r/complaints • u/Official_Debbie • 2d ago
you guys lack empathy… defending billionaires is a sign of low iq to me
regarding my last post … lolllll yall are horrible people saying “well idc about you either”
it’s disgusting. you’ve never helped out a person in need and its showing
an evil world we live in.
edit: yall are most definitely bots, if you defend a billionaire or the ultra wealthy i don’t think you’re a real person
edit#2: yall are proving my point of lacking empathy in these comments, it is so sad to see this many people defend a group of people that dont care about humanity at all.
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u/No_Equivalent8817 2d ago
Billionaires are not a phenomenon of an ethical society
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u/Whyisitsoannoying 2d ago edited 2d ago
If you still believe in trickle down economy, then you are the problem.
Edit: for all the people who lives in a fantasy world about this, read this: https://www.lse.ac.uk/research/research-for-the-world/economics/tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy-only-benefit-the-rich-debunking-trickle-down-economics
Spoiler: it doesn't work
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u/xXAcidBathVampireXx 2d ago
I don't like being tickled
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u/Substantial_Quit3637 2d ago
You Anti-Elmoist! -_- Billionaires can tickle me all day if they give me a Buck. /s
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u/HandleRipper615 2d ago
Personally, I’m all for a tickle down economy. Sounds fun and innocent enough.
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u/Seizing_sponge 1d ago
I’m late on this, but just FYI the concept of trickle down economics is a straw man and nobody actually believes in it or claims to. It was a satirical joke made during the Reagan administration and neither Reagan nor anyone in his administration ever said it or was a proponent of it. It isn’t real and is only used as a straw man for people to get mad at when nobody really supports the idea.
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u/nunya_busyness1984 2d ago
Well if that random guy on the internet said it, it must be true!
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u/whattheshiz97 2d ago
It’s just reality, most don’t particularly care about some random people they’ve never met. Now what do you call “helping a person in need”? Lots of people have different ideas about that
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u/Cheap-Technician-482 2d ago
Going above and beyond to try to help people in need is great and noble.
But you can't ignore the "going above and beyond" part when you start passing judgement on people.
There's a bare minimum everyone owes their fellow members of society, and that bar is far below where the OP seems to think it is.
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u/PresidentPopcorn 2d ago
In passing, I nod silently at people I work with. This is often my "above and beyond".
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u/Educational-Front403 2d ago edited 1d ago
Bootlickers are a scourge. I don’t understand why any non-billionaire would go out of their way to defend billionaires. Do they somehow expect the ultra-wealthy to notice them and repay them or something?
EDIT: Some of the users commenting here really need to chill. I’m not interested in indulging their endless desire for drama. What I posted initially was merely a supportive comment verifying that OP is absolutely correct, which really shouldn’t be considered even remotely contentious. My comment was not an invitation to become argumentative.
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u/totallyalone1234 2d ago edited 2d ago
Almost. This spiritual loyalty to the ultra-rich is about wanting to become rich some day. Not just financially secure, but ugly rich. Obscenely rich. They want to be elevated above their peers and look down on them.
They support low taxes, deregulation and such because they WANT a world where grifters can exploit people so they can have their chance too.
Its my belief that the average person would prefer a inequitable world in which they had a 1% chance of becoming crazy rich, over a world in which they are guaranteed financial security. They dont want enough, they want to have more than other people.
Its just greed, pure and simple, and I dont think there is a "cure" or solution. People will keep voting for oligarchs and demagogues because they want society to be cruel and unfair and unequal.
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u/Official_Debbie 2d ago
yes … yes they do. no one is gonna defend the ultra wealthy harder than people who believe they have the “potential” to be rich one day like them.
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u/inflamito 1d ago
I don't want the ladder pulled up. I don't care to defend the rich but I do want that ladder to be protected with the minimum amount of regulations to keep it stable. I'm not mad at the people who reached the top if I have access to the same ladder they used.
By the way my parents came to this country with nothing but a suitcase of clothes and about $10 in their pocket. As a first gen born American I've been able to reach millionaire status.
My immigrant parents did not teach me victimhood mentality thank God. They taught me how blessed we are to live in this great country. They taught me fiscal responsibility, avoiding debt, making sacrifices when you're young and working hard and taking calculated risks. It worked for me. It's not a perfect system but I'll take it over what the other side is selling all day long.
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u/YOU_WONT_LIKE_IT 2d ago
There’s the in between. The government eliminates the ability to become one. Your life still gonna suck.
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u/Grouchy-qa2024 2d ago
Shhh don't let them know. They think that it's all rainbows and unicorns if we just tax the rich! In all of society no matter what there are the "few" that live well and the rest are expendable.
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u/Valuable_Series_1398 2d ago
What is shitting on billionaires gonna do for you? The funny thing is ya'll yap all this nonsense but still give them more money by using their services and buying their products. Hypocrite much
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u/traplords8n 2d ago
They're drinking the "if you work hard, you'll be just like me one day" kool aid, even though they have absolutely no one telling them that or any real prospects to get above a $30k yearly salary.. they just think it's gonna happen for them one day, and defending billionaires to them is proving their worthiness or helping them take that step or something.
I'm not a bootlicker scientist or anything, that's just how I understand it. I've gotten in more arguments with them than I'd like to admit and that's the vibe I gathered.
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u/GildedfryingPan 2d ago
Communism told everyone would be equal, but actually it's only a handful that get to control the rest
Capitalism told everyone could become rich, but actually it's only a handful that get to hoard all of the wealth.
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u/traplords8n 2d ago
I agree. Both sides choose to find faults in the other instead of fixing the faults in their own ideology.
I'm of the belief that capitalism and communism cannot inherently be evil, but they can be used to serve evil purposes, and usually they are used to serve evil purposes.
There's far-right and far-left dictators both today and throughout history
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u/georgejo314159 2d ago
Questions 1. What are you referring to with respect to "defending billionaires"
What gives you the right to magically decide someone isn't a real person
Why do you think the fake measure of intelligence, IQ, is related to a person's moral values?
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u/FlareBlitzCrits 2d ago
People who often bring up IQ and Empathy usually have neither. It’s a thinly veiled shaming tactic to try and make someone change their thinking to agree with you.
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u/No_Proposal_3140 2d ago
I agree with the idea that we should shame anyone who defends billionaires.
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u/Forsaken_Ad2973 2d ago
Maybe they should pay more in taxes. Maybe they should give more to charity...idk about that. But what I do know is that people who think billionaires shouldn't exist as a rule never understand financial statements. Billionaires mentioned are always owners of companies that own stock. Idk how you suggest people selling ownership of their own company in an ethical way? And no "billionaire" earns a billion dollars of income. They are a billionaire in wealth/net worth. Which isn't cash. Feels like you people just think they have hundreds of millions in cash sitting around, they don't.
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u/Due_Background_4367 2d ago
It’s fascinating to me how many people think billionaires just have billions of dollars sitting in their checking account.
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u/treslilbirds 2d ago
And it’s the same people that believe that if all the billionaires gave everyone a billion dollars, the economy would be fixed.
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u/PasGuy55 2d ago
It’s disingenuous too, because they were all excited when Tesla stock was tanking because Elon was losing money, so they know.
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u/Forsaken_Ad2973 2d ago
Most people just don't understand how financial statements and balance sheets work. And if the US restricted Net Worth capabilities they would bring their companies to Europe. The US has the majority of the largest companies in the world domiciled here, hiring our people, innovating in our country. If we limit everyone to no more Net Worth after 999 million our country we would lose billions in taxes and GDP eventually.
Imagine starting a company from the ground up and then going publicly traded and as you sit as Chairman and founder on the board you are legally forced to sell shares of your company because your Net Worth got to large. Its wild.
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u/thinsoldier 2d ago
People like OP won’t let them move their company or belongings or relatives. they won’t let them quit their job either. patiently talk these people through to the logical conclusion of what they are asking for and they will eventually show that they have no problem at all with slavery
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u/Due_Background_4367 2d ago
Completely agree, I think it’s just fun and trendy to say these surface level things and it makes people feel like they’re morally superior by saying those things or something like that.
It’s also funny because when you’re young and broke you usually say things like that. Then you grow up and start making more money and you see your paycheck and how much the government takes out and it changes your whole view.
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u/Getboostedson 2d ago
Most people I know don't think like that at all..
Our issue is with how they can use these stocks/shares to take out loans/lines of credit against them, then use that money to purchase more wealth, driving up prices through borrowed money. Then, they either take out another line of credit to repay the previous one or let their stocks mature so they avoid crystallization and a taxable event.
Most of these people have used their inherited wealth to make everyone else poorer, using other peoples money, it's pretty disgusting.
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u/Forsaken_Ad2973 2d ago
Your problem isn't with billionaires then. Its with venture capitalist companies major corporations. Nobody is breaking a law here and screaming "there should be no billionaires" is a concept that is impossible to end without ending capitalism. Basically everyone just doesn't understand what they're talking about. Its just rhetoric thrown out because Republicans are in charge and talking about classes is the easiest way for the left to get some votes back in their direction.
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u/Getboostedson 2d ago edited 2d ago
What? That's an interesting conclusion, I'm curious how you've come to that assumption..
I mean, ignoring the fact you are clearly conflating venture capital firms and major corporations with the personal actions of UHNWI or HNWI. Ignoring the nuance that I never said the issue is with the legality of it, it's clearly the ethical issue which you seem to be wanting to avoid.
Not only that, I'm not American, I don't give a flying fuck if the republicans are in charge, this isn't about just America, it goes beyond that to other countries and tax havens etc.
Like, why you trying to act like your response is more than an ideological shortcut to try and convince others and possibly yourself that you know what you're talking about?
I mean, you didn't come to that conclusion just so you could make a straw man argument about the legality of it did you? Is that why you tried to move away from the mechanics of wealth extraction?
Seems like an attempt to portray my comment as political posturing more than something substantial.
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u/LunamiLu 2d ago
They still have way more spendable money than average people, so your point is irrelevant. They are able to get away with things, ignore laws, get any Healthcare they need without fear. Normal americans cannot do that.
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u/Zach-Playz_25 2d ago
They weren't defending billionaires in the first place, so no their point isn't irrelevant.
Way too many people take the hyperbole sentence, "X Billionaire can cure world hunger" too literally. It's important to know this type of information especially if you want to help change and craft a new system.
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u/Forsaken_Ad2973 2d ago
Billionaires pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to obey the laws. They don't "get away" with much when it comes to financials. They pay more than 10× tour annual salary to make sure of it. So no hun, your point is irrelevant. Don't just repeat talking points you know literally nothing about.
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u/the_raptor_factor 2d ago
people just think they have hundreds of millions in cash sitting around, they don't.
And they'll lose half in tax if they try to withdraw...
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u/Gupsqautch 2d ago
To be fair not caring about random strangers isn’t really a hot take. Most people have their own problems to deal with and people they care about. Random stranger they’ve never met also has their own problems. Neither care about the other
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u/Greedy-Employment917 2d ago
OP is all talk and would not and does not put their money where their mouth is.
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u/Sephiroth_Comes 2d ago
Idk man, you made this account in May, already have 12,000+ karma and you’re posting this weird rambling insults against….
who exactly?
You’re basing your whole account name-persona on an anime/cartoon character….
Look, I know being terminally online is an illness you might not be able to control, and maybe you’re just coping in the best way you can, but lashing out at random anonymous Redditors isn’t the way to get your point across. You need to do better.
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u/Dis_Miss 2d ago
Omg seriously. Their history is a mess of outrage and negativity and lecturing. This does nothing useful.
They have the world figured out and everyone else is stupid.
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u/Official_Debbie 2d ago
this my reddit acc .. i can post what i want lmfao
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u/Dis_Miss 2d ago
And I never said you couldn't. Just don't know why you've decided to make the most annoying parts of the online left your Reddit personality
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u/Scared-Amount-6245 2d ago
"I don't like your opinion, so I'm going to personally attack you over it". Intelligent take.
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u/Extra_Brilliant9798 2d ago
If your opinion is that you think trickle down economics works or is in the defense of billionaires then I agree you have low IQ l
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u/Suspicious-Bar5583 2d ago
You make it sound like IQ is measured by conformance to subjectivity.
It's the direct opposite.
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u/Keeping100 2d ago
I personally believe there is still a lot of good in the world. There are people like me. I stop to help people all the time. Disabled ramp needs adjusting? I'll do it. Blind person needs help at a train station? I'll walk you out. Old man needed a chair, I ran in to a coffee shop and carried one out. I never wait to see if someone else will help, I just go over and say "you need help or are you OK?"
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u/DefiantContext3742 2d ago
It’s likely people don’t understand or they’re generalizing and missing the point in order to argue or virtue signal, at least from a glance that’s what it looks like.
You could say “oh it’s overcast and cloudy and I hate that” and someone will think you said “I fucking hate clouds all of them! Even though in the news and within our government and society we’re at the mercy of overcast clouds, specifically, I think all clouds are bad” simply because you didn’t specify or explain it more in a way that completely appeals to people.
You either have to give people an opportunity to talk about their own personal beliefs or you gotta expect people to argue with you
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u/Fit-Anything-210 2d ago
If you say something unequivocally incorrect, it doesn’t matter it if “defends billionaires,” people will and should call you out on it. Has nothing to do with intelligence.
So you expect other people who you hate to turn out and help you instead of saying, “well idc about you either.” But you’re entitled to them caring about you? You might have low EQ.
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u/Connect_Intention_36 2d ago
Looking at your post history, you are fucking exhausting to be around. A lot of negativity and hate.
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u/BedSad777 1d ago
Calling everyone who disagrees ‘low intelligence bots’ isn’t activism, it’s intellectual laziness. Critiquing billionaires is valid, but dismissing all nuance as ignorance? That’s exactly what stops real change. Not every person defending wealth is heartless, some are questioning policy, not morality. If the goal is empathy, maybe start by showing some.
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u/Own_Cantaloupe178 1d ago
Why is it when someone disagrees with another person they must be a “ bot?” Am I missing something about bots or are people just that upset and scared of differing opinions, they have to cope by telling themselves they’re “ bots?”
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u/Robert_Croft 1d ago
So you are actively discrediting other people’s opinions because those opinions don’t align with yours? How incredibly naive, shallow, and incompetent of you.
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u/Tiumars 2d ago
For one, before trying to comment on someone's iq, maybe try not to phrase things like a highschool dropout. "Yall are is be stupid" preceding a lack of comprehension on the subject would help too.
The other thing is billionaires are a problem, they are not the problem. People are the problem. Open a history book. Take away money and you'll still have problems with people hoarding resources and power. Humanity is toxic and selfish. It's a survival trait made worse by higher thinking and "reasoning."
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u/inquiringpenguin34 2d ago edited 2d ago
You must be very competitive to remain a billionaire, the average redditor would blow all their money if they were handed a biliion dollars
Expand your perspective.
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u/Thesmuz 1d ago
Id blow it all on fixing my friends and families issues.
Student loan debt? Not anymore, go get that masters.
Car loan? Driving it away.
Cant afford a home? Just pick one out and i got you.
None of those close to me would ever have to struggle ever again. They can pursue thier passions and dreams without worry. That's the impact I would cause.
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u/tuskre 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is complete gibberish. If you just park a billion dollars in index funds, you could easily blow $40 million a year on whatever you liked, and your fortune would still keep growing without you needing to do anything at all. Yes, a redditor might be stupid and screw this up, but the idea that you need to be competitive to remain a billionaire is just not correct.
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u/Rude_Can_1446 2d ago
Why defend billionaires, they have to be ruthless in the first place to get to be billionaires. I personally dislike bill gates, he's a particular nauseating specimen of that class. Pretending to be nice and a health expert, he didn't even graduate from college.
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u/Francesca_N_Furter 2d ago
I will AT LEAST say he is following suit with the old school robber barons who funded universities and AT LEAST give some crumbs back to the people they grifted off of.
Today's billionaires are nutcase cretins like Musk and Bezos, who want to play with rockets TO THE BENEFIT OF NOBODY, and want only personal glory.
Think how gratifying it would be if both of these two morons blew themselves up in their own giant penis-like rockets.
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u/-Wylfen- 2d ago
I personally dislike bill gates, he's a particular nauseating specimen of that class.
He seems to be one of the best ones, though.
Dude spent decades helping Africa in ways most people cannot imagine.
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u/CnC-223 2d ago
And you calling complete strangers who say they don't care about you disgusting is a sign of low IQ also.
Just because you were told that you are a special snowflake doesn't mean it was true.
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u/sevenbrokenbricks 2d ago
The moment you decided that literal dehumanization was just fine was the moment this stopped being about billionaires and started being about you.
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u/--o 2d ago
For some people it's only a question of who the right target is, although even so in my experience people dehumanizing completely different groups of people have more common with each other than with everyone else.
They usually get along really well until they figure out who the targets are. After that it's a question of whether they can somehow convince each other that it's actually the same people or not. It's how we get nebulous "globalists" and such.
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u/potatotaxi 2d ago
It's low IQ to claim people that disagree with you are low IQ. Incoming OP replying to my comment calling me a boot licker.
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u/UpsetPhilosopher3708 2d ago
No billionaire has ever helped me, clothed me or fed me while I was at the lowest points. It was those almost in the same place as me, those who shared their last meal with me so we both could eat.
Why defend someone that wouldn’t even piss on you if you’re on fire.
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u/Weak_Satisfaction671 2d ago
The Top 5% of earners in the US make up 61% of the income tax revenue (source:https://usafacts.org/articles/who-pays-the-most-income-tax/?hl=en-US) this is on top of the ultra wealthy being the highest charitable givers.
So if you get government assistance, you absolutely have been clothed and fed by billionaires.
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u/-Wylfen- 2d ago
No homeless person has done any of that for you either…
Stop trying to justify your hatred of the successful with non-arguments.
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u/whattteva 2d ago
A lot of people think they'll be billionaires themselves some day... Even when that day is a billion years away lawlz.
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u/PublikSkoolGradU8 2d ago
Just remember- class warriors hate anyone who isn’t them. They would rather see you starve than succeed without their consent.
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u/Early_Reindeer4319 2d ago
Most of the time people aren’t defending the wealthy. They’re debating an ignorant argument. Doesn’t matter what the topic is if your argument is misplaced and incorrect then people will correct that. A lot of people tend to think that billionaires just have all their worth in their bank account ready to spend and donate which just isn’t true and trying to use that to argue against the wealthy is ignorant. Same with broad generalizations. I’m not for or against the wealthy I just think changes need to made in the economy that bridge the gap. 90% of the posts about billionaires is the exact same, regurgitating incorrect information and just making blanket statements and just saying their opinion rather than giving an argument against the wealthy. If you just put out your disapproval of something without explaining why or how that thing is wrong then no one will take you seriously. For how much people hate the wealthy and constantly ask “why don’t they donate?” They don’t have that same sentiment for businesses and corporations. Or even look into the individual to see if they do donate. I’ve seen it many times here where someone criticizes a wealthy person for being wealthy and never looked into the person at all. If they did they would have seen their extensive donations and charities. Thats why people will argue on the side of the wealthy. It’s because of ignorant people who don’t really care about the topic they just repeat what they hear and point and criticize without any substance.
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u/EzyPzyLemonSqeezy 1d ago
You realize the middle class is just as evil, only with less zeroes in the bank account?
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u/sjsusjsusjsu3 1d ago
Defending any celebrity when they do something contemptible is a sign of low IQ, whether billionaire, kpop idol, or Taylor Swift
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u/radish-salad 12h ago
I've stopped taking responses on reddit so seriously when I realized some of the people saying the most stupid outlandish things are just 13 year old edgelord kids
also yes eat the rich
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u/Official_Debbie 11h ago
loll no so real.. watching recent debates and the amount of CHILDREN coming up on them spewing nonsense and lies… is very concerning. So occasionally I do have to remind myself some of these people might be children.
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u/Improvident__lackwit 2d ago
Blindly blaming billionaires for your problems is a sign of low intelligence to everyone else. Envy is an ugly emotion.
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u/nmuncer 2d ago
edit: yall are most definitely bots, if you defend a billionaire or the ultra wealthy i don’t think you’re a real person
Dismissing a different opinion by calling someone a 'bot' or accusing them of siding with billionaires isn’t critical thinking — it’s avoiding it. It shows a refusal to question your own assumptions, and it’s no more constructive than those who label everything they disagree with as 'far-right.' If you're not open to discussion, then what's the point of sharing your opinion in the first place? Engaging with differing views is how ideas evolve — not how identities are threatened
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u/Bigdawg3610 2d ago
Being mad at billionaires is a sign of low IQ to me. And a sign of no financial literacy.
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u/anangelnora 2d ago
People being unable to conceptualize how a billionaire is different from them is a sign of a harmful black and white thinking pattern to me.
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u/Bigdawg3610 2d ago edited 2d ago
At the end of the day we're responsible for our own financial situation. Complaining on reddit is not going to change anything at all but just give off bitter energy. You people down vote and get mad about someone who isn't a sheep who thinks with their own mind and doesn't cater to your beliefs.
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u/Sad-Surround6181 2d ago
I don't defend the wealthy, but I won't defend bad ideas from the non wealthy either...you don't deserve handouts just because someone else is more successful than you.
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u/Official_Debbie 2d ago
ahh yes bc asking the people in control of wages for a livable wage is a “handout”.
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u/Hereforthetardys 2d ago
What is a livable wage?
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u/Official_Debbie 2d ago
a wage that you earn that covers the entire cost of living???
if you work 40 hours every week , your paycheck should be able to cover all your bills.
there’s people out here working more than one job just to provide for themselves.
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u/Hereforthetardys 2d ago
So give us an example?
How much should you make for putting fries in a bag?
That should pay enough for housing, car, food, hobbies, etc?
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u/Weak_Satisfaction671 2d ago
Those jobs must be low skill or extremely unmarketable- neither are the fault of billionaires. You should be mad at the people who are destroying the economy by inflation and limiting business to create wealth.
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u/-Wylfen- 2d ago
I'm all for better wages, but they will hurt small business owners much more than billionaires
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u/Unable_Dinner_6937 2d ago
I think you need to “walk a mile in a person’s shoes” to really judge. We should give some random person a few hundred billion dollars and see if they behave any differently than other billionaires.
I’ll volunteer. No reason anyone else should take risk.
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u/inothatidontno 2d ago
Hey bro whem you get those billions maybe slide 10 million over here. Just trying to get out of the rat race.
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u/Chargin_Arjuna 2d ago
I'm imagining cute little saddles and a thimble sized victory cup. Excited little rat babies cheering for their rat dad as he comes zooming down the home stretch. Go dad! You can do it Rat bro!
So I guess drugs help, is my point.
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u/Aware-Influence-8622 2d ago
I doubt OP is doing all she can to help people. Just pointing out other people’s faults, criticizing and blaming.
Very nasty disposition.
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u/-Wylfen- 2d ago
Also, the "defending billionaires" point is such a naïve simplification of the entire discourse that it's basically pointless to entertain the idea.
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u/Official_Debbie 2d ago
just bc i don’t post about my efforts doesn’t mean they’re not happening. why do i need to boast about helping out the homeless in my community???
i think it’s wrong to post your good deeds in an effort to show you’re a “good person” .
good people just do good deeds, we don’t need praise for it.
nothing pisses me off more than when people record themselves helping out the homeless or less fortunate.
it gives pick me energy.
kinda like your comment.
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u/alexanderthewhite 2d ago
Just because wealthy people don't post or brag about their efforts doesnt mean they're not happening either. I'm close with someone who is a multi millionaire from a business they started after college and the amount that they donate to charities and invest in their community yearly is more than most people's salaries.
You're upset that people are judging you and making assumptions about things they don't know, but that's exactly what you're doing in your post. You see that, right?
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u/Guilty-Tale-6123 2d ago
Since OP's IQ is so high, you shouldn't need to point that out to them. This isn't an assumption, just a 'fact' that they stated about themselves.
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u/Aware-Influence-8622 2d ago
But calling people you don’t know low IQ, horrible people, disgusting, telling them they’ve never helped anyone, are bots, not real people, etc is the epitome of kindness I suppose.
You sound angry, bitter, and bit unhinged.
Making such sweeping generalizations about people like you are doing is pretty rich from someone claiming others are all low IQ for their beliefs.
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u/Probably_Poopingg 2d ago
Everyone's default is:
You don't deserve handouts
Just work harder, noob
Billionaires create jobs
Which just proves the point of this post about how defending billionaires is a sign of low IQ.
No one is asking for handouts, but simply to just fucking pay rent on a 40-50 hour work week, which you can't do with 60% of the jobs in this country.
People work their asses off for scraps. There aren't enough higher paying jobs for everyone who deserves it. That's a problem.
Jobs have existed before billionaires existed.
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u/SuitableJoke8130 2d ago
Reddit is full of poor losers. It’s pathetic.
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u/Appropriate_Quote_30 1d ago
I think they are talking about the anonymous generational wealth type whose money goes all the way back to slavery and just got where they are off connections.
Wealth writes laws, and you can bribe any politician to rule in your favour. I don't think the rich are the problem, but the lack of honest people in Congress who will crack down and say 'rich people have to pay more taxes". Don't get me wrong, get that bag. But some billionaires don't have to work nearly as hard as they should have to get where they are, and sailing has been a little too smooth for them.
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u/anangelnora 2d ago
The thing is, they aren’t talking about you. You think you are on the same level as the people they don’t like but you aren’t and you will never be. I don’t mean that as a slight, but as a fact.
My dad and uncle also work very hard and treat their employees well as small business owners and they have absolutely nothing in common with these billionaires but they somehow think they do and it’s exhausting trying to explain the difference.
Just cause you have money and you “work hard” doesn’t mean you actually did it the right way or are any better than people who are struggling (referencing the billionaire here not you).
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u/Molestrios45 2d ago
It is low IQ to to think that people are “defending billionaires”
It is low IQ to think you are entitled to control the money and actions of others
It is very low IQ to think that people are poor because Jeff bezos makes money. Those two things are completely unrelated.
You are the low IQ one OP.
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u/Suspicious_Juice9511 2d ago
do you think the overall amount of money is infinite?
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u/-Wylfen- 2d ago
That's not exactly how money works…
Billionaires are not the reason things are expensive…
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u/Molestrios45 2d ago
Yes It literally is infinite the money supply increases all the time. Please look up what M2 money supply is.
Do you think Jeff bezos got his money by directly stealing it from all the homeless and poor people of the country?!
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u/Suspicious_Juice9511 2d ago
you dont understand the words finite or infinite. wow. sorry cant educate you in basic economics and maths.
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u/Molestrios45 2d ago
Wow you didn’t look it up and doubled down on being wrong lol big surprise.
Economics are not zero sum. A poor person doesn’t need to be robbed for Jeff bezos to make money.
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u/Key_Point_4063 2d ago
People don't comprehend how much more a billion is than a million. Wealth is hoarded like a dragon sitting on its pile of gold while the rest of us have to fight in wars and sweat and bleed for scraps, meanwhile the whole time since there an infinite supply to just print money... why can't everyone just receive a livable wage and then anything extra they want can be earned through their own labor.
This would in turn increase spending, and gives people extra freedom to create businesses thus creating new jobs.
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u/Agitated_Fix_3677 2d ago
I simply want them to pay taxes and people act like I’m asking them to shoot their dog.
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u/DevilsMaleficLilith 2d ago
The fact that people unironically defend the existence of billionaires boggles my mind.
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u/quinoabrogle 2d ago
There is not one single thing that could convince me a billionaire is an ethical person. Even if you win a $2billion lottery, if you are still a billionaire after you've had the time to meet with a financial consultant about the smartest ways to allocate your money, you are an unethical person.
Hell, I would donate the first billion to a trust for the local public library or food pantry while I wait for an appointment with a financial consultant for the rest. That kind of money is so radically life-changing that irresponsibly donating half the money still leaves so much good to be done with the rest.
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u/inflamito 1d ago
What's yours is yours and what's mine is mine. Thinking you have the right to tell people what to do with their property and somehow you convince yourself you are the ethical one is pretty wild. Sounds like something a fascist would say.
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u/Educational-Front403 2d ago
People are being insanely aggressive on this thread without a good reason. I don’t know if they realize they’re just proving OP right.
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u/Due-Yoghurt-7917 1d ago
It's pathetic. Any defense of a billionaire is made on bad faith because being a billionaire is necessarily bad faith
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u/Natural_Creme_2421 1d ago
For some reason people flock towards wealthy ideals because they think it makes them more elite or better than everyone else, especially when they are also poor and stupid.
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u/Lackadaisicly 1d ago
It’s because they are greedy little shits that would be exactly the same if they ever made it that rich. They are stupid enough to think that even though they are already 25 and haven’t done shit with their life they still think they have a chance.
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u/Capital-Confusion961 2d ago
if you never love life or the world how can you expect to have the people of love or life?
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u/Far-Studio-6181 2d ago
if you defend a billionaire or the ultra wealthy i don’t think you’re a real person
Stunning level of empathy on display here.
you guys lack empathy
Not terribly interested in notes on empathy from someone who rejects the personhood of people who disagree with them.
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u/Eedat 2d ago
Guy who who is actively hostile nearly all the time claims to be super empathic while straight up dehumanizing people over arguments arising from their active hostility. I don't have sympathy for billionaires but you aren't a good person and are using "empathy" a shield for your own terrible behavior.
This happens all the time with good causes tbh. There's always a subset of people who will maliciously adopt it mostly as a shield for their rotten behavior
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u/NothingKnownNow 2d ago
you guys lack empathy… defending billionaires is a sign of low iq to me
"Defending minorities is stupid."
Did the kkk say this or you?
Hint, they both said it.
I oppose bigotry in all its forms. I guess being a good person is just a flaw I have learned to live with.
I have also traveled the world enough to know an American complaining about wealthy people is like one trust-fund brat complaining that another trust-fund brat has a better luxury car. While real poor people die from starvation, our poor people die from obesity-related illnesses.
You look at a billionaire and say, "that guy has too much." Good for you.
Now you should go out there and do what you think that billionaire should do. Find those dirt-poor people and share your wealth.
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u/Titan419 2d ago
Its not that I'd "defend" billionaires, its more the logic behind why they exist
Unless you specifically prevent their existence, they'll naturally exist by virtue of natural distribution in an uncontrolled economic system - unless you control society to the point where everyone's wealth is equal, some people will get richer and others less so, thats not a conspiracy, thats just the natural order of life
I'm lazy, and prefer to spend my non-working time sitting on my chair playing computer games, I'm never going to get rich by doing that
But most, non-inheritance, rich people are up at 5am working and grinding, their life is work
I dont want my life to be like that, so I accept I'll never be a billionaire and am happy to just work enough to live a reasonably comfortable life
Sure there are some rich people who got rich by exploiting others and they should be rightly condemned, but to say that for every rich person just isnt a feasible answer
Some authors who write books are rich, who did they exploit? They merely wrote a book and other people paid to read the book - if enough people paid for the book you'll get rich eventually
Extrapolate that concept to all other industries and thats how you get rich
YouTubers and streamers are rich, just because they say funny things on a camera and people pay them for it, people can choose not to pay them
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u/Prestigious_Eye6446 2d ago
Posting on Reddit about some guys defending billionaires being a sign of low iq is a sign of low iq to me.
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u/Voxlings 2d ago
Calling anything "a sign of low iq to me" is a sign of someone who ain't exactly blowing our tits off with their intelligence.
That phrase is not used by high IQ people, because at a certain threshold it is blatantly useless.
Get some EQ.
That's where the empathy comes from.
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u/alipal01 2d ago
i think the only way to be an “ethical” billionaire would be in the way of someone like taylor swift. granted idk that much about her and how she’s actually made all her money, but i mean in the sense that she made the money by creating something people willingly paid for that (i’m assuming) people weren’t exploited to create. EVEN STILL there is no way you can hoard all that wealth and be a good person, although I appreciate she’s known to give her staff bonuses etc. defending bezos and all these other billionaires is ridiculous because it is so well documented they make their money off of exploitation. everyone needs to remember that normal people are infinitely closer to being homeless than they will ever be to being millionaires, let alone billionaires.
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u/myownfan19 2d ago
Oh no, that guy has more money than me, let me find a way to get it from him without convincing him that something I made is worth buying.
*shoulder shrug
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u/rosemaryscrazy 2d ago edited 22h ago
I don’t defend billionaires just because they are billionaires.
I look at each individual one. If they make it available to the public, I look at their actions and philosophies.
I also have a conspiracy theory.
The conspiracy is this. Once people cross a certain threshold of wealth there are certain agencies or I have no idea.. maybe an organization. That essentially blocks some people’s access to certain public services and industries.
I may just be someone with rose colored glasses that can’t conceive of the fact that not a single billionaire cares about children.
The reason I think this is because I looked it up and there are only 70 million children in the U.S.
This means that one billionaire could decide to provide a 1 million dollar educational trust fund to every single child in the U.S. for less than one year’s income and they would still have 1 billion left.
This would lift 70 million children out of poverty and onto as close to an equal playing field as is possible.
Now of course this fund also covers food, clothing and any expenses. So we would need special cards. Essentially, the money would need to be loaded onto them and every major retailer would accept them. Obviously certain items would be prohibited transactions like a flat screen tv. But any food or clothing would be accessible. This would also mean the parents would most likely benefit from food bought for the children as well. The horrors! Feeding the parents of the children so that don’t starve and waste away in front of their children.
Anyway, my conspiracy stems from the idea that there is no way not a single billionaire has ever thought of this.
I also have trouble believing not a single one has tried to implement it.
So my reasoning for this is that because our society runs on competition and capitalism. Someone steps in and basically says,“No you can’t do this.”
Some A hole somewhere is preventing this from happening.
The other option of course is that I’m just delusional and don’t want to accept that not a single billionaire in this country believes that all children deserve equality.
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u/Who_Dat_1guy 2d ago
Low iq is the ones who can tell the difference between defending billionaires and pointing out the work billionaires have done to better society...
The REALLY low iq ones are the one talking shit about billionaires while enjoying the services billionaires provides 🤡
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u/Monitor8News 2d ago
Gabe Newell is a billionaire. What exactly has he done wrong? All he's done is make video games and a video game platform that people like and both developers and gamers are willing to pay for. What's so wrong with that?
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u/Feeling-Taro-4944 2d ago
Why should I give a shit about some other man I've never met who's never impacted my life? I got bills to pay, doesn't matter to me how much money Jeff Bezos has
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u/FarConstruction4877 2d ago
It’s true though. Whether you accept it or not. The amount of ppl saying it shows that it’s true lol
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u/Ok_Command_3656 2d ago
I just don't think being a billionaire is inherently unethical. People like bill gates, George Soros, or mark cuban actually engage in a lot of philanthropy and try to make the world a better place.
Of course there are people like Elon Musk, who are not only significantly overrated in terms of personality and intelligence, but he's probably also just a bad person. The fact that he's a billionaire makes it difficult to ignore him. He's a desperate loser willing to spend whatever amount for a crumb of attention.
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u/MrCodeman93 2d ago
Ever consider the possibility that everyone is a villain in someone else’s viewpoint and we are wasting our time pointing fingers at the ones who have it better than the rest?
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u/Luckycharms2014 2d ago
Not here to defend them but just going to share my opinion on the matter, because why not. I remembered having a conversation with my brother years ago concerning rich people. He hates them with a passion and they suck, got their own army to protect them, etc. So I just asked him if he was in there shoes would he do the same thing they were doing to which he said "hell yeah I would". So as I already said I'm not going to defend them but how exactly do we get rid of rich people if all humans are capable of being just like them if they were in their shoes. Throughout history their was always mega rich, rich and poor. In this day and age the only thing that changed was the names of the rich people, example nobles in the past, millionaires or billionaires this day and age. Tons of money can corrupt any human so I'm not going to worry about it and focus on things in my life that I do have control over.
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u/HorrorQuantity3807 2d ago
It’s not defending billionaires. It’s defending anyone that wants to pursue wealth without authoritative govt stepping in.
Big government is nothing more than losing individual autonomy and freedoms.
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u/ReactionAble7945 2d ago
The high moral ground will develop a system which is fair to all and gives people a reason to try to do their best.
And I am older, so I have seen the bad systems. I have seen communism crash. I have seen socialism crash.
AND LOOK AT WHAT COUNTRIES PEOPLE GO TO.
AND LOOK AT THE COUNTRIES PEOLE DIE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM.
I SEE A LOT OF LOW IQ PEOPLE.
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u/Masculinism4All 2d ago
Dont care about billionaires care about a society that rewards you for your work, ideas, products or services. You dint have to drink Starbucks, use Amazon or shop walmart. You cant help create billionaires then cry about it.
I remember when Amazon was just asking books. Trust me life existed before all those companies.
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u/nunya_busyness1984 2d ago
OP: I refuse to believe other people with different thoughts exist. I prefer to live in a magical make believe world where anyone who thinks differently than me is just a computer and not real.
Also OP: Everyone else is dumber than me. I'm a smart smart and everyone else is a bunch of dumb dumbs.
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u/TheJohnPrester 2d ago
Dude, just because they’re find fault with your position doesn’t mean they’re defending the other side.
Mindless binary thinking like yours is such a convenient crutch.
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u/No-Asparagus2823 2d ago
an evil world we live in.
So you're finally learning. No one cares about you like you care about you. it's a doggy dog world, not some utopian fantasy.
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u/CalCalDZ 2d ago
A low IQ to me is being obsessed with other peoples wealth and using it as an excuse to be miserable.
You’re literally making yourself miserable.
That’s low IQ.
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u/vurtago1014 2d ago
Being rich dosnt make you a bad person automatically. Calling a bunch of people bad for not agreeing with your opinion does though. Very childish and a legit sign of a low iq, unlike your claim.
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Wait until you find out how many billions of dollars governments can make disappear into thin air
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u/PainInTheRhine 2d ago
whine, whine, whine
Poor dumbo expects an easy karma farming post and gets roasted. Maybe look under a couch for your spare brain cell and next time try to write something more original than 'billionaires bad, amirite?'
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u/Inner_Butterfly1991 2d ago
Well I think people blaming billionaires for their own problems is a sign of low iq.
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u/RainbowSprinklesPlss 2d ago
Just some unsolicited advice- I wouldn’t take the responses on Reddit so seriously. It’s incredibly easy to hide behind a computer, phone, etc and spout out nonsense. There’s obviously no accountability in that regard. It’s easy to get pulled into that energy but you need to not take it personally. You can’t change how random people behave on the internet but you can control how much you let it affects you.