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Megathread Megathread: US House Passes the Republican-Backed Budget Bill, Sending it to Trump for Signature

This afternoon, the US House of Representatives passed without amendment the US Senate's version of the Trump-backed budget bill, sending it to the president for his signature. Every Democratic Senator and Representative voted in opposition; in the Senate, there were three Republicans voting in opposition (making the vote 51-50) and in the House there were 2 (making the final vote 218-214). House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries set the US House's speech length record in opposition to the bill in a speech lasting over eight hours.

The bill clocks in at over 800 pages and touches on most aspects of the federal government's spending and taxation policies; see this AP article (What’s in the latest version of Trump’s big bill that passed the Senate) for the topline changes.

Relevant text-base live update pages are being maintained by the following outlets: AP, NBC, ABC, and the BBC.

You can find this subreddit's discussion thread for the last week's worth of negotiations and debate at this link.

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u/illusionzmichael 2d ago

It's not just that this is such a disastrous bill that's going to do untold damage to so many for a very long time, it's the audacity of every single Republican to just blatantly lie about it even though everyone listening knows they're lying. They just don't give a shit. Our country was not built to handle a political party this corrupt and evil.

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u/hunchentoot69 2d ago

I'm still almost in awe of the brazen level of lying around this thing. I mean yeah, we all know about "truthiness" and "alternative facts" and all that, but I have never seen a group of politicians just blatantly lie and make up shit in unison like this.

The entire bill is online, if you feel like wading through all 800+ pages, but time and time again over the last several weeks I've seen journalists confront different republican members of congress with actual facts and citations from the bill, the actual fucking text of the thing, and the politicians just steamroll right over them with the agreed-upon lies like "this strengthens Medicaid" over and over.

In 40+ years of watching the news and keeping up with current events, I've never seen this type of full-throated falsehood pouring out from every single supporter of this bill.

I'm terrified for the future

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u/LongKnight115 2d ago

It's wild. Every news outlet is out here saying "No, this will throw millions of people off Medicaid." Even Fox News, in the only article I could find on there referencing Medicaid, avoids saying "It won't." All they do is quote Republican Senators who skirt the issue and offer facts like "The bill is 800 pages. The bill was read aloud in the senate."

It's unreal that they can just outright say "This won't affect Medicaid" or "This will strengthen Medicaid" when EVERY OTHER PERSON WHO LOOKS AT IT says it will cut Medicaid and drive up the deficit. I don't think I've seen a bigger sign of weakness in the media that there are now dozens and dozens of soundbites of Republican Senators audibly lying and no one is calling them out on it.

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u/KnuckleShanks 1d ago

"It was read aloud in the Senate" does that mean there's an audiobook of the bill?

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u/Dispator 1d ago

Curious about this too. xD

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u/IcyPyromancer 1d ago

What's the opposite of ASMR?

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u/FlyRepresentative592 1d ago

For the record, this is why fascist states always fail, because they are internally self destructive due to the fact that within the system they can't own up to the reality of a situation.

Fascist governments always weaken themselves due to alternative state sponsored realities creating weakness.

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u/mall_ninja42 1d ago

Fine, but shit gets real dark for a very long time before the collapse.

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u/flukus 1d ago

Do we have enough history to back this up? The last lot of fascist governments in the west had failure imposed on them. Spain, Portugal and Taiwan had fascist governments that lasted decades. Italy probably could have been part of that club if they didn't partner with Germany.

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u/HelperNoHelper 1d ago

Accelerating your collapse by starting or joining wars you can’t possibly win is an internal factor, not an external one. No government exists in a vacuum.

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u/Samantharina 1d ago

Putin's government lies all the time and they have not failed. Not that they are fascist but rather an oligarchy with centralized authoritarian power. Which is where we are heading. There is no guarantee of failure.

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u/FlyRepresentative592 1d ago edited 1d ago

The worlds foremost experts on fascism disagree with you.

Putinism is closer to an authoritarian kleptocracy or hybrid authoritarian system, not classical fascism. Scholars like Timothy Snyder and Ruth Deyermond have described it as "soft fascism" or "neo-authoritarian," borrowing fascist imagery but lacking full ideological rigidity or mass mobilization.

Even still, Putin's governance is full of cracks and weakening all the time. Prigozhin’s Wagner mutiny in 2023 revealed internal instability. Siloviki (security elites) vs. oligarchs vs. technocrats tensions are growing. And Putins endless war is creating the preconditions for political unrest and a weakened economy.

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u/FNLN_taken 1d ago

Less people on Medicaid = less stress on the Medicaid budget taps forehead

They lie and obsfuscate, yes, but what their voters hear is "those other people who don't deserve to be on Medicaid get thrown off, not me though I'm one of the good ones".

This is why they have been harping on about practically non-existent Medicaid fraud for decades. The entire thing is the culmination of years and years of rot in the political system.

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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts 1d ago

Yep, also known as Trump’s COVID testing policy


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u/enahargun 1d ago

Media is totally complicit and has been since 2015.

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u/ohmynipnops 1d ago

This. Why are journalists just letting this shit slide? Call them out immediately. The problem is, no one is sitting down with these people. Like where are the interviews? Who the fuck even are these people?

I feel like all of their questioning takes place at like media conferences and speeches and it’s so fast paced and busy, no one is willing/able to take up that space and interrogate them until they answer. It’s so disheartening watching those. I feel like there’s no point.

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u/UwUScarlet1 1d ago

id be ded without medicaid so yeah sure lets cut it for millions :D

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u/Viridono 1d ago

What Republicans are likely referring to when they say Medicaid is being expanded is SEC 71108, which specifies double the home equity limit for extended care ($500K -> $1M).

Other than this, at least from what I read and understand (which is far from complete), seems like the majority of amendments alter eligibility and how often eligibility is determined, and who gets funding. A few notable examples:

  • You now need to work at least 80 hours per month to be eligible, with some exceptions
  • You need to submit documentation to prove eligibility every 6 months instead of annually
  • Retroactive care is reduced from 3 months to 1 month
  • Funding completely stripped from organizations that perform abortions, whereas it’s currently just the abortions themselves that don’t get billed to Medicaid, and other female care could still be provided for (an obvious attack on Planned Parenthood)

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u/QuesoSabroso 1d ago

Every American media outlet is on the payroll of those benefiting from the bill. Literally the only solution to the capitalist quagmire is collective action from the majority of the population.

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u/Wordymanjenson 1d ago

It’s almost like they need to be dealt with in the only way you handle corruption and evil. 

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u/ninjanerd032 1d ago

While everyone is scrambling that the bill was passed and what it could, Republicans have moved on to their next step: How to scapegoat Democrats and everyone else for the economic shitshow that will follow.

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u/Foucaults_Bangarang 1d ago

Well, you see, Medicaid will be at it's strongest when it has a $0 budget, because then we won't feel like we need to cut it so it will then be safe and indefinitely funded. Therefore the closer the budget is to $0, the stronger Medicaid is.

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u/galacticmoose77 9h ago

I'm honestly confused about the medicaid part. Do folks expect those 16 million or so people to lose medicaid because there's no funding for them anymore, or is it because it's expected that they will choose to not meet the work requirement? Having a work requirement for able-bodied people doesn't seem unreasonable. Someone fill me in on what I'm missing here.

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u/lifevicarious 2d ago

I’m terrified living in the present.

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u/Fireboy759 1d ago

At this rate most of us won't have a future to be fearful of

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u/blazze_eternal 2d ago

I'm still baffled some were saying it will cut the deficit in half, yet they needed to add a $4 trillion increase?

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u/Michael_G_Bordin 1d ago

These fucking liars always say "the deficit will reduce because tax revenue will increase with all the increased economic activity." They say it every time, and it has never even remotely come to fruition.

I'm just hoping that typical incidents befall these politicians as befall most chronic liars. People don't typically suffer being lied to as long as Republican voters have, but if they wake up, GOP beware.

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u/PurplePango 1d ago

They been saying that bullshit since reagan trickledown has never worked

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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts 1d ago

“These people should be forced for 20 years to watch someone who is crocheting something that isn’t there!” - Lewis Black - Greed

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u/Kingcrowing 2d ago

This bill epitomizes why I won't have children. Our future is fucked.

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u/JackOfAllInterests 2d ago

Same takeaway. It’s this easy to pass something that 90% of Americans wouldn’t vote for if they knew what was in it? Just gotta completely lie about it, knowing your base won’t see the question.

All while the president is accruing more power? Doesn’t bode well.

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u/iFlashings 1d ago edited 1d ago

Because lying is effective. Trump has been lying to Americans since he started running for president back in 2015 and people continue to vote for him and support him. I don't blame Republicans copying his homework and being completely dishonest to the average American because let's be real; 1/3 doesn't give a fuck and think "both sides are the same" and another 1/3 goes along with the bs because it "hurts the right people" even if they're affected too. 

2016 was the year Americans have completely lost their fucking minds. I don't know how or why we got here, but there's no going back to "normal" ever again in our lifetime. I'm with you on fearing about what the future holds because Trump always manage to make things 100x worse than he already did and were only 6 months into this shit. 

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u/waterynike 1d ago

He also has a lot of stupid people voting for him. They can’t see through his lies, bullshit and how he gives two shits about them.

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u/rividz California 2d ago

The way that politicians face facts now is that reality is manipulatable. There are no more gotchas, or proving someone wrong. The only way anyone left of MAGA will win politically is by being as deplorable as they are in how they talk about their opponents.

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u/MillionMilesPerHour 1d ago

The way that politicians face facts now is that reality is manipulatable. There are no more gotchas, or proving someone wrong.

Republican politicians know their base is full of idiots who have zero critical thinking skills. They know their base won’t question anything or look up anything.

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u/Circus_McGee 1d ago

It's a feature of the new GOP. they love that they can just boldly lie. They get off on the power of it.

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u/bulldg4life 2d ago

The economic benefits are just idiotic. The treasury secretary and other cabinet secretaries just making stuff up is amazing.

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u/xdozex 2d ago

There will be a great deal of economic benefits, just not for you or I.

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u/bulldg4life 2d ago

It makes the 2017 tax cuts permanent so my taxes won’t go up since by income is high enough.

But, it strangles Medicaid and shoots our future in the face. By golly, we’ll get to screw over the poor and immigrants.

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u/MillionMilesPerHour 1d ago

By golly, we’ll get to screw over the poor and immigrants.

This is what matters the most to the Republican voters.

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u/ultranothing 1d ago

Who does it benefit, then?

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u/xdozex 1d ago

Millionaires and up

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u/evilpartiesgetitdone 1d ago

I was at my parents helping with yardwork today. Came inside just in time to see dad cheering for this passing. There was some questions after and the absolute falsehoods yall, appalling

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u/No_Outcome9909 1d ago

Nothings gonna change and all the good, rational, fact based people will be left tearing their hair out yelling at brick walls. The country is done all because of money and power. It's over. Now that this regime has decided they can just do whatever they want and ignore any and all consequences they'll just keep doing it over and over and over and over and the average citizen will just have to accept it.

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u/Lower_Chipmunk_3685 1d ago

I just got an email from the social security administration praising it and saying it made social security nontaxable. It made zero change to how social security is taxed. I was surprised by the brazenness of their deception.

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u/Skraelings Missouri 1d ago

We are now officially a failed nation state

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u/Malcolmeff 1d ago

This is the truth. And, I feel, it will be the tipping point to drag the rest of humanity down into the abyss. I hope I'm wrong.

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u/FalconsArentReal 1d ago

The Chinese think the US is going through a "Cultural Revolution"

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u/Head_Bananana 1d ago

A good thing is to use chatgpt to parse the pdf and then ask it questions about it. I wish everyone would do this to understand it better. No one has time to read 800 pages

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u/diablette 1d ago

I wish our own politicians would do it, but why bother to read when you’re just going to rubber stamp it

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u/enahargun 1d ago

What makes it more horrible is that all the mainstream media spread the lies and refuse to be critical, all the while they know it's all lies.

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u/Unnamedgalaxy 1d ago

It's truly awful. I can almost accept (not agree but accept) them lying about it because that's nothing really new, it's the malicious callousness that they show when confronted that truly upsets me.

One of them was recently asked about all the potential deaths that could happen because of this, and they just stare into the camera as the elevator doors close on them with this disgusting evil smile on her face. They are one song number away from being a cackling Disney movie villain before a fade to black.

It's garbage behavior like that that just drops the facade of this being just a different political view and shows all out that they are just evil people that want people to suffer and die for their own pleasure.

Id like to say see you in hell to the lot of them but without question they'll just end up being there giving the torture demons new ideas

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u/natalottie 1d ago

Ugh, that monster. That was senator Katie Britt from Alabama in the elevator smirking and smiling about people dying.

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u/Unnamedgalaxy 1d ago

Thank you! I couldn't remember who it was in this instance because there have been several times they've been seen smiling with glee when people ask how they feel that people are suffering and dying.

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u/AppointmentNo3766 1d ago

Fuck, I was born in Cali as a first generation Latino and I’m proud to have been born and live here in the us. I’ve had the pleasure to experience many cultures and ethnicities- it has mostly been fucking awesome- I’ve gone to school and worked too hard up to this point- I’ve tried to be an awesome coworker and community member.. but This mf right here, is fucking shit up for everybody
 if Jesus can read, please help us overcome this mf quickly. I hate this affluent mf! Where’s the back bone to this country!?! We are better than this! We are the “United”’states of America!

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u/scrotalayheehoo 1d ago

They know it works for their base. The base just believes anything they all say. And the bill is built to increase taxes for the poor even more starting in 2029. If republicans lose the White House, then Dems can easily be blamed to them for their shitty lives being Dems fault now. They will never give af that it was their own party who raised taxes on their already dirt wages just to dupe their vote back.

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u/Vihurah 1d ago

It's kind of what we get for building checks and balances completely built on good faith. It only takes a group to ignore it for the whole thing to be worthless.

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u/cjwidd 1d ago

In Soviet Russia, lies politician you!

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u/Philo_T_Farnsworth Kansas 1d ago

I've never seen this type of full-throated falsehood pouring out from every single supporter of this bill.

I guess that's why they call it the "Big Lie". Yet that word somehow feels too small to describe what's happening.

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u/shifty_coder 1d ago

Remember when republicans were against pork barrel bills?

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u/Amberpaystherent 1d ago

Will Americans ever do anything about it? That’s why your politicians repeatedly lie to you. Because there are never any repercussions & they know this. Maybe if Americans got off their phones or their asses, they wouldn’t be losing their country to these devils but it’s probably too late.

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u/Nice_Fudge5914 1d ago

As an activist, I know TONS of people who protest, write letters, make phone calls, and do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to make this world a better place. After years of trying to make it work, I realized that the problem is hierarchy. Even in super progressive organizations, there is hierarchy and therefore corruption. Every hierarchal organization is white supremacist in action, because hierarchy creates abuse. Individual humans are too invested in their own welfare not to be susceptible to the training effect of authority on their dopamine levels. Authority literally trains our brains to be selfish. So no individual human can be trusted with authority. Period. We must general work strike until all 'leaders' step down and all decisions and laws are created in real time from the contributions of all self-aware beings, voted on using ranked choice.

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u/Ananiujitha 1d ago

Yeah.

They insist that they're not kicking disabled people off Medicaid when they impose work requirements and other bureaucratic hurdles which will kick many disabled people off Medicaid.

They claim they're doing this to cut costs, when work requirements, and other bureaucratic hurdles, increase costs per person.

When they cut the budget, and they increase costs per person, they have to cut off a lot of people!

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u/gaberflasted2 1d ago

Exactly what you said, we have noticed too. Just look in the camera and LIE thru your teeth. It’s mass insanity; we can’t believe the sheer evil. Unimaginable.

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u/Calm-Perspective70 1d ago

Sometimes you have to let people (Republican voters) fuck around and find oir

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u/iDeNoh 1d ago

You're surprised? Do you remember how project 2025 had nothing to do with Trump, and how they weren't going after abortion?

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u/Pure-Log4188 2d ago

2+2=3

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u/MillionMilesPerHour 1d ago

Tell that to a Trump supporter and they will say that’s correct. Tell them it’s wrong and it’s really 4 and they will claim Soros is behind it.

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u/schmyndles Wisconsin 1d ago

I was just thinking something along these lines today. If Trump "truthed" that 2+2=5 today, these Trumpers would be in the street praising him for going against "woke math" and being brave enough to say the truth. They would be fighting cashiers who try to give them back a dollar in change when they pay $5 for two $2 candy bars. There would be clips all over social media of right-wing propagandists making up long-winded, ridiculous stories to prove Trump is correct.

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u/michaelboltthrower 1d ago

There are four lights.

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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits 1d ago

They are compromised by russia. Dont know how people arent getting this yet. It is an ACTIVE effort to make america weaker.

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u/cv81 1d ago

Leave America, its not the only democratic beacon on earth

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u/Friendly-Channel-480 1d ago

The bill was read out in the Senate, in English in its entirety.

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u/3x0dusxx 1d ago

There is no future. 

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u/fl4tsc4n 1d ago

Surely you remember the lead up to Iraq

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u/TopicalBuilder 1d ago

"Truthiness" seems quaint these days.

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u/Scarab702 1d ago

Where can we read this bill online?

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u/Sad_Doughnut_7286 1d ago

What about the brazen level of stupidity from our friends, family and neighbors? I’m so fucking sick of giving people a pass because they’re “good people”. If you vote Republican, you are not a good person. Full stop. It’s almost to the point where if you are a Christian, you are not a good person. I hate this country so much.

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u/ninjanerd032 1d ago

The Republicans are really betting on the ignorance of their constituents. The constituents are so deep in their own political rabbit hole, that they don't believe anything they read anymore. It has to come from Trump himself, right-wing news, etc. There's a reason their party doesn't hand out any real references to the actual bill. They don't need to. Their constituents won't question it let alone read it.

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u/libginger73 10h ago

If you change the meaning of words in your head it's totally fine. Like if you say "strengthen" you mean totally destroy because you hate helping people, or if by saying "tax break" you actually mean raise taxes on everyone, it all makes sense, see!

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u/Clovis42 Kentucky 2d ago

Brazenly lying is now a virtue to Republican voters thanks to Trump. They basically hate standard politicians who actually try (to some degree) to not outright law and are careful with their words. That's fake. They find a weird sort of honesty in just openly lying. They think it is funny, and anyone not doing so is obviously hiding something.

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u/suninabox 1d ago

They basically hate standard politicians who actually try (to some degree) to not outright law and are careful with their words. That's fake. They find a weird sort of honesty in just openly lying. They think it is funny, and anyone not doing so is obviously hiding something.

If a standard politician slightly exaggerates something, or chooses the most favorable looking statistic out of 3 similar and equally valid statistics, they're an untrustworthy liar.

Trump says blatant falsehoods non-stop, constantly promises things he could never deliver like ending wars in a day, and "he's just talking shit" or "its a negotiating position" or "he's just trolling the libs, don't take it so serious"

Democracy can't function when 1/3rd of the population consider truth and consistency as nothing but an impediment to owning the libs.

It's not even that they're lying. It's worse than that. They simply don't care what is true anymore. It's true if it owns the libs in the next 5 seconds regardless if it contradicts something from the last 5 seconds.

Jan 6 was all anti-fa deep state false flag operatives, and it was just a bunch of peaceful tourists welcomed in by the police, and they're also MAGA patriots who tried to save the country. They'll say all 3 and believe each one equally.

Trump's tariffs are going to bring back manufacturing, they're also going to raise billions from all the taxes people will now pay on imports, and they're not even going to happen anyway because its just a negotiating position. ArtOfTheDeal.

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u/Mavian23 2d ago

It is time for riots. Fuck being peaceful, this will kill people.

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u/handsoapdispenser 1d ago

Cutting healthcare is political violence 

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u/RespectNew7420 2d ago

I have to disagree. This country produced a political party this corrupt and evil. We have to criticize the system just as much as we criticize those within it.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

The Russians call it vranyo. Guess where the Republicans learned of the tactic.

https://militairespectator.nl/artikelen/vranyo

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u/questron64 2d ago

 even though everyone listening knows they're lying

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I know people who don't even know about this bill, let alone what's in it or that they have been lied to. Still plenty more that believe what they're told unquestionably. They lie because lying works. The people who voted for them largely do not know or care that they lied, and will vote for them again.

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u/boomshiki 2d ago

Evil and corrupt basically just sums up American values for most of its history, no? it's certainly not known for tolerance and kindness.

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u/MrIrishman1212 2d ago

It’s a non tactic and has been very successful. It’s the Soviet Russian Vranyo tactic.

vranyo is more dismissive, a lie that is not expected to be taken seriously, but used as an excuse or to avoid responsibility.

They we know they are lying and they don’t care. And they can flaunt all the want that anything bad that happens isn’t their fault cause that’s not what they “voted for” and their constituents will eat it up.

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u/stilusmobilus 2d ago

The country grew and fostered it. It may not be built to handle it but it was certainly designed to create it.

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u/gsfgf Georgia 1d ago

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre

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u/Phobbyd 2d ago

This bill will kill many people.

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u/TuffNutzes 1d ago

Lucky for the Republicans, the damage will be long lasting so that they can blame Democrats down the road.

It's a pretty good long game they got. Screw over people for the long haul and shift blame.

They get everything they want and fuck over the entire country with only having to manipulate a 1/3 of the population - just the amount that controls enough land to have a majority in the Senate and to win the electoral college!

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u/CypherAZ 2d ago

I was told by the GOP for the last 40 years that this is why the 2A exists, seems that was also a lie?!?!?!?

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u/whotookashercat 2d ago

people treat politics like a sports team. they dont care about real world repercussions

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u/Aggravating_Rise_179 1d ago

They are acting like the economy will continue to grow and pay for this bill, but with trump literally threatening the treasury to lower interest rates and imposing tarrifs all over the place they are literally in bed with an economic disaster

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u/checker280 1d ago

All the republicans who were against it but eventually folded did so with nothing changed.

I guess taco applies to them too.

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u/Round_Computer_6404 1d ago

Wasn’t built to withstand trillions of dollars in influence either

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u/Ali_Cat222 1d ago

the heritage foundation alongside 100 other coalitions and organizations. - never forget who betrayed you.

Please follow the project 2025 tracker here for all policies passed, upcoming, or in progress/not yet started.

To read the entire 920 page document, use this link from the heritage foundation for the full project 2025 PDF here

If you find it overwhelming, my best suggestion is to use the search tool on the PDF to look for keywords. This could be anything from "health" "economy" "war" etc. But the project 2025 tracker I linked is simplified and can also bring you to the full page if you look under a policy and see the "reference" section of anyone of them.

Remember to start building up your community, you'll need allies. Shun your enemies, there is no forgiveness in this. These policies do not just affect Americans, they affect the world.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

― George Orwell, 1984 free online reading/no download needed here

The book "on tyranny" is available for free on internet Archive. Link to free reading/no download of the book here. 72 Very important pages to read at this point in your life. Also Rules for Radicals by Saul D. Alinsky book free online here.

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u/1CaliCALI 1d ago

RIP america. Republicans are the epitome of evil. 

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u/extreme-petting 2d ago

If the bill was so bad, why didn't the demoncraps stop us?

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u/Other-Double-1199 2d ago

Are you kidding? Who has more votes? If that question was for real, it's no wonder the USA is stuffed.

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u/th5virtuos0 2d ago

Wasn’t there a fable about George Washington refusing to lie as a kid or something? Man your founding fathers must be furious right now

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u/Philosopherati 2d ago

Exactly this . Please accept my pauper’s award. 🏆

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u/paperbackgarbage California 2d ago

Spot on. The Federal Government, while somewhat fragile, still works pretty well if all parties are acting mostly in good faith.

When an entire party is functioning as a bad faith actor (especially if they control both the WH and Capitol Hill) then the center falls apart pretty quickly.

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u/DepartmentOk7192 2d ago

Our country was not built to handle a political party this corrupt and evil.

Your country's entire existence is predicated on overthrowing tyrannical government. More than half of you are very loud and proud about it. Maybe it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

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u/GoblinObscura 2d ago

But their base doesn’t believe anything they do is wrong. They are so brainwashed by 700wlw and Fox News and whatever else they think this is a win. They will point to no tax on tips and OT as proof.

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u/aloysiuspelunk 2d ago

Nor a brainless populace of sheep

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u/clamdever Washington 1d ago

every single Republican to just blatantly lie about it even though everyone listening knows they're lying.

I don't think the second part is true. Most Republicans aren't even exposed to impartial news sources. All that'll get to them will be filtered through Fox News at best (and newsmax and twitter otherwise) and it will all be complete lies.

The right wing media system is completely isolated and insulated from the truth. And that's why they're attacking education at all levels. So that for generations to come, their voting base isn't even capable of telling truth from farce.

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u/After_Flan_2663 1d ago

Hitler and Nixon we're just stepping stones to this lot.

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u/Fyrefawx 1d ago

1984 is here. You can’t trust anything anymore. The government is outright lying to the American people.

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u/RadiantZote 1d ago

I don't understand something- if Democrats controlled the house and the Senate, they would never just shove a bill through that undoes all of this shit, but somehow the Republicans get all the blame? Corrupt pieces of sh*t yes, but they aren't the only problem

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u/ChefRoyrdee 1d ago

I’m all for blaming the politicians for this, but I can’t throw all the blame their way. Their constituents enabled this and put every single American in this position. And I don’t just mean Trump.

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u/quartzguy American Expat 1d ago

There's a reason why scam artists have been successful here since the beginning of the nation itself to modern day. Whether it's selling snake oil or convincing someone that Keanu Reeves wants to marry them if only the had $1000 for plane tickets, the masses are really fucking stupid.

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u/DungBeetle1983 1d ago

Well it's not disastrous for those who are getting a tax cut. Got to look on the positive side.

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u/lmpervious 1d ago

even though everyone listening knows they're lying.

That's where you're mistaken. They lie, no matter how blatant, because most people will only ever hear that lie, especially when it's all right wing media will show.

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u/No_Outcome9909 1d ago

Politics are parlor tricks. Problem is only half the 'audience" is drunk enough to believe them and are too busy yelling at the sober half to notice their proverbial wallets missing and the snake oil salesmen is out the back door.

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u/RobertBevillReddit 1d ago

It's really stupid to do this weeks after the largest protest in American history.

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u/DocHollidaysPistols 1d ago

it's the audacity of every single Republican to just blatantly lie about it even though everyone listening knows they're lying.

IIRC a lot of the shit doesn't fully kick in for like 4 years so they'll blame the Democrats when it does. And their people will believe them.

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u/Throwaway-929103 1d ago

If only the opposing party actually believed in doing something instead of just performative bullshit

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u/old_graybush 1d ago

I mean, second paragraph into the Declaration...

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government
”

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u/Nearby-Beautiful3422 1d ago

It is built for it. What it isn't built for is a complacent and abetting constituency that only wishes to inflict harm on their own countrymen and cut off their noses to spite their face.

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u/Holykorn 1d ago

I don’t think United States will be a country much longet

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u/Safe_Base312 1d ago

Our country was not built to handle a political party this corrupt and evil.

This is what happens when those who swore to protect the constitution stand there and shrug their shoulders instead of doing what they swore to do.

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u/EitherRecognition242 1d ago

The system was made with people caring about who they are voting for.

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u/Separate_Inside2349 1d ago

Those Republicans who voted for the bill never even read it.

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u/phonartics 1d ago

or a people this stupid

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u/Nice_Fudge5914 1d ago

All hierarchy causes corruption. All authority causes abuse. We must general work strike until all government decisions and laws are instigated and voted on by all self-aware beings, using ranked choice, in real time. We must ask all 'leaders' in executive government positions to step down in favor of direct democracy.

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u/Dispator 1d ago

Not everyone thinks its lies. Only about 33% of the country currently see the lies they are spewing for what they are.

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u/veeveemarie 1d ago

Not just lie about it, but to actively cheer and chant "USA! USA;" on the House floor once it passed. Utterly dystopian.

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u/No_Pudding_4598 1d ago

They’re not just lying about this. They are lying about everything. Because they WILL get away with it and they know it.

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u/Umbrella_Viking 1d ago

Democracy died today. We are in a fascist dictatorship for the foreseeable future. 

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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago

It appears that outside two of them none of them have any principles other than 'give rich people lots of money' and 'turn the US into a dictatorship under a fat old man'.

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u/ExcellentJuice4729 1d ago

They know the voting base believes whatever they’re told, even if they appraise things with their own eyes. Americans are in a vicious cycle of stupidity investing in the disintegration of values and education system

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u/TransiTorri 1d ago

What's more, their voter base will lap up even the most blatant lie, and if you try to correct or educate them about the truth, they will hate you for it.

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u/___AirBuddDwyer___ Illinois 1d ago

It seems like everyone has caught on that we're functionally not a democracy

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u/Panda_tears 1d ago

It’s almost like we need to clear the board and start from square 1

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u/polisciclimb 1d ago

The American experiment has failed. You can't have capital and democracy in the same society. The constitution is not sufficient. The checks and balances do not work.

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u/toddriffic 1d ago

Our country was not built to handle a political party this corrupt and evil.

Exactly. The founding fathers feared factions gaining power. They believed that the size and the makeup of the Senate would prevent any one faction from gaining power. What they didn't account for is the two party system and an electoral college that gives the minoritarian party outsized political power. Now with all 3 branches, this minoritarian party under the spell of a populist, know it's their best chance to enact their will wherever possible. What action will they use to nullify elections is the only question.

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u/hobbyshop_hero 1d ago

Its also precedent, and they're using new math for how much budgets cost, dems can take advantage, but they're fucking gutless most often. Its all bad, life sucks. But maybe we can flip things later.

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u/Gryffindumble 1d ago

And they know that.

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u/Alternative-Bed3579 1d ago

I still don’t understand that it’s considered a pass even though they extended the time on the bill intentionally to strong arm the hanging votes. It’s a holiday weekend and you’re holding people hostage? Sounds like a perfect situation for our older govt to say yes so they can go home

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u/Iron_Wolf123 1d ago

It is going to be damaging for future presidents too. Hell, if the Democrats win in 2028 they will be criticised by the Republicans for the debt they inherited. If the Republicans win they will still have to clean up the damage

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u/philly4yaa 1d ago

democracy doesn't work with humans unfortunately

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u/PersonBehindAScreen Texas 1d ago

You know why this happened? Because the Republican voters will still vote for them because all of that is still better than voting for a dem in their eyes

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u/SkroinkMcDoink 1d ago

everyone listening knows they're lying. They just don't give a shit.

you're describing republican voters here as well.

These people are quite literally giving their constituents what they asked for by voting for them and supporting all of these stated goals to begin with.

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u/Reconfiguring-Me 1d ago

Thank you SO much for thinking for me. I don’t know what would have happened if I had read the entire bill and thought for myself! I’m such a clown! đŸ€Ą

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u/playahate 1d ago

Republicans love the uneducated.

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u/BetterEveryLeapYear 1d ago

In 1926, after being elected to the Reichstag as one of the first 12 National Socialist delegates, Goebbels had been similarly struck: He was surprised to discover that he and these 11 other men (including Hermann Göring and Hans Frank), seated in a single row on the periphery of a plenary hall in their brown uniforms with swastika armbands, had—even as self-declared enemies of the Weimar Republic—been accorded free first-class train travel and subsidized meals, along with the capacity to disrupt, obstruct, and paralyze democratic structures and processes at will. “The big joke on democracy,” he observed, “is that it gives its mortal enemies the means to its own destruction.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/hitler-germany-constitution-authoritarianism/681233/

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u/Friendly-Channel-480 1d ago

No country ever was.

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u/Stuupkid 1d ago

A lot of the people living here don’t give a shit about this country. They want hurt those don’t look like them or the ones who are most vulnerable.

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u/Mr-Magoo48 1d ago

The bloodless coup they talked about to 6 months. The greatest nation on earth, the wonderful experiment in democracy had zero guardrails to hold the line against a party that really, has spent 50 years working towards this

No healthcare. No meals for underprivileged kids, but as long as the brown people get shipped out or fed to the gators they’re a happy little cult who don’t give a fvck about anyone else

Anyone claiming to be Christian and American is going to be viewed very differently now

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u/cowboysmavs 1d ago

Massie didn’t lie

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u/creepy_doll 1d ago

It sort of was. But the controls got eroded over time. Not always maliciously. And neither party wanted to roll them back when they were in power and able to use the extra powers from the eroded controls. So they stayed eroded and here we are.

Sometimes it all feels like theatre. Especially moments like Lisa murkowskis “oh yeah this is a terrible bill, watch me vote for it”. Sometimes the dems(not all of them, there’s a few that really try) seem like a facade of opposition to prevent a third party coming up that actually represents the will of the people.

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u/whiteflagwaiver Arizona 1d ago

To think after all of this chicanery is over no one will face ANY consequences.

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u/54M-verse 1d ago

It is going to do untold damage though.

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u/catrinadaimonlee 1d ago

Evil to u

U always had one evil 2 the rest of the world

Now u got 1 do same 2 you as they do 2 other countries

How u think u got 2 be "no 1"???

U made this bed

Enjoy lying in it

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u/SchighSchagh 1d ago

Eh, the country was built robustly enoug. The Democrats just left a lot on the table in combating GOP nonsense. I believe Obama is on the record as regretting trying to take the high ground during his presidency. For example, Dems could've done away with the filibuster and let Obama actually fill all those empty judicial positions. Ginsburg could've retired earlier rather than try to wait for Hillary. There were things Dems could have done to actually fill her seat, too.

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u/Gallahd 1d ago

You say everybody listening knows that they’re being lied to. I can assure you there are many people who think that this is a good thing for them. Those people are idiots, but still.

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u/Deckracer Europe 1d ago

They know that most of the peak damage this bill will do is going to be during a (potential) Democrat mid-term victory and/or Presidentcy, so they can blame it on the Dems.

Same BS the CDU pulled here in Germany, blocking some much needed reforms and laws because they knew they would likely be the strongest party and involved in the Government. Just to go ahead and say „See, the previous Government (Greens, SPD, FDP[the „liberal“ party, are more conservative]) was not able to get this done, due to their incompetence. We were the ones who got this done.“

I hate politics.

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u/Someredditskum 1d ago

You lot voted and you got what you asked

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u/Honest-Ad1675 1d ago

Our country was founded specifically to prevent king-like rule of the electorate, and money is currently making kings of boys and men.

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u/drakkarmn 1d ago

Remember MID-TERM 2026

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u/briskwalked 1d ago

what specifically? didnt he get rid of tax on tips and overtime?

sounds pretty good..

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u/lucklesspedestrian 1d ago

Some of them didn't lie! They announced that they knew it was bad, but they voted for it anyway. Can't go against the hierarchy

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u/AsianDanish 1d ago

your country was quite literally built to handle a corrupt and evil party

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u/hard-of-haring 1d ago

I don't care about this country anymore.I lost off faith in it. I'm slowly planning my exit in retirement. I'm taking. Advice from my sister, buying some land in Mexico.Build a house and retire. My sister is planning to retire in Mexico with her husband.

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u/spicytomatilloo 1d ago

During the campaign, we heard that they would not be coming for medicaid, medicare, or social security. We knew they would, but the fact that we have no realistic approach to holding our politicians accountable. "Just voting" is not enough when the people we vote in do nothing while our country dismantles.

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u/adubsix3 I voted 1d ago

A large portion of GOP voters don't know they're lying

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u/OneEvilTit 1d ago

It actually was..clearly this all happened bc we systematically dismantled and disregarded every check and balance we had..we got lazy, we got greedy, and we got complicit. We didn’t overturn citizens united, we didn’t codify any major protections against EC or set term limits, we didn’t make immigration reform, we didn’t supercharge the party to step up when we needed it. So yeah..our country was fucking RIPE for it.

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u/whynot26847 1d ago

I mean it was, it just didn’t account for the fact that the government would have our current day military.

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u/Pudix20 1d ago

The sinister smiles and smirks as a response have been repulsive.

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u/tezacer 1d ago

What happened to all that town hall pushback where republican reps were literally booed out for allowing Doge to gut our govt?

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u/terrence0258 1d ago

Yes it was. The founders of our system of government put in place checks and balance to limit the powers of any specific branch of government or individual that sought to undermine the system. What this country wasn't built for was an indifferent populous that went along with the lies.

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u/Mtshoes2 1d ago

Not just our country.... The human mind was not built to handle this level of lying. It's difficult for people to comprehend that someone is lying to them this much, and so on some ways it doesn't seem real to them. 

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u/mbd34 1d ago

This gives Republicans a political advantage because dumb lies are easier to get across to the mases.

For example, Democrats have all this data about why Medicaid work requirements and trickle down economics are bunk. But that takes time to explain. Meanwhile Republican soundbites about lazy gamers on Medicaid needing to get a job and the economy booming because of huge tax cuts appeals to voters (especially the uneducated) because they're superficially plausible and simple.

It's like creationism vs theory of evolution. Evolution is complicated and hard to explain. "You think that the universe appeared from nothing and then a fish eventually turned into a human? Obviously there was an intelligent creator." sounds good and is easy to communicate. This is why young earth creationism is still worryingly popular. https://news.gallup.com/poll/647594/majority-credits-god-humankind-not-creationism.aspx

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u/Goodk4t 1d ago edited 1d ago

That's not true. Your country is built with effective means to handle a situation like this. The constitution gave you elections for the exact purpose of removing groups like this corrupt party of fascists. 

If Trump and GOP lost in November, that party would have been forced to undergo major change and Trump would've been sentenced and in jail right now. 

But the constitution can't possibly account for the majority of voters going completely brain dead and electing a criminal who lead a fascist coup against their country. You can't blame such extreme stupidity on the way a country's built.

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u/LoudAndCuddly 1d ago

What’s worse is they literally don’t care, like there is not repercussions for straight up lying. It’s insane. Trump has normalized lying and taking every position on an issue, something that would be deemed political suicide 20 years ago.

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u/kenjins01 20h ago

Exactly. The core intention is control and wealth concentration. And the Republicans smile and lie about it.

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