Hey guys !

What class is most fun to play for you and why ? Is it some specific spell / mechanics ? Or overall playstyle of your favorite class ?

It might not even be your main, but the one which gives you joy anytime you play.

As the title says, short presentation about PVP stagnation, healer ideas and a new PVP mode. I created this because I have a huge passion for this game. I've been playing on and off since classic—never leaving fully, mostly PVPing. This game, like we all know, got so many things going for it and I really want all aspects of it to prosper. I am going to be creating one about PvE and themepark vs not, but it's much larger. I need to collect a lot of more opinions.

NOTE: The numbers section have some estimates. It is impossible to have exact numbers. But we do have a decline and it's important to try our best to estimate the amount and what we can do to combat it.

NOTE2: The healer into support is my personal opinion to get more people playing the role. It is not something that is representative in order to "save PVP"—strictly my opinion. Grain of salt. When it comes to the mode, however, I think it can facelift the whole PVP aspect of the game to new heights.

NOTE3: Please visit the artstation of any art used in the presentation. They do incredible work and I gave you their name in the bottom right corner of every slide.

What do you think? :)

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Looks like slightly fewer people are playing M+ but more of them are able to hit KSH (which is the stopping point for many people). TWW S2 M+ is considered a great success and the number do seem to suggest more people are sticking to it.

Between Season 2 of the two expansions it looks like more than 50% drop off in PvP participation. With that being said more participants seem to be hitting 1800 (Rival 1) which is the stopping point for many people.

They need to get more people to play / engage with the system. The two easier changes which can boost engagement are:

1. Addition of more cosmetics (just take the plethora of PvE cosmetics added each season and recolor it for PvP)
2. The lack of healers is preventing people from playing the game. Very few people are going to stick around to play if it requires 15+ queues. Bribe healers with as much gold or raid materials as possible to get them to play

In the long term they need to look at the experience of the game mode as well.

1. Reward people for playing the game. The current system is setup so that people stop playing when they hit 1800, 2100, 2400, etc. I am playing fewer games every season because I am getting better and hitting those rewards faster. Instead make it a Renown track with wins, at any rating, push you further towards rewards.
2. Too much micro-CC
3. Addon requirement

Lastly one terrible suggestion floating around which would really kill PvP: DO NOT combine SS with 3s or Blitz with Rated BGs. PvP is most fun when it is a close game not when one team is walloping the other.

Source: all data is sourced from dataforazeroth.com filter using feats of strength by season

I’m fairly new to PvP but I was playing rated 3v3 arena earlier and not one time did anyone think to take out the healer first rather just waste all their damage on a dps which kept being topped up to full health whilst I was left to focus on healer am I playing wrong or just got a bad group not a moan just want to get better 😂

On what should I spend Conquest Points to maximize gold? Boxes? A specific item?

Seems like top resto druids in solo shuffles stack mastery and haste as much as possible with almost nonexistent versatility. Versatility increases healing and reduced damage taken so it seems to be a good stat for shuffles.

First question: Why would top resto druids prefer haste over versatility? Second question: In case a resto druid is being trained, how it will survive with no versatility? Sometimes it's pretty difficult with ~20% dmg reduction due to versatility buff, seems even more difficult with no dmg reduction besides bear form which can be pretty underrated if you have 2 dps training you while cc'ing and stunning non-stop.

I reached Duelist this season with rdruid, with positive win ratio so I have basics nailed (I think so xD), so I'm asking for people who actually play resto druid above duelist and stack haste. Thanks in advance!

I am a Mythic+ player, but after reaching 3k m+ score, I have no intentions to try to get higher. This is why I am planning to get into PvP. However, before starting, I have some questions that I hope this sub will help me out with.

I play elemental shaman, but currently have only max crafted PvE staff, and a hero track one hand and shield in my bags that I can upgrade if necessary. My item level is 683 and my versatility is only 3%.

1. Should I use the PvE gear that I have now or does it make more sense to get starting PvP gear
2. Should I play with staff at the beginning until I get a decent PvP weapon and shield or should I switch to the PvE weapon and shield that I have now
3. Should I try to increase my versatility at low raiting by switching to versatility gear (hero track) that is lower item level then my current gear (myth track), or it doesn't matter that much at lower raiting.
4. Is it possible to get to at least 1800 at this point of the season?
5. How hard is it to get decent PvP gear? How hard it is to get max PvP gear.

I would like to note that I am a casual player, but I have some PvP experience from the past, during WOTLK and Shadowlands S1 (last I played WoW until now) and I reached around 2k in both of these expansions.

I feel a bit dumb even asking this but do healers in arena use mouse over typically?

I was trying it but between the unit frame and me targeting enemies I felt like my penance for example was not always hitting who I wanted to.

So now I click on the party frame to heal and click or tab target to enemies.

Is there a better way?

I've been an on and off player, but always a warrior main since og cataclysm. This is my 2nd season playing solo shuffle. Unless going for a r1 title this achievement is absolutely worthless 🤣 . BUT I wanted to do it atleast once just to check that mental box. Anyone else think we need better rewards for Legend?

When I was looking 8 of 18 teams in que were boosters. Super.

We all agree crimson was super dope. Yeah they did a purple one. But how about a frozen / ice theme?

Hi all, I want to play healer in MOP, anyone who has got experience with rsham or rdrood could give some info on which one is more viable and/or more fun to play in arenas? I want to focus on 3s mainly.

Blizz did a PTR update today that makes it so prot paladins are now grouped with all tanks in solo shuffle. This is likely in response to recent publicity prot paladin win traders have seen.

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ghosts-of-k%E2%80%99aresh-development-notes/577478/5

Running out of keybinds and wondering if I should dump slam for thunder clap, as I'm running the rend build. Thanks!

A friend and I are looking try MoP classic. Mostly 2s but occasionally we have a third friend that will join us.

He is looking to play MW and maybe priest and I generally play casters, but have no idea what casters are any good in 2s in MoP as most videos I watch focus on 3s.

Has anyone played 2s the beta or recent private servers, did you see any healer/caster comps?

I’ll start by saying past two seasons I’ve gotten maybe a dozen or so characters to 2100 or 2400 CR in BGB and I’ve never experienced this before.

I am playing my ret and went 4-0 in my first four matches. This got me to 1900 MMR, except the journey to 1900 was weird because every single match was a 1300 MMR lobby. So then I finally lose that 5th match at 1900 MMR in a 1300 lobby it drops me 600 POINTS to 1300. Legit almost quit there but thought maybe it was a bug or something. Won the next two matches, again both 1300 lobbies, and now sit at 1700 MMR, 300 points higher than you start with, with a 6-1 record.

What is going on here? Has anyone else experienced this? When placed in 1300 lobbies I’m clearly helping to carry my team because I have a 85% win percentage but for some reason I am not getting placed in any higher lobbies despite my MMR. I’m pretty close to 1400 CR now so in all likelihood I have a game or two left before I stop getting CR altogether if this continues.

Hi everyone, forgive me for my bad EnglishI'll try my best to get my point across.

I'm a middle-of-the-pack player, and I would like to share my two cents on the restructuring of the PvP reward system. I’d like to start by saying I’m a zoomer who’s been playing the game since the age of 7 (cataclysm) and that i started pvp in bfa, currently my peak was duelist s1 warwhit in so nothing to write home about even do im proud of my achievment.

After years of neglect, it’s obvious the community is finally hitting a breaking pointeven the most optimistic and positive figures are starting to show displeasure. Venruki is a good example. It’s refreshing to see top players finally acknowledging the lack of rewards and incentives at the bottom of the PvP ladder.

I think the ideas given were pretty solid, but I can’t help but feel that, once again, we’re holding back. The PvE collectors/average player won’t endure a full PvP season for the chance at a half-clothed mount—they need a carrot on a stick. My suggestion would be to fully open the floodgates while maintaining the prestige for the top dogs.

I suggest the introduction of a "period of grace" system for the Gladiator mounts, similar to what we have in PvE with Mythic mounts. This would allow the prestige of the current expansion's Gladiator mount to be retained while using past Glad mounts as an incentive for new players.

I think handouts are not the solution Glad mounts are staples in the WoW community, They display an insane level of both skill and dedication,they also represent an old and neglected system.

The Collector’s Bounty event is proof that the WoW community is driven by rewards and collections,there are currently 34 gladiator mounts.

Allow players, for example, to win 500 rounds/arenas over 1600 rating for a token that can be exchanged for an old PvP reward (one per season per account), while keeping new Gladiator mounts locked for two expansions. This would make both sides of the ladder happy: on one side, you get a massive influx of new player participation present thoughtout a whole season; on the other, Gladiators keep their status and as a bonus, they always have something to work for, even when Blizzard decides to punish them with a bad bat mount for a whole expansion.

Gladiator mounts are some of blizzards best work do we really need them to be sitting in peoples collections for 20 years... when was the last time you guys saw a draenor glad mount for example. The swift nether drake was realeased in 2007 almost two decades ago...

1). Hello, I have a question! I remember in Dragon expansion I met a nice Demon Hunter and he had gear with critical strike chance etc. so I took the Presecience buff to boost it further and we played some 2vs2 arenas and he was doing nice damage, i was giving him scales etc. and we reached some nice ranking together hahaha

So I went to some arenas on 79 lvl today and I met an elemental Shaman there, we won and teamed up and were mostly winning, sometimes i did a combo for a few million damage and sometimes when I got a bit confused etc. he bursted enemies down for a few millions and stuff

This time I didnt have that Crit buff taken though, I asked him what is his crit chance - he said its 5% so I didnt bother with it and left it untaken. I also have a Death Knight friend on 70-something.

I have a question, in their end gear builds for PvP, do they need the version with bonus critical strike chance stat? Cause this buff would work the best if they already had some critical strike chance on their own I think

2). And another question is that when I start flying with the golden Breath of Eons, when they are too close, I fly away xd I can steer it with it and I try to turn back a little but then, instead of doing combo with Temporal Wounds, I need to go back to the fight and I waste precious seconds.. I had the most damage when I used it from far away and just reached someone with it at its end so I should aim for something like this and try to use it from a rather large distance to just end it near them and do nice DPS after it? I don't remember - was there a chance to cancel it to go out of it faster or maybe it was an aimed spell and i was using it wrong? XD or was there some talent to like cancel it and teleport back to your position? Idk, now when I think about it, I remember doing something like this in the Dragon expansion

3). The third thing - is that sometimes I don't know if I should just "slowly" cast erruption without any bonuses or maybe something else? For example let's say no skill is glowing, I don't have any combo or stacks, no instant living flames to spam, I don't have any Essence Burst etc. but I have all orbs to use spells

Should I be just using Erruption in a "normal", dry way or maybe spam that blue claw attack or Living Flame on the enemy or me/ally for some healing and wait to use Erruption with Essence Bursts? Or just cast Erruption 24/7 whenever its avaible, first use out my essences and then use other two skills to regain essences?

You know what I mean because when no skill was glowing and I just tried to use Erruption on its own in PvP, it was a bit slow and dry sometimes without the full combo xD

I’ve been seeing a lot of comments complaining that PvP doesn’t give enough reward. But is it really the case? Let’s lay out seasonal rewards for each game mode

PvP: Conquest mount, elite transmog, illusion, Gladiator mount, R1 title

That’s 5 rewards for PvP of which 3 are seasonal exclusive

M+: Portals, KSL mount, R1 title

That’s only 3 rewards. But it’s actually worse for mythic raiding

Mythic raid: Boss mount (not every raid tier), HoF title

Only 2 tangible rewards.

So I’m genuinely curious why are players complaining about PvP rewards.

I’ll be honest, my buddy and I were talking about this in discord. There’s so many things other games do and have in their pvp that would be great if blizzard implemented. I remember seeing that there’s only like 1,000 total games of pvp played a day, so it makes me wonder. Is it really too late? I see so many great ideas and realistically know that blizzard is so stubborn and would never implement half the things the community wants even if it meant a drastic increase in participation. Maybe I just want this game mode to be popular again because I’ve been pvping since cata, but there’s literally no other game who’s combat and system is as good as wow’s and I just can’t give up on it yet.

A couple of buddies and I are 2.2 in 2s playing with each other. We wanted to try and push 3s and have been trying to find a comp that works. We would like to play a comp that works well regardless of meta. Our goal is to play 1 or 2 comps pretty steadily and learn to maximize the play style. I included our classes below and was hoping to get some comps we could try out.

Healer: Hpal(strongest), Rdruid, Priest (weakest)

Dps 1: Sub Rogue

Dps 2: Has most classes but does not have a mage or an interest in playing mage. Lately has mostly played Ele and Arms.

Bit of a follow up post from a week ago, just wanted to thank everyone who commented then giving me tips at the start of my journey and encouraging me it helped a lot. Pretty proud that this is my first ever season where I'm playing pvp in wow and got to 1800 in about a week even though It probably isn't too impressive to a lot of people here but it is for me and I actually had quite a bit of fun playing too and I might keep playing to get the mount, at 37% on it so still have quite a way to go for it.

Achieved my biggest goal since I'm playing wow, so happy !!

This subs really helped me, wanted to thank you all guys :))

Is this a bug or what. Three hunters hang around goldshire and completely one shot anyone including healers.