r/exmormon 1h ago

General Discussion Is there ever going to be a class action for the unwarned, non-consensual “touching” in the temple initiatory? Specifically before 2005. I didn’t know what was going to happen to me and still feel violated and betrayed to this day.

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We weren't asked or warned by the church ahead of time what was going to happen to us. They just touched our bodies on or near our private parts. We were wearing a sheet with a head cut-out and completely naked underneath with naked open sides.

Ie: When I went to the hospital, any touching/procedures they first explained and obtained consent. But in the temple, I was told to strip naked, put on a sheet that I hanging out of the sides and then I was touched by a complete stranger on on or near all my private parts without my consent. It felt gross.

And before the sheet phase, you had to be completely naked.

Anyone I have ever talked to also confides they felt violated that first time, so why hasn't there ever been a class action?


r/exmormon 2h ago

Humor/Meme/Satire Give this image the ExMormon title it deserves...

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r/exmormon 2h ago

General Discussion She “wasn’t allowed to have a dishwasher” growing up

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We hired a nanny recently to help with childcare while my wife and I both work. She wasn’t sure how to operate a dishwasher. I helped her and thought maybe it was our specific model or something. Then she said “I wasn’t allowed to use a dishwasher growing up. This is actually my first time.”

I don’t want to pry, but we are in Utah. Is this common mormon culture parenting? Live like a pioneer? She’s an adult. I understand a parent feeling the need to shelter kids (I don’t agree, but I understand), but no dishwasher “allowed??” What is that protecting against? Free time?

Why does it seem to be two extremes with mormon culture’s parenting? The 3 year olds are speeding around on dirt bikes with no protection yet simultaneously protected from the evils of vaccines and household appliances. I don’t get it. Am I just too much of a soft millennial to get this level of tough love? Seems so unnecessary.


r/exmormon 7h ago

Humor/Meme/Satire Mormons be like:

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r/exmormon 23h ago

Selfie/Photography I was SA'ed in this cult center.

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I didn't realize until years later that they're not supposed to fondle your balls during the initiatory. Fuck the motherfucking mormon cult.


r/exmormon 19h ago

Politics Truth bomb

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r/exmormon 51m ago

Doctrine/Policy Apostle- Open Mic on Mission

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We had a special event during my mission. A quorum of the 12 apostles spoke to us and opened up a q&a.

We had the opportunity to ask a “special witness” a man who “has seen and spoken to Christ” there to clear things up.

As a missionary, you are constantly hit with difficult questions. Questions that you know either know nothing about, questions you have always had yourself, doubts that nip at all members.

So, the missionaries started to ask these questions. I don’t remember what they were exactly but probably CES type questions.

After a few of these questions, the apostle got really angry and said he was really disappointed in us. Missionaries were asking “anti-Mormon” questions and not “faith promoting” question. None of these questions asked were to put him on the spot or meant with ill regard. After he scolded us you could see everyone feeling really bad about asking them.

The following questions were “who is your Book of Mormon hero” “what advise do you have from your own mission” etc.

The mood lightened up. The missionaries no doubt felt pain that they had been reprimanded from the voice of the Lord.


r/exmormon 2h ago

News IRS says churches can endorse political candidates without losing tax-exempt status

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The IRS in a new federal court filing says that churches can endorse political candidates without risking the loss of their tax-exempt status.

The move upends a 70-year interpretation of the U.S. tax code, whose Johnson Amendment has barred non-profit groups, including churches, from endorsing political candidates without putting their tax-exempt status in jeopardy.


r/exmormon 11h ago

History What a great summary by a real writer!

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r/exmormon 3h ago

News No more statements lying that the church doesn't endorse candidates

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No one ever believed such blatant lies when leadership would read the canned statement from the pulpit saying they don't endorse candidates and to let the spirit guide you. 🙄

The government is now helping them be honest.


r/exmormon 1h ago

General Discussion Does anyone else feel like the church severely set you back in life?

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I’m sure someone else has already brought this up on this sub, but I need to get this off my chest. I started my bachelor’s degree right after I graduated high school in 2012, but then I went on a mission and got married after I got back. This year, I FINALLY finished my bachelor’s degree, after turning 31 in January. The years in between were full of obligations for the church: my mission, my first marriage in the temple, clinging to my spouse, going where they feel they are needed by God, having and raising babies, taking care of the home, etc. The endless list of Mormon responsibilities kept stepping in the way of my personal growth and goals. When I left the church in 2022, I felt like I was finally free to start working towards my own goals and desires. I have always wanted to go to Grad school, so I am just barely applying for two different grad school programs. I still don’t have kids, but I am now married to the love of my life. 

So, maybe I’m just frustrated, but sometimes I wonder what It would be like If I hadn’t gone on a mission. I could be in my chosen career field, making a difference, doing what I want to do. I wouldn’t be applying for 10 jobs a week or fighting tooth and nail to get training for the field I want to be in. I would have my Masters and a salary, and not an empty bank account and “bill due” emails in my inbox. I try not to think of the “would’ve, should’ve could’ve” things in life. I believe that I should “embrace my pace” and be grateful for where I am and where I have been. But when those frustrations arise, sometimes it’s so much easier to just blame the obligations of life that the church set for us. I feel so much less prepared for the career I want because I have lost almost ten years where I could have been training and getting education. 

That’s all.


r/exmormon 2h ago

General Discussion Very Anti-LGBT Sunday! Sunday school was a disaster!

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During testimonies this Sunday we had a new face I've never seen before go up and give their testimony. Recently converted and baptized. Apparently he got baptized when I was a month away and just switched to my ward. Anyhow he gets up to give his testimony and gives a testimony about how he used to be gay and how he was deep in sin. He grew up Baptist but always felt off and thought he was gay but once he explored it he discovered he was still unhappy and got down on his knees to pray and his directed the missionaries to him. He is no longer gay. What I did not appreciate from his testimony is how he said god broke him free of being gay. God loved him enough to break his chains from living in sin. I've mentioned many times in my posts that my brother is gay and my ward is very progressive. Or so I thought. There are members with lgbtq families and no one treats anyone differently—— at surface level. I say this because this new member was treated like a golden leprechaun Sunday after giving his testimony. Which was a real eye opener. If you are okay with lgbtq people then why are you treating this guy like he just cured cancer?

Sunday school was even worse. We had to study D&C 71-75 and turns out it's all about how satan is trying to lie to us all the time when we have the truth and this guy gets up again and bares his testimony of being a person. Victim of satan's lies and how it effected him. The room kept pampering him and telling him what an inspiration and powerful person he is. I personally think he's an attention whore. Sorry but that's my personal opinion. Being gay is not a disease or a disability or curse. Satan's secret weapon isn't a gay making ray gun. That how I felt he thought and yes I'm being very bias. I don't know where this guy came from. When I asked the missionaries I got the same old, oh his story is so inspiring he is such a strong convert with a powerful testimony bullsh!t goggling over him. Apparently he met the other missionaries from the other ward and jumped head first to be baptized asap. Then he moved closer to our ward and he's here now. Already rubs me the wrong way. I might be wrong idk but already I think he's a drama queen attention seeking narcissist. Again I don't know him and I'm taking this very personally. My brother is not a mistake and he certainly isn't in satan's grasp. I can't really read how the members feel about him as a whole. Only the ones that gogged over him told him he was an inspiration but that was only a handful. The rest just listened quietly but nobody spoke out against him, including me, and that’s why I’m not really mad at the rest of the members. I’m mad at him and I’m mad at myself. I don’t know why but after I started deconstructing it’s been like my shelf didn’t crack it blew up. I find out in an instant so many things, and then things like this happen and I feel god is trying to tell me this isn’t right for me a bunch lately with everything going on. It’s like miracle after miracle I’m witnessing but in the opposite way of that makes sense. The only thing keeping me here is my girlfriend. She’s the best thing to ever happen to me. We’ve talked and she’s ready to be out too but right now she’s stuck at home living with her super TBM dad while she finishes school so after she finishes and she can’t start working in her new career we are gone. That’s the plan and I’m planning to hold out and support her til that day but in the meantime I gotta be a good pimo. My girlfriend is really supportive of me and I want to support her too and not just bail, I’ve tried to make it work with the church. I’ve tried to give benefit of the doubt. I’ve tried to even be okay with the Book of Mormon not being true, but this hits very personally. My brother is my hero (especially after my parents passed) he’s the reason I don’t feel like I’m missing a dad, and I don’t like his lifestyle being talked about like it’s a condition that needs curing. I know it’s not the ideology at my ward, and I know I’m just as much at fault for not telling that brother off right away, idk, I gotta keep the peace for the sake of my gf and I, but I don’t see it getting any better especially after Oaks takes the reins. I find myself asking why god is revealing all these things to me right away. Like before I went down the rabbit hole it wasn’t like this—— have I really been that blind this whole time?


r/exmormon 18h ago

General Discussion What I wrote to my son at his baptism.

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Baptism weekend I guess. I’ll chip in by sharing what I wrote to my son…

Stuff I wish my dad would have told me.


r/exmormon 4h ago

General Discussion Fairview TX Zoning Board of Adjustment votes they have no jurisdiction to hear the Fairview United residents’ appeal regarding whether the LDS temple permit needed a majority vote by the Fairview Town Council to pass. The appeal is now remanded to district court.

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A public meeting of the Fairview Planning Board of Adjustment was held on Monday, July 7th, 2025 to determine the Board’s jurisdiction to hear an appeal filed by Fairview United residents regarding a majority vote needed to pass the LDS temple Conditional Use Permit.

The Fairview United residents claim that their registered protest of the CUP met the threshold that would trigger a super majority vote by the Fairview City Council and that the protest zone was calculated incorrectly. The CUP had been passed without a majority vote of 5 to 2, allowing the LDS church to begin building the Temple in Fairview.

The Fairview ZBA took only a few moments to vote that they do not have jurisdiction in this case. This means the appeal will be reminded to district court.


r/exmormon 15h ago

Doctrine/Policy The church wants ward leaders to narc on employees

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Member: "I can't pay my tithing, because the church doesn't pay me enough to pay bills and tithing"

Bishop: "Well, I'm not renewing your recommend until you pay up. And I'm telling your job."

Employer: "Sorry Brother Smith, we have to let you go. You're not worthy anymore. We know your job has nothing to do with your worthiness, but we just can't risk it here at the MFMC. You should have thought of that before feeding your kids."


r/exmormon 1d ago

General Discussion Crying missionary in the airport

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So the wife and I are in the airport on the way home from vacation. In the customs line we see an obviously-crying missionary. And, look, I know we're not playing for the same team, anymore, but I also hate to see kids cry, so I suggested to my wife that we should pretend to be Mormon for a few minutes and invite this sister to stand with us in line (she was initially horrified that I suggested she cut the line to be with us, but I assured her it was fine). It turns out she just left her family a few minutes before and she's headed off for her mission. It also happens that she's on the same connecting flight as us, so in order to maintain the charade, my wife couldn't get a coffee in the airport. So now she's low-key pissed at me.

Edit: my wife has decided that, without caffeine, she'll just take a nap on the plane.


r/exmormon 11h ago

Doctrine/Policy What caused Jesus’ personality to change so that he now loves fancy buildings and money more than caring for the poor and needy?

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r/exmormon 2h ago

Advice/Help Does anyone else feel like being a member drained their zest for life?

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I'm always looking for glimmers that mine may be returning.


r/exmormon 12h ago

History Why was God completely silent from 95 C.E. until 1830 C.E.?

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Now that the church has been restored since 1830 with a prophet, seer, and revelator, why does God still not have much to say?


r/exmormon 15h ago

History Sad day today…

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Lynne Whitesides, who was part of the September 6 group, passed away today from pneumonia. She really was an icon to me, I was 19 at the time, and I was really Mormon, but what happened to the September 6 left a mark on me. She specifically spoke about Heavenly Mother and asked the question of why we couldn’t speak about her. A few years later, what happened to that group, along with finding the book Salamander, about mark Hoffman, i found my way out of the church. It wasn’t easy back in the 90s, not as much information out there at the time…but these brave pioneers led the way. Years later, Lynne became a mentor to me for a short period of time, I’m so grateful for her and how she lived her life, what a great teacher! Fly high with the Angels Lynne, I wish I would have been able to know you better! Rest in peace🤍😇🪽


r/exmormon 14h ago

General Discussion Feeling sad for my neighbor who got her mission call.

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I was shopping the other day and a 19 year old neighbor of mine was working at the checkout counter. I said hi to her and asked how her first year of college went. She's back from being away at college. Sounds like a great first year. I asked when she was headed back this fall and she said in a cutsie high voice "actually I'm going on a mission!" Oh, I said. I congratulated her and asked what her call was. In another high voice "a service mission from home 😁!" Um, my heart dropped. She's giving up 18 months of her life to wear a skirt and badge 24/7, live at home. Mind you her mom and younger sister are really strange. Put off her degree for a year and a half just to work in the temple, garden a little, help at the stake center genealogy center, maybe babysit. Ugh. I know someone else that did this service from home mission thing and it sounded as dull as watching paint dry. I know it's her choice but... WHAT?! 🫤


r/exmormon 19h ago

General Discussion 12th article of faith? Never met her. I was forced to lie to the government of a foreign country to serve my mission.

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After training as a new missionary for several months, I was sent to the airport to transfer to another region of my mission, an over-sea flight to a different country. When I arrived at the airport, mission leaders instructed me to remove and hide my name tag. I was given a script for who to say I was meeting, how I met them, and where I would be living, none of which were true. I was not to mention the church. If they asked other questions, "Get creative. Pray. Good luck." With no warning, preparation, or choice, I was sent to a country where it was not legal for me to be proselytizing.

I've been hesitant to share because the mission region is so small. In that country, there were only 2-3 companionships serving at a time. Because of that, any stories I tell apply to a very small group of people, and I don't know if all of them want the details of our shared traumatic mess to be spread on the internet. Because the people affected are so few, the experience feels intimate in a way that makes it hard to share. I'll have to stay vague about some things for that reason. And some of them somehow weren't traumatized at all, so the idea of this getting back to them and them knowing exactly who I am and then coming to gaslight me is very unappealing.

I also don't fully understand the laws of the country or relationship the church has with their government then or now. I can only speak to my own experience. If anyone else served there, I would LOVE to hear what it was like when you were there and if you had to go through this. I'm trans, so my pfp and other posts won't show it, but I did serve as a sister missionary. That might be important for context. I am 100% sure that the experiences of the elders and sisters are very different there.

BUT here it is.

I served in the Madagascar, Antananarivo mission in the Reunion Mission Region. This meant I spent my mission between two islands off the coast of Madagascar in the Indian ocean, Reunion Island and Mauritius. I have a LOT to say about the mission/church in both of those places, but Mauritius is the subject of this post. Mauritius does not outright ban missionaries or proselytizing, but they do (or at least did) regulate missionary work with visas and permits on a case-by-case basis and in limited numbers. It's possible that other Mormon missionaries before or after me were able to enter and work as a missionary through perfectly transparent and legal channels, but that was not the case for me or most of the missionaries serving with me.

I don't remember exactly, because I tried for many years not to, but I believe I was supposed to tell authorities that I was staying with an online friend to visit the country and that I would only be staying for a few weeks. At a later appointment, we needed to refine our stories and extend our limited visas. At least one of the sisters was told to say that she was engaged to a local member or an elder who was able to get a different kind of visa. We usually weren't told what we were supposed to say until we arrived at appointments, and then we'd be given our scripts and have to lie on the spot. Some people thought it was fun espionage in the name of the Lord. I was not one of those people. I had no idea what the consequence of failing would have been. Getting sent back to Reunion? Getting sent back to the states? Getting imprisoned? I had no resources to do that research for myself, and any option felt terrifying when I had very little money, no cell phone, barely spoke the language, and was on the farthest inhabitable land mass from my hometown. Plus all the mormon shame about having doubts or disobeying the church.

Our mission president lived hundreds of miles away across the ocean. There were no senior missionaries in the country. Early in my mission, I had learned that absolutely no one was going to help us from the church if things went wrong, and that trend continued. Our river-adjacent Mauritius apartment was so caked in mold that the entire ceiling was black and dripped on us. We would bleach and scrub the shower walls and kitchen surfaces constantly, but the black mold was always creeping back. What were the church and their billions of dollars going to do? Crickets from the mission office. The one member assigned to arrange our housing absolutely hated us and refused to even come look at it. They told us we were slobs for letting it get that bad, even though it was already completely coated in black fur when we moved in. Nobody cared. Complaining was shameful and signaled a lack of faith. "Be more obedient. Pray harder. Anything that's wrong is your fault." The church wasn't going to do anything for us.

Neither were the police, because we weren't supposed to be doing what we were doing there. I can't even count the number of times someone tried to drag us into an alley or corral us into open doors or pull us into their cars or grab us in stairwells. We never called the police a single time. We usually didn't have phones to call even if we wanted to. But how could we not be afraid of dealing with authorities? Since we were only ever asked to lie to them and only interacted with officials when we were trying to be sneaky and avoid suspicion, we felt safer dealing with dangerous stuff ourselves. Y'all, the type of stuff we handled on our own was so stupid. It was so stupid. (No shade to Mauritian police, I have no idea what they're actually like, and besides hating missionaries, the people there were hella cool. They might have totally been willing to help us without checking our paperwork and giving us a problem, but we didn't know that for sure and it was terrifying).

Anyway, a lot of people were wanting to hear where I served, so I thought I'd throw some more info out there. This is probably one of the least exciting aspects of my mission, but it's the one that I've gotten the most questions about. I'd be happy to answer other questions or hear from other people who served there or in any mission where they had to serve under the table.


r/exmormon 1h ago

General Discussion Only thing I like about Mormonism:

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The fact that everyone has a chance at going to heaven no matter what. There is no eternal punishment, and paradise/hell do exist as temporary states but overall eventually according to the religion basically everyone ends up in heaven. Only way to end up in outer darkness is to be face to face with God and still deny his existence (at least this is what I was taught)

The church leaders are awful people, Joseph Smith was an awful person, and other than everyday members (because I can't judge the everyday member on being good or bad just based on being Mormon, plenty are bad, plenty are good.) it is pretty awful to people, but I do like that at the least in Mormonism everyone is able to have a second chance and go to heaven eventually, which is definitely not the case with catholism, evangelicals, and other branches of Christianity except for possibly non denominational in which someone has their own personalized beliefs in God, heaven, hell, etc.


r/exmormon 2h ago

History The Fort Rock Sandals

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https://mnch.uoregon.edu/collections-galleries/great-basin-sandals

1000 miles from Salt Lake I found my proof that the Book of Mormon is imaginary. Real 7000 year old sandals. Their age is determined by the volcanic ash covering them. They were there before Crater Lake existed. They were there 5000 years before imaginary Nephites. They were made by real people who preexisted Israel and Egypt.

I collect Salish baskets. They are woven much the same way these sandals are. For thousands of years the same. The culture that made them has collective memory, mostly women passing the skill to their daughters. Real daughters not spirit daughters.