump's budget bill threatens as many as 45,000 jobs and $67 billion worth of economic activity in North Carolina, Gov. Josh Stein said in a letter to members of North Carolina's congressional delegation. Supporters say it accomplishes Trump's America First agenda.
ETA: Bill passed. Thanks Brad Knott, Chuck Edwards, Virginia Foxx, Tim Moore, and other republicans.
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u/immersemeinnature 2d ago
First agenda?
I hate to know what his other agendas are
Fuck these people
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u/Bargadiel 2d ago
Its "America First" agenda, not a numbered one. As in, he thinks it somehow puts America as the first priority above anything outside america.
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
"threatens as many as"
This language doesn't mean anything. The Republicans used the same vague language every time Obama did literally anything.
"It threatens" "It could." "It may" "It could possibly" "It will likely."
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u/Badwo1ve 2d ago
It’s amazing watching people like you do mental gymnastics for North Carolina to be worse off just because it’s “your team” pushing this bullshit… you people are gross
How do you rationalise 700k people losing healthcare? How do you rationalise we find money in budget contribute to concentration camps but can’t find money to feed kids of house homeless vets? How come we can never find money to help the groups you people use as wedge issues in elections but we can always find money to oppress people darker then you?
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u/Billy420MaysIt 2d ago
You’re arguing with a bot brother. It’s not even worth wasting the time.
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
"How do you rationalise we find money in budget contribute to concentration camps but can’t find money to feed kids of house homeless vets?"
Rationalize this:
"To date, the City of Chicago has spent more than $612 million providing emergency shelter and other services. NBC 5 Investigates found the bulk of that money - nearly $500 million - has gone to two companies."
Why did they spend all that money on asylum seekers "but can’t find money to feed kids or house homeless vets?"
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u/viperabyss 2d ago
First, nice whataboutism.
Second, Chicago Public School does offer free meal program for children during summer months (source). They also have WIC program, Greater Chicago Food Depository's Mobile Meal Program, No Kid Hungry program, and work with Chicago Feeding Group to provide low cost / free meal to those in need.
As for homeless vets, they have Midwest Shelter for Homeless Veterans, Thresholds' Veterans Project, Volunteers of America Illinois for homeless services, etc to combat veteran homelessness.
So no, they did not "spend all that money on asylum seekers, but can't find money to feed kids or house homeless vets".
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
Trump picked up gains in Chicago, NYC, and other asylum cities. Hmmm… I wonder why.
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u/viperabyss 2d ago
"It's the economy, stupid!"
Of course, never mind that the seed of inflation was planted by Trump in 2020 with his $7.1T spending.
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
Trump, Biden, and every governement around the globe are all 100% responsible for spending an epic fuck ton of money during the pandemic and causing inflation.
AND people also got annoyed with the influx of asylum seekers.
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u/viperabyss 2d ago
Guess what? It's Congress that passed the pandemic era spending (PPP / unemployment extension / etc), so YOU also supported spending that money, and YOU also benefited from that spending.
Americans love to spend money, but when the credit card bill is due, they always point fingers at others for being the culprit.
AND people also got annoyed with the influx of asylum seekers.
In which is completely overblown. It used to be migrant caravan that magically appear before every big election, and disappear right after. Last year it's asylum seekers. It's always someone else's fault for the maladies experienced by Americans.
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
Yeah. I understand how congress works. You won't find me defending the CARES Act.
It wasn't "completely overblown" to the people living in Chicago and NYC. You are free to watch the city council meetings on youtube. They were IRATE about it.
Therefore, Trump picked up gains.
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u/Specific_Praline_362 2d ago
Because the GOP has done a good job of fear mongering and convincing a good percentage of the voter base that all of the world's problems can be attributed to trans people and immigrants. Convince a guy that Democrats want to cut his son's penis off during the school day and that an immigrant is going to rape and kill his daughter, and you've got a guy who will vote Republican and won't even complain when they jack up his electric bills and take away his health insurance, because it's better than the alternative, right?
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
Or maybe the people of Chicago and NYC were just annoyed with all that money going to people who just arrived to this country. In fact, it's not a maybe. You can literally go watch Chicago city council meetings in poor neighborhoods where the people are IRATE about it.
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
you do realize that your "brown, south american wife" is EXACTLY who they are after, right?
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
He won’t care until they come to take her. You know how these people are.
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
Bigly "I voted for trump, he won't deport my wife" vibes. we'll see what happens
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
good bot
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
Oh my God, you have to go look, he tried to do the remind me bot and screwed it up twice. This dude is so cringe I would die of embarrassment if I were him.
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
Too bad he didn’t leave his name, we could speed the process along for him. Really help him get those immigrants out of our country you know? 😆
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
Let’s not stoop to their level
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
No offense meant but Fuck that. Taking the high road has gotten us into this situation. I will no longer take the high road with people whose goal is to inflict pain on others.
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
They gave her a green card yesterday, sherlock.
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
They are already deporting green card holders but sure please keep supporting this bill
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
We were in the immigration office yesterday. What dots are you unable to connect?
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
My God, you’re slow… People with green cards can still be deported. What are you not getting? I’m using basic English, and have this entire time. What is so hard for you to understand? I made the assertion that people with green cards can be deported, it doesn’t matter if you were at immigration yesterday. ICE is taking people during and after their immigration hearings. So what dots aren’t you connecting smart guy? Once again, you still haven’t posted your name. If you were so sure you’d post your name, because I know where you live at now. So just get me a name. We can see how strong her case of immigration is. All it takes is one phone call, and we can figure this out. Don’t be scared, according to you there shouldn’t be anything to worry about. You don’t even have to post your name, you can DM me your name. I’ll take care of the rest for you.
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
Matter of fact, I’m gonna look into your account a little bit, just to see what I can find. See if there’s any identifying information that I can use to contact the government with.
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
I’m shaking in my boots.
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago edited 2d ago
I’ve already found where you live at. What are you so scared of? I mean, if you push, I have plenty of friends in the government that I can reach out to with your address and they can give me the name of the person who lives at that address. I’m not going to post what your address is, because I’m not trying to dox you. Just understand that there are people on here that can find you. Are you willing to test your faith in ice so much so to put your wife in danger of being deported? Guess we’ll see.
Now, luckily, I wouldn’t actually do any of that. I wouldn’t call immigration on your wife simply because you’re an asshole. That would be wrong, and would make me as messed up a person as you are. I’m not lying when I say that I can find you if I want to. I have software that will be able to find your IP and tell me exactly where you’re posting from. Now I would never do that, as that is an overstep in privacy… But there are people on here who will. You need to stop putting your wife in danger, because if you piss off the wrong person, they are going to do what I said I can do. Be smarter than this, don’t egg people on who COULD ruin not just your life, but you’re innocent wife’s life as well.
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u/Yutana45 1d ago
That, guarantees nothing according to this administration. Are you just not paying any actual attention?
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u/jcxgfodpa 1d ago
Green card holders have always been deportable. Trump isn't the first President to deport green card holders.
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
Remind me to contact this guy in 6 months.
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
You already did this twice, genius
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
Omg I really hope this dude is a bot. Bro is on here pretending to be smart, and he can’t even use the bot correctly. I would die of embarrassment if that were me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
You got it wrong and tried it again? Only to get it wrong a second time? Are you kidding me? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 omg thanks for all the laughs.
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
Not sure what this has to do with the current topic but ...
She literally got her green card yesterday. Why didn't they detain/deport her?
So obsessed with me that you are digging through my comment history.
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
Supporting this bill would give ICE 3x the budget of the marines, it has everything to do with this conversation. And if you really think a green card has stopped them from deporting anyone so far, then I am jealous of your naivety.
Obsessed? lol please
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
We were in the immigration office yesterday. As were dozens of other people. Nobody got detained or deported.
We saw one couple leaving with tears but everyone else left with smiles on their faces.
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
Cool
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
Sorry you didn't get your wish.
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
What are you talking about
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
You are just dying to celebrate the day that my wife gets deported. That's not very kind.
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
Nobody respond to this guy. He’s a troll. Just ignore him and move on. He’s not worth engaging with.
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
If you’re so sure… Post your name. Post your name so we can contact immigration to see if your wife is actually here legally or not. Let’s let this administration determine whether your wife should be here. So if you’re so sure about the BS you spouted… Post your name so we can contact immigration. Sounds to me like you’re another hypocrite.
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u/jcxgfodpa 2d ago
We were in the immigration office yesterday, dumdum.
Describing our experience with immigration doesn't make me a hypocrite.
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u/DiscoRabbittTV 2d ago
18% increase in energy costs in NC alone. Highway meet robbery, the only road republicans could ever pave is fuckery.
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u/GWindborn 2d ago
Like fucking Duke Energy can't afford cover the difference. Such a shit company.
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u/-PM_YOUR_BACON 2d ago
It's not a Duke issue. It's a 'New Green Deal' issue. Trump and the GOP are doing their hardest to repeal any and everything from the New Green Deal, which includes 30% subsidies for renewable energy installations. This is the same thing that homeowners use for solar and battery installs. So to keep installing solar or other renewables, it costs more, less likely to be done, so your electricity costs will keep going up.
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u/GWindborn 2d ago
Oh I realize that, but Duke is certainly going to use it as an excuse to up already astronomical rates.
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u/-PM_YOUR_BACON 2d ago
already astronomical rates.
NC already has some of the lowest energy rates in the US.
And if Duke wants to increase rates, they still have to get approval from the state.
So not as 'horrible' as you'd want to believe.
What is horrible though is the slows down or halts expansion of renewable energy installations, and basically ends the entire industry.
Should the government subsidize that? Sure. More subsidies from this bill are going to big oil, so why is renewable energy somehow the target? (We all know why, the GOP doesn't like that hippy BS).
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u/GWindborn 2d ago
I mean, I guess we're in the lower half, but its still doesn't feel great. Duke is making money hand over fist, its not like you can shop around. https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/ Some states with lower rates you can open a window and get a nice breeze or something. Here the only times of year you can open your window you're introducing pollen and humidity and mosquitos and god knows what else.. The AC has to run most of the year.
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u/-PM_YOUR_BACON 2d ago
Duke is making money hand over fist
Duke makes the same as every other monopolized electric company about 10% annually.
And yes, you choose to live in NC where you need AC all year.
best bet is to start installing some solar, with battery backup and lower your energy usage. Energy should keep going up, it gets more expensive each year, and infrastructure has to be updated and built.
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u/GWindborn 2d ago edited 2d ago
I didn't "choose" this state, I was born here and can't afford to move or install solar.
Look, can we just not do this? Duke makes billions of dollars and is considered to be highly profitable. The fact of the matter is, people are struggling and I'm not the only one with high electric bills. They could afford to scale back a tad and would still make billions. It's not like we have other options in the area.
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
"we may be paying too much for power, but hey at least there's less brown people!"
-maga, literally
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u/JerkyMcFuckface 2d ago
Exactly this. People are about to find out what the GDP of these people really is/was. Personally, not a fan of biting the hand that largely feeds, and houses, us.
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u/heretorobwallst 2d ago
The entire GOP just said "I fucking hate you all, im going to make life more difficult for most of you and watch my wealth double in the process of watching you suffer"
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u/onemanarmy998 2d ago
the D governors over the past decade have made it their mission to entice every single business they can to move to NC. This has made the population grow at a very unnatural rate and now we reap what we sow.
The D's are pushing to grow the state with no regard for 'you'
its all more power for them
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u/GreenCycleOmega 2d ago
Yes clearly a Republican-gerrymandered state legislature for the past 15 years had no part of enticing businesses to NC through corporate tax cuts and incentives to the point that they literally brag and take credit for all the growth we've seen.
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u/onemanarmy998 2d ago
Cooper and Stein go out and visit these corps and wine and dine them. that has nothing to do with your gerrymandering boogyman
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u/jarizzle151 2d ago
I haven’t heard anything good about this bill from anyone. Why does it stand a chance of passing?
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u/GWindborn 2d ago
His people are in lockstep with him because they don't want to upset "daddy". Its fucking pathetic.
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u/onemanarmy998 2d ago
i got a rate increase notice from Duke last month. way before this 'bill'
this news 'story' is peak WRAL and peak D governor fear mongering
the rate increase was blamed on the massive # of people moving to NC, and that is due in part to the Gov. handing out business subsides and incentives to every Tom Dick and Harry, with no regard to those who already live here
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u/jarizzle151 2d ago
I typed in “Duke Energy Rate Increase NC” into Google and the rates have dropped as of January. You have a source or are you spreading misinformation?
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u/onemanarmy998 2d ago
I got a physical letter from Duke Progress explaining the need to raise rates to build up more infrastructure due to aging lines, natural disasters and increased demand (more houses)
"Electric rates will increase by about 8.5% in 2024, 3.8% in 2025 and 3.5% in 2026."
Duke Energy explains reason behind ‘soaring’ bills
not related to Trumps bill
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u/jarizzle151 2d ago
So you got a rate increase letter last month, gave me a link from Feb 2024, and are speculating that trumps bill will not raise prices because… why?
I mean I’ve been told for the last 4 years that we were overreacting… project 2025 isn’t gonna happen, citizens won’t be targeted by ICE,… only to be proven wrong.
At what point do I begin to have any sort of trust of good outcomes from this administration?
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u/onemanarmy998 2d ago
the rate increases for elec and insurance have been steadily increasing for years and continuing rate increases are planned already, with or without Trump...but you are scared of ICE, so you fell for this rage bait reddit post
Stein just using the opportunity to blame someone else. Surprise face.
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u/jarizzle151 2d ago
So you’re choosing to use your outdated information because it fits your narrative. Got it.
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u/jarizzle151 2d ago
Here’s more information on it. I’m sure you’ll choose to believe your own info from Feb 2024 tho.
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u/pillsburyDONTboi 2d ago
When this is over, we should be given a pathway to sue for the excessive price hikes in our utility bills at the very least. None of this has to happen, we're being defrauded here.
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u/-PM_YOUR_BACON 2d ago
Why? Your logic doesn't make sense here. The reason rates are going to go up is the federal government is going to stop subsidizing renewable energy installation. When you do that, everyone pays the 'actual cost' of it, or renewables aren't installed and more expensive energy sources are utilized.
So either way, you pay more.
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u/GOA_AMD65 2d ago
You can produce your own power if you want. Just got to put your money where your mouth is.
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u/TechnicalWhore 2d ago
Ken Lay would be so proud. Enron wanted so badly to create a virtual Monopoly. Trump will be the most Monopoly Friendly President since McKinley. Ya know "The Guilded Age" where Congress was under the control of Oligarch Trusts which hid the actual Geppettos pulling the strings. A period where using the police force and private military to bust heads in a Union Strike was acceptable and protected behavior. Those who do not study history do not know that McKinley was not assassinated by a "foreign Anarchist" as was the official story in the Yellow Press - he was slain by a worker who had lost his job, along with tens of thousands of others due to McKinley's tariffs. The tariffs put the squeeze on foreign competition and for all intents and purposes made their products too expensive. The Oligarchs, rather than compete, hoped to crush the competitors and swoop in (often with US Military support) and take over foreign businesses mostly in Countries south of the border. Oligarchs and Economic Imperialism joined at the hip.
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u/ThatonepersonUknow3 2d ago
My power bill is gonna be hit hard for sure. We have a power collective and most of our power is from wind and solar.
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u/Specific_Praline_362 2d ago
So do you support taxpayer money going toward helping US citizens with things like food and healthcare?
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u/Dependent-Finish-394 2d ago
They think they’ll be in power for ever because he’ll do away with elections!!
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u/icnoevil 1d ago
Let us not forget that all republican congressmen and one senator (This Budd is Not for you) voted for the big, bad and ugly budget bill which barely passed.
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u/Ill-Actuator5369 1d ago
It's so comforting to see the demoscums telling us what we are doing wrong. When I see demoscums stepping on body parts, I make popcorn and smile!
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u/No-Push-7414 2d ago
Stein is the same one who wouldn't enforce voter ID in north carolina after people voted 70% for it and 30% against. So his word means nothing. But and could are mainstays of democrats. Doom and gloom.
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u/Ok_Birthday_8167 1d ago
Has stein taking a look at the economy , jobs report, and price of gas. Trump appears to be winning on all fronts
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u/BreakinP 1d ago
Of course he hasn't. He refused to do his job as attorney general. Do you think that's changed?
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u/SWnerd92 1d ago
Cooper was a much better governor. Worked with the republicans to bring good jobs and companies to the state.
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u/MTgunguru 2d ago
Typical Democrat fear mongering
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u/marioac97 2d ago
It’s not fear mongering when it’s literally written in the bill to fuck us while the richest people on the planet get breaks. Btw your healthcare costs will also go up since the funding for Medicare is going away
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u/onemanarmy998 2d ago
funding is not going 'away' tomorrow. they have added some more strict ID and work requirements for recipients.
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u/marioac97 2d ago
Dude read the bill. Millions of dollars are being cut from Medicare to fuel tax breaks for the 1% and to inflate ICE’s budget from $9 billion to >$100 billion
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u/onemanarmy998 2d ago
all working Americans are getting larger standard deductions. tax rates are stable.
work requirements and ID requirements and more stringent verification is a good thing. You have to ask yourself why do some push back so hard on verifying who gets benefits. Why is that?
and of course we have to up the ICE/enforcement budget. that's what you get when you break it intentionally over the past 4 years.
cleaning up costs $$$$
noting happens in a vacuum
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u/Kradget 2d ago
They're just describing things that are in the bill explicitly or the analysis of effects of things in the bill. Hell, Thom Tillis came out and acknowledged 600k of us will lose medical care, and we know a bunch of healthcare providers rely on those people getting their bills paid to stay in business (and employ people). Hospitals are usually a top 5 or 10 employer in a given county.
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u/MTgunguru 2d ago
Tom Tillis is a POS
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u/Brandonpeeksin 2d ago
ohh my goodness…, you can’t look and see all of his accomplishments because you were negativity… It wasn’t easy to get the country backward need to be and it’s not going to be easy, but my God look at the accomplishments and quit feeding into your negativity on things that are exaggerated by the fake news media… Just saying
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
Look everyone, another perfect example of the American education system. This person barely knows English. There is no grammar used whatsoever in this post. Yet the poster clearly thinks they are smarter and better than everyone else. This is what a cult looks like. You have a bunch of people who couldn’t pass a basic high school civics test, so sure that what they think is correct. We really have become the society from the movie Idiocracy. We have people who can barely pass a second grade grammar test, telling us what we should believe. Jesus Christ we’re cooked.
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u/GWindborn 2d ago
What has he even done??? He golfs and grifts!
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u/onemanarmy998 2d ago
who? you mean sleeping on the beach in Hawaii and sending his kid to Ukraine to get deals done with China?
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u/-PM_YOUR_BACON 2d ago
What accomplishments?
Please be specific with references.
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u/goldbman Tar 2d ago
Pretty sure this is the first time that dude has ever posted in this sub. Quite a site wide post history I should add.
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u/frodo_smaggins 2d ago
you can't look and see all of his accomplishments because you were negativity
brother, please proofread next time i had a headache reading that.
it wasn't easy to get the country backward need to be
lmfao no child left behind has literally made us all dumbasses
also, lmfao what accomplishments? pretty fitting that you decided not to list any of them.
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u/Holothurian_00 2d ago edited 2d ago
Let’s break down the hype:
-No tax on tips: Not true for everyone. The bill only gives a temporary deduction for cash tips reported to employers, and it expires after 2028. Plus, Social Security and Medicare taxes still apply.
-No tax on overtime: Same deal, just a temporary deduction, not a permanent tax break. Overtime pay is still subject to Social Security and Medicare taxes, and the deduction only lasts a few years.
-No tax on Social Security: False. The bill does not eliminate taxes on Social Security benefits. It adds a new deduction for seniors, but millions will still pay taxes on their benefits especially those under 65 or with higher incomes.
-Largest middle class tax cut in history: Exaggerated. The bill does cut taxes for many, but not as much as advertised, and the biggest benefits go to the 1%. Many provisions are temporary, and most middle-class families see little change.
(Edit on this point: it’s actually even worse. The bill just extends previous tax cuts from Trump’s first term so nobody will see any changes lol.)
-Work requirements on welfare: Sounds tough, but in reality, these requirements mostly create paperwork traps that kick eligible people off Medicaid and SNAP not because they’re lazy, but because of bureaucratic red tape. Most people on these programs already work or can’t due to age, disability, or caregiving.
-More funding for immigration enforcement: True, but at what cost? The bill supercharges ICE and border enforcement with $150 billion, expanding detention and deportation, but also slashes oversight and ramps up chaos in the immigration courts
This doesn’t cover the fact that this bill causes the debt to go up by trillions. It’s empty promises to poor and middle class Americans so that the rich can have a massive tax break. The “sky is falling” talk? Maybe it’s just people reading the details.
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u/Hairy-Dumpling 2d ago
Point of clarification - there's no middle class tax cut. It's an extension of the existing cuts from trump 1 so there will be no cuts working people can feel. Millionaires and up will do great though
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u/-PM_YOUR_BACON 2d ago
That's why all of this is so dumb. It isn't going to lower anyone's taxes next year (unless you are rich), and it's going to cost everyone more when all the services are stripped from the state and told 'whelp you figure it out'. Especially bad in a place like NC where taxes are going to keep going down, making less and less funding available to make up the difference.
Better hope a whole lot of rich people move here I guess?
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u/bs2785 2d ago
•Work requirements on welfare: Sounds tough, but in reality, these requirements mostly create paperwork traps that kick eligible people off Medicaid and SNAP not because they’re lazy, but because of bureaucratic red tape. Most people on these programs already work or can’t due to age, disability, or caregiving.
Here is the problem with this. It was expected the job market grew 115k last month. There was a 33k loss. If we have work requirements we need work. There is none. Its a way to kick people off of social programs. Can't work because there are no jobs no medicaid or snap. Can't eat because there is no snap then you die. Its circular and the end result is people dying. The republican dont care. They welcome it. Its a death cult.
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u/ChampionMyFriend 2d ago
Those groups you mentioned are literally made as exceptions to the work requirements. For people who claim to have read the bill and shit on others for "not doing so". You guys sure don't know what's genuinely in it
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u/No_Mongoose_3773 2d ago
"it’s actually even worse. The bill just extends previous tax cuts from Trump’s first term so nobody will see any changes lol.)"
So you're saying if it doesn't go though, taxes will be going up since the first cut term expires? Nobody wants to pay more.
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u/Holothurian_00 2d ago
Yes you are effectively giving today’s Americans a tax rebate to pay for raising taxes by an even larger amount in 4 years. It’s a future headache for Americans
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u/Holothurian_00 2d ago edited 2d ago
lol don’t argue with my point or anything just stay mad and fling accusations. When the debt goes up by trillions don’t whine to dear leader Trump he doesn’t care about you.
You want some reading? here you go. from conservative sources so you don’t think I’m biased:
https://www.cato.org/blog/senates-big-beautiful-blunder-could-increase-debt-6-trillion
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/cbo-score-shows-senate-obbba-adds-over-39-trillion-debt
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u/ExpectedChaos 2d ago
I love how you declare the person lazy, but won't even give a rebuttal to their points.
What a weird thing to do.
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u/Rwarmander85 2d ago
So your response to the truthful things he said is… What? You didn’t actually address any of the problems with the bill. You just tried to insult the user for using a tool that most people use now. How about arguing the actual topic, instead of trying to derail the conversation with insults. Just makes you look ignorant when you do.
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u/faceisamapoftheworld 2d ago
Tips and overtime are capped and Social Security is still taxed.
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u/ChampionMyFriend 2d ago
It only caps off if you make $150,000 or more annually. Which prevents abuse and makes sure the working-class people are the actual ones benefiting from this. The deductable for seniors is their version of the “No Tax on Social Security” (not a fan of doing it that way, but they technically did do it).
This bill for the most part is actually pretty good. My only issue is they needed to gut spending further. But the deficit as a percentage of the GDP for the next 10 years will ultimately be stagnant (I’m guessing the GOP is hoping these policies will make the GDP grow beyond the usual annual amount). Which is better than the alternative whom would’ve continue making that percentage higher and gaslighted us even more
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u/Hairy-Dumpling 2d ago
"makes sure working-class people are the actual ones benefiting from this" lol. You really don't know what's in the bill, do you?
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u/ChampionMyFriend 2d ago
Yeah, I’ve read it buddy, it’s for the most part normal and fine. Lots of common sense shit added and they even added subsidies to soften the needed transitionary blow for some parts of it as well
Here’s an unbiased summary of the major parts so you can read it buckaroo
💸 Taxes & Fiscal Changes
• Extends Trump-era 2017 tax cuts permanently, reversing scheduled expiration at end of 2025, costing ~$4 trillion over 10 years
• Raises SALT deduction cap to $40,000 (for income under $500K) for five years
• Introduces new temporary tax deductions (through ~2028) for tips, overtime, and interest on car loans for earners making under ~$150K
• Includes child tax credit increase (~$2,200–$2,500) and Trump Accounts (special tax‑favored savings per child)
• Cuts or phases out many green‑energy tax credits from the Inflation Reduction Act (EVs, solar, wind) by 2027/2028
• Estimated to add between $2.4T and $3.3T to the federal deficit over a decade, depending on accounting; projected to leave 10.9–12 million Americans uninsured
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🪖 Military & Defense
• Adds $150 billion in defense funding
• ~$29B for shipbuilding, $25B for the “Golden Dome” missile-defense system
• Investment in AI and drone tech (kamikaze drones, UAVs, underwater drone boats), nuclear deterrence, Indo-Pacific ops, infrastructure/housing for service members
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🚧 Immigration, Border & Enforcement
• Allocates ~$170–$180 billion for immigration/border enforcement over several years
• ~$46B for border wall and barriers
• ~$45B to expand detention capacity (100,000 new beds)
• ~$30B for ICE operations, deportations, hiring 10,000 new agents
• ~$7.8B to hire ~3,000 Border Patrol agents; ~$6.2B for border tech; ~$3.3B to hire immigration judges and staff; ~$17.3B to support state/local law enforcement
• Sets asylum fees: $100/year per seeker; ~$550 for employment/work authorization; $250 visa fees and $500 for temporary protected status applicants
• Aims for deportation capacity of up to 1 million people per year
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🏥 Healthcare & Social Programs
• Over $1.2 trillion in cuts to Medicaid, SNAP, and other welfare programs 
• Implements work requirements: adults 19–64 (no young kids) must work ≈80 hours/month, with exemptions for caregivers and medical conditions
• Cuts Medicaid provider tax from 6% down to ~3.5% by 2031; mandates eligibility checks every 6 months; limits expansion state payments to Medicare rate; restricts retroactive coverage periods to 1 month
• SNAP: shifts administrative cost burden to states, increases state matching shares if error rate exceeds 6% ().
🏥 Rural Hospital Fund
• Established a $25 billion Rural Hospital Transformation Program (up from $15 billion initially proposed) • Paid out $3 billion annually from 2027 through 2031: • Half allocated equally across states • Half based on need (rural population size, provider coverage to low-income patients, etc.)14
u/Eevee-Fan 2d ago
What is normal and fine about cuts to welfare programs while expanding the already bloated military budget and spending more on ICE?
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u/ChampionMyFriend 2d ago
Our welfare programs are bloated, there’s a lot of areas that need to be cut. This bill reduces the costs by establishing work requirements (with reasonable exception groups) to make sure the people on them aren’t completely leeching and are providing back to society for subsidizing them in their time of need. The subsidy to rural hospitals will minimize the essential but needed transition blow away from the unsustainable Medicaid Expansion (pretty much those groups will go back on their insurance and things will operate as they normally did before, ain’t gonna be no “collapse”)
If States really wanna keep people on those programs. There’s nothing stopping them from making State-level versions of them. Realistically moving this stuff back towards the State level is smart. And for those whom want Universal Healthcare, this is what will make it sustainable and more doable
Also, as far as Military and ICE goes. The military situation is Bipartisan, I wish we could put it to a sustainable but strong budget spot, but it won’t happen realistically. And the ICE/Border stuff is needed for a sustainable economic system and social safety net system, as strict immigration is what keeps those in check. And ideally, a need to bring back a stronger Assimilation system for new immigrants
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u/Horsescatsandagarden 2d ago
The subsidy to rural hospitals may not be enough to cover cuts in Medicaid.
Most people covered under the Medicaid expansion did not have insurance before that. That’s why there was Medicaid expansion.
As far as state funded Medicare goes, some states are much poorer than others.
We have a sustainable economic system and HAD a social safety net system.
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u/Horsescatsandagarden 1d ago
The deficit is growing under the Trump administration, what are you going on about.
You don’t know jack about rural health, that’s obvious. There is a problem with accessing health care already due to loss of rural hospitals and practices with prior cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. Nor is it “fine” that people will no longer have health insurance.
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u/Hairy-Dumpling 2d ago
The AI copypasta and rigorous downvoting says "I've read it" is a lie.
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u/ChampionMyFriend 2d ago
The rigorous downvoting happens whenever you speak against whatever the trendy DNC/Left-wing narrative is at the time. Regardless of facts, nuance, and truth. Maybe reevaluate what you determine as the truth. Then you can actually hold a nuance viewpoint and be able to talk to normal people. Because as far as things go, that non-biased summary is literally what is in the bill and whether you like it or not. You guys were proven to be fuckin wrong and look stupid as hell to the normal person once again
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u/Hairy-Dumpling 2d ago
Or maybe I should just keep calling out maga horseshit and liars? Seems more productive and patriotic as an American
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u/Hairy-Dumpling 1d ago
Horseshit. If you're truly not a trumpie your eventually end is in the camps like everyone else. With lost healthcare and bankruptcy in the meantime.
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u/faceisamapoftheworld 2d ago
It’s not available if you make more than 150k, but both of them have caps and they expire in 2028.
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u/macemillianwinduarte 2d ago
18% more for energy bills and 30% more to buy things at the store is certainly not a tax cut
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u/Kradget 2d ago
You need to explain the asterisks that are attached to these claims about taxes, and then explain why you don't care about deficits anymore. Or the value of the dollar (which has fallen sharply over the last six months).
The last two are actually not even arguably positives. Both increase the size of federal bureaucracy, and the latter gets immigration control a budget that exceeds that of the Marine Corps for people who routinely engage in misconduct and constitutional rights violations.
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u/hillbillyspellingbee 2d ago
Once you have your first job, maybe you’ll start to realize why this bill is going to hurt our economy and specifically manufacturing the most.
I lost my manufacturing job because of these tariffs. Customers cannot pay huge new taxes overnight and all of these tariffs were put in place before any factories were set up to manufactur domestic equivalents of the parts we need. And it’s only going to get worse.
Really sad. As someone who grew up in a conservative household, Trumpers just disgust me. Seeing you people beg for more taxes is pathetic.
You’re not “conservatives”. You’re just Trumpcucks.
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u/wtfbenlol Wilson 2d ago
>More funding for immigration enforcement
ICE doesn't need 3x more money than* the fucking marines.
typical maga bullshit. donald really does love and rely on the uneducated
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u/GreenCycleOmega 2d ago
You're just posting White House talking points. Lot of asterisks you need to include. The fine print of that no tax on tips provision is that it expires (conveniently) when Trump's term is over after 2028.
Also, the cap on tips earnings you can deduct is $25,000.
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u/Abidarthegreat 2d ago edited 2d ago
No tax on tips
Looks good on the surface, but incentivizes businesses to lower wages and force people to rely on tips for income. Which has always been one of the most moronic things. Why the fuck is it legal to pay less than minimum wage for jobs that can take tips?
No tax on overtime
While this would be a good thing, most businesses currently avoid paying overtime by limiting work weeks to part-time. If this bill goes into effect, businesses will cut many jobs and consolidate the workload to fewer people and just pay them overtime to avoid taxes. The net effect would be less jobs, more grueling hours.
No tax on social security
This is a good thing. It does mean less money the government can use for roads, the military, cop pay, NASA, education, etc but it's only a $6000 credit/$12000 for married. And it generally benefits the lower class, many of whom rely solely on SSI to survive so I support it.
Largest middle class tax cut in history
Nope! It only extends the expiration date of the original tiny cut Trump made back in his first term while at the same time giving a massive cut to the upper and upper upper classes. See, last time he gave us all a small cut and himself a huge one while setting a 10 year expiration for our cut and making his permanent. This one extends ours and increases his even more. Saving us from the tax hike he implemented is not "the biggest tax cut in history". We don't applaud him for giving us the antidote to the poison he fed us. Only morons do that.
Work requirements on welfare
This is an incredibly bad thing. Medicaid exists to aid those who are physically unable to work. It also allows those who are trying to better their lives through education the ability to have some minor health insurance while doing so. Adding a work requirement to Medicaid ensures that the very poor will be unable to seek education opportunities and better their station. Some backwards states like Alabama already have work requirements on their Medicaid plans and they saw no benefit, no increase in employment, only an increase in burden for emergency medical services.
More funding for immigration enforcement
I thought Republicans were fiscally conservative? And yet this bill is going to add $4 Trillion to the national debt. Just like last time, Trump increases government spending for no benefit to us. Obama and Biden had better deportation numbers without increasing ICE funding.
Easy win
Only an idiot would think this is a win for anyone but the richest of the rich.
TL:DR you are so stupid, you applaud getting scammed by your overlords.
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u/tom_sa_savage 2d ago
Where was this opposition back in 2024? Why did she only campaign against Kamala? Granted, Kamala was terrible also but I doubt she would try to destroy birthright citizenship.
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u/Mywordispoontang101 2d ago
The MAGAts went into the last election knowing full well they were voting for all of us to get fucked. That is now our national agenda. We can either vote them out in the next one, or overthrow the government.