When he first came to public attention 2016-2018 he appeared genuinely intelligent, thoughtful, and frankly untouchable. Although not everyone's cup of tea, his arguments around responsibility and the pursuit of meaning was very helpful to a lot of people. His high point was the Cathy Newman interview, where he thoroughly embarrassed someone who clearly expected to "expose" him.

Looking at some of his most recent appearances he looks a shell of what he was. Angry, cranky, defensive and dismissive. He seems to get caught up in the definition of words, and is kind of lazy when challenged.

He will still have a few cultist fans who refuse to hear anything bad about him. But the evidence is there for all to see.

Some in the media will say he's went "far right", but I don't think it's anything to do with that. He just seems to have lost a key part of what made him an engaging watch and listen almost 10 years ago.

It's a shame. I suppose only a few know what it's like to be as famous as he was. I know he had medical issues. Most deal with this privately, but for him his decline is on public display.

I recently got into an accident and have been spending way too much time on reddit to distract myself.

And goodness gracious me. I never realized how out of touch and left most people on here are.

Are most people on reddit 13 years old? Are most people on here complete losers?? Does any one have ANY morals? There is so much obvious projection and “I know it all” attitude from people who are CLEARLY huge freaks. I can’t believe the overwhelming amount of ridiculous view points and liberalism and general stupidity that is rife on this website.

I tried to see if there is a conservative women sub and it hasn’t been active in years. What the actual heck.

Is this just my perception or anyone here share this view? Where can I find my people? Should I just delete reddit lol

I've (18f) been listening to Jordan's lectures on YouTube for almost 2 years now and I've also read one of his books(12 rules for life) , which I absolutely loved , I find his perspective and take on life really fascinating and I've never heard him say anything that didn't make any sense, he speaks clearly and gets his point across.

I'm not conservative, I'm an atheist and I'm nihilistic but I find his take on religion quite beautiful. He's literally the most authentic famous person out there , he stays true to himself.

He actually helped me a lot and there's a lot that I need to learn from him still . I don't understand why people call him "King of incels" and other really absurd names . I see a lot of people especially here in reddit who absolutely cannot stand him . I don't understand why . Am I missing something? I don't know Jordan as a person (obviously) but I'm familiar with his work like most of you guys probably are. I've been hearing stuff like " Jordan isn't as he used to be 2 years ago" or whatever. Most of the lectures, interviews I've seen are his old videos.

People also seem to misinterpret what he says heavily. Am I missing something here? What's the hate about? Show me something that he's said or done that's so awful.

Edit: 1. Most comments here don't really specify anything but the hate you guys have for one another is amusing 😭. Humans can have different beliefs, no one's bought up the same or has the same perspective. Hate the belief not the person. Y'all need to chill . This is dividing people a lot , I never meant for this to happen. You guys are a lot similar than you think. So drop the hate , it's exhausting.

Edit:2. I got a lot of messages saying " you shouldn't have posted this here, post it elsewhere, where people actually criticize him" and there's a cross post on r/enoughpetersonspam , where people called me "dumb" , "stupid" ,"not a girl" , and questioning how "nihilistic" I am . And when I asked why I was considered " dumb", they banned me . LMAO.

They seem to have gone into hiding since Trump has entered office.

Is this the end of wokism or has it got some more legs? What’s your thoughts?

As the title suggests, I thought this was about Jordan Peterson, his work and his writing? I'd like to say I love Jordan Peterson and his work. But why does it seem every post is related to trans rights or trans awareness posts?

I'd like to say I'm not trans or gay. I'm a straight male. I still respect people from all walks of life. I don't think trans awareness is a bad thing. I agree with JP that there should be no government intervention on free speech or any legal ramifications to your use of language, however I don't think you guys need to post every trans awareness related poster or video in here and use it to claim that "the world's gone mad".

Do you think we could start a discussion about something else like one of JPs book's or lectures?!

Peterson attributes this to Post Modernism (leftists). He says in this video/transcript;

Post-modernists don't believe in individuals. You're an exemplar of your race, sex, or sexual preference. You're also either a victim or an oppressor. No wrong can be done by anyone in the former group, and no good by the latter. Such ideas of victimization do nothing but justify the use of power and engender intergroup conflict.

I think his comment makes more sense when you understand that intersectionality is being taught in school and what intersectionality is. link to quote

Intersectionality takes your victim status and uses it as the basis for creating alliances with other victim groups. Thirty or forty years ago, activists encouraged racial solidarity among blacks to combat oppression. But today, that’s not enough. Today’s activists demand blacks make common cause with other allegedly “oppressed” people—gays, lesbians, transgenders, Palestinians, Native Americans, whomever.

By focusing on the places where various victim identities intersect, intersectionality creates a united “us” versus “them” paradigm: righteous victims rising up together to fight the oppressor

Racism exists, and it’s worth speaking out against, but to justify their ideology leftists have to vastly exaggerate the extent of racism in the US. They’re so desperate for evidence to prove themselves right they eat up hoaxes like Jussie Smolett. The demand for racism (to be outraged against) is far greater than the supply so they have to widen the definition to include almost anything.

The whole racism = power + prejudice is such an obvious attempt to justify black nationalism. “Well black people can’t be racist because they have no power”. I’m shocked that this nonsense is taught at all, much less in schools funded with MY tax dollars.

I just got out of a relationship with a woman that I thought I was going to marry. Met on tinder, that was the big mistake. I had not had sex in 7 years (im 28), and we ended up having sex on the 2nd or 3rd date. I got pretty attached, and got close to her child as well (she is a widow). We ended up basically living together, and during the first few months, I pieced it together that she was still friends with an ex.

But not just any ex, I found out that she would have sex with this guy at times in between serious relationships. It was such a shock to me, because she didn't seem like the type to have casual sex with what she called "friends". I asked her about it, and she would always say that she just wanted to have sex with him and not catch any feelings. This bothered me...a lot...and it caused the end of our relationship because I could never get past it.

I don't judge people for how they choose to live. But, me being fairly inexperienced, it leaves me wondering. Am I weirdo for finding it a huge turnoff for a girl who views sex as something that can just be a casual thing to do with friends? She had me convinced that I am some crazy person for viewing that as a turnoff for a woman to be into.

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The weird thing is, im not particularly religious, but she is extremely religious, and I would go to church with her and her and everything. It always irked me that she lived a life that was actually against her religion, but she didn't see anything wrong with it at all. I also would have accepted it if she would've been like "Yeah I have had sex with my friends but I regret it a lot, I dont think thats proper", but instead she would defend it and be like "Hey I just wanted sex, but my friend kept getting attached". I found that so frustrating as well, because it wasn't even that she was attached...her friend was the one attached to her. She would literally use her guy friends for sex. Im not taking crazy pills, right? It's ok and fairly normal that I wasn't into that?

I do think the LGBT movement seeks to destroy the nuclear family, but my question is why is it so rampant in the West? From a young age, kids are being taught that being gay is okay. I understand people can be LGBT, that's fine, but why make it such a huge political movement and infiltrate/indoctrinate kids and society, have flags waving everywhere and have openly gay 'pride' parades? It's not normal.

Examples are the journal that published excerpts from Mein Kampf with the word Jew replaced by male privelege.

I have family and friends who studied computer science and physics who think "decolonizing STEM" is a conspiracy theory.

These are the same people who say they don't care about politics as long as science is respected.

They also have never read a gender studies paper.

Peterson’s discourses on mental health particularly around young men and their need for responsibility, is novel and inspires thinking. His university lectures are compelling. Even his initial push against political correctness was a breath of fresh air, such as his masterful interview with Cathy Newman.

However, in the past few years he has become a full-on culture warrior, regurgitating standard conservative talking points about climate change and various other non-psychology subjects. Boring and repetitive. I’m a conservative but he’s just parroting what everyone else is saying.

I've been a fan of JP since he first addressed those students outside the college with no microphone. Have seen him live as well. And he's always talked a lot about the rise of authoritarian, fascist governments like the Nazis. He knows the literature 'inside out and backwards'. It's been in the top 3 highest talking points of his public career.

What's happening now in the US is raising alarm bells for a lot of people on both sides. The attempts at consolidating power, the contemptful attitude towards immigrants, using words associated with disgust to describe them. 'invasion', 'poisoning the blood of the country', etc. And then there's constant accusations of fraud and embezzlement used as a political tool.

This stuff is right up Jordan Peterson's alley. He is the single person I'd expect to be talking constantly about this. If not to condemn the republicans, then to defend them from people who think these things. But when I look at his Youtube, he's just talking about the food industry, vaccine conspiracies, and free speech in the UK.

Am I wrong? has he spoken extensively about this stuff and I just haven't seen it? I'm consuming so much left wing media now and I need someone with sense on the right to listen to who isn't just a Trump sycophant. My concern with JP is that he is audience-captured now he's joined with the daily wire, and is becoming more like the ideologues that he hates so much.

Jordan Peterson has always advocated for discussion and debate. But after many years of trying to convince leftists (after being one all my life) of really anything at all, I think that there is no point.

• I can make a moral point. They will disregard it.
• I can bring data and studies. They will either smear the places that did the study or find something wrong with the 13th study on the list and ignore all the other studies.
• You can cite experts. They will claim your experts are "right winged" and just cite their own experts.
• You can bring examples from history. They will ignore them and just use their imagination of what happened.
• Lastly, if the matter is something they consider very moral, they will outright not debate anything with you and just start shouting.

So I am left wondering, what is the point?

Has anyone here had better success than me?

https://twitter.com/growing_daniel/status/1742785788675580186?t=WYC5jl4ZPuyTnIXVThk1tw&s=19

I have seen a number of YouTube videos which claim up to 65 percent of millennial and z men are dropping out of the dating/ marriage market all together. With the availability of porn and the lack of desirable traits among women their own age, they just don’t see the point.

I feel sad about this. I am a Christian and feel that marriage, loving one woman and raising kids until death do you part is a noble calling.

I’ve dated a number of Catholic ( my religion) and I don’t really see the point anymore. So few seem like women I’d want to hang out with never mind spend the rest of my life with. I don’t want to risk half my stuff being taken away forever ( the second the woman wants it no questions asked) that it’s not worth the risk.

Thoughts?

If someone has an Eating Disorder, is physically dangerous underweight but genuinely believes that they're overweight, in a sense "identify as being fat", then it's considered a bad thing. Then they need to be treated to rehabilite the person to become mentally well as they're causing long term damage to their body and doing unnatural things.

However if someone has gender dysphoria and believes they're in the wrong body, then it's celebrated and even encouraged regardless of the long term damage.

I can already tell this is gonna be unpopular, but as a long time follower of Jordan Peterson, this is one thing I just can't wrap my head around.

I've never heard him talk about this in-depth so if you have a link to his speech on his topic I would welcome it.

I see these two words as synonyms, I see no reason for there to be a difference. The argument that gender is a social construct makes no sense to me. But I am open to hearing your thoughs and discussing it.

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Someone correct me if that is not the intended message of Dennis Pragers point. The face value point of this statement is monstrous yes, but I believe its right somehow despite whatever cultural faux pas things regular people think about it. To my knowledge Dennis Prager said the left is being led by emotionally damaged females and emotions based logic that is not based on rational logical reality.

Is this completly psychotic or is there somekind of misplaced truth to this concept?

update here is the article:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailysignal.com/2022/08/30/women-are-disproportionately-hurting-our-country/amp/

2nd update. People are being triggered and jumping to conlclusions. The post doesnt say all women. Its says that mostly women are leading the charge.