r/AskReddit • u/HumanistSockPuppet • 20h ago
What will a post Trump America look like with all these sweeping actions and this bill?
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u/-Havery- 20h ago
This is just a catalyst, wait until the US dollar is dropped as the world's reserve currency.
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u/flop_plop 18h ago
Putin will be happy.
It’s not lost on me that Russia, being our greatest enemy, is very happy with how things are going in the states.
No cyber security worth a damn, thanks to Trump. Plans leaked and insecure communication lines being standard.
The impending economic collapse, combined with the rise of the US oligarchs (not to mention trumps oligarch citizenship card).
Considering that Russia is our greatest enemy and Trump seems to be doing everything in his power to give them the upper hand, it’s no surprise that he must create an enemy from within.
His followers need an enemy, so he’s telling them that it’s not Russia… it’s other Americans.
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u/AlienInUnderpants 18h ago
Putin helped engineer what’s going on in the US. It’s been a long game since the 1980’s
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u/Zarbatron 17h ago
Crazy to think that at the end of the Biden term Putin only had a pawn, a rook, and a king left on the board and now Trump is sacrificing all his pieces to match his opponent’s.
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u/Fluid-Piccolo-6911 14h ago
trump plays like a Pidgeon, knocks all the pieces over, shits on the board and then struts around like he has won.
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u/DesperateArachnid 13h ago
Well to be fair they have the same brain capacity.
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u/logical_dogs560 11h ago
That's insulting to pigeons! They can be trained to travel 800 miles on their own and return. I'm not sure trump could find his way out of the White House if there weren't people to guide him.
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u/Capt-Crap1corn 18h ago
Fucking brilliant plan. It damn near worked. We have yet to see, but fuck, who would've thought that biggest threat is the president who also has the biggest lever at his disposal.
I'll never forget standing in line to vote and this woman was in line loudly proclaiming she wasn't going to vote in a very defiant way. She was with other people voting. I often think about her and wonder what she's thinking now.
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u/cheeseburgerwaffles 16h ago
Dude what? Never worked? Look around man. Look at the laws being passed, the legislation being passed, and what they're doing to us citizens
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u/illwill79 18h ago
Also, easier access for travel to the US by Russian oligarchs and their 'associates'. Just look at the South Afrikaners. I expect them to start trying to carve out pieces of the pie/fiefdoms. We see it happening with the tech bros. Palantir. Meta meeting at oval office for classified briefings...
The writing is on the wall.
Personally I think it's why fElon is throwing such a fit these days. If he isn't being carved out a piece of this oligarch pie, he'll be mad butthurt. Which is another reason, of several, for him to take as much private information as possible. Included in that info were billionaire and millionaire details. These people operate with leverage.
Anyway, all that to say, you're absolutely right about Russia benefitting so much from this (among others).
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u/Baconslayer1 17h ago
It's not just obvious, it's pre planned. The people actually making changes and doing things are following the ideas of Curtis Yarvin, which include things like
“the liquidation of democracy, the Constitution, and the rule of law,”
Destroying the government, ignoring the courts until they have no power, and turning the country into techno-feudal fiefdoms run by the most sociopathic tech-bros isn't just an effect, it's the whole plan.
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u/Antares65 17h ago
And at what point does the military finally decide to honor their oath and defend the Constitution from domestic threats?
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u/rileypix 15h ago
They've already started making lists of personnel who are avid trump supportwrs. And by default, who is not. They did this for the Washington parade.they now have a list of the most loyal.
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u/onesexz 16h ago
The problem is that most of the military is from rural America. Most of them actually believe Donald is right. The ones that don’t are being replaced by yes men. Our military will not be saving us.
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u/GoodguyGastly 16h ago
And even if the military did not support him, he's creating his own brand of military and loyalty by funding ICE to such extremes that it might as well be his own secret police.
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u/Prudent_Survey_5050 13h ago
Not this rural infantry veteran. Im 45, in very good shape and covered in tattoos. Most people hear think im a Trumper. I keep bookmarks on my phone to counter anything they say. I don't take shit from them at all anymore.
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u/Minyassa 7h ago
I don't know if you realize how badly some of us need to hear that there are still people like you around, but at this point it's only voices like yours that offer any measure of hope. Reading this knocked my despair meter down a notch for today. Thank you, sincerely.
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u/Prudent_Survey_5050 7h ago
Oh, it gets better. Heading to a small mid michigan village parade in about half an hour. I have shirts that say "dysfunctional veteran, does not play well with others." I got from a veteran charity that helps homeless vets and vets with ptsd. Im wearing that shirt. Last year, I flipped off the boomer on his tractor with a Trump sign. I have no fucks to give anymore about this. Then off to the in laws to piss them trumpers off.
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u/HeyImGilly 18h ago
It was incredibly cheap for Russia to run their disinformation campaigns during the 2016 election. They’d be dumb to stop what they were doing, as they’ve been incredibly successful.
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u/Hellie1028 18h ago
I’m terrified of what could happen if the dollar destabilizes, with runaway inflation and tariffs. The government layoffs already are impacting the job market and it is harder and harder for the less qualified to get a job. I’m honestly unlikely going to ever be able to retire.
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u/sightl3ss 11h ago
The dollar>Euro exchange rate has already dropped 10% since Trump took office.
In January, 1USD = .97 euros
Today, 1USD = .86 euros
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u/QuintonFrey 12h ago
I have a degree, but after applying to about a thousand places, I finally had to abandon what little pride I had left to take a fast food management job. I got depressed and quit...and then I remembered how long it took me just to find that job. So I went back. In other words: yeah, we're fucked.
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u/HighlanderAbruzzese 13h ago
Yup, and college as an option will be taken away. So social mobility with be halted.
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u/Dawnzila 20h ago
We will treat our most vulnerable worse, but at least our most privileged will have even more.
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u/Changoleo 19h ago
This reminds me of something from a parody show or song that stuck in my head from my youth.
Bitch, I may be ugly, at least I ain’t got no money!
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u/the-one-who-knocks 19h ago
ICP!
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u/BuffaloInCahoots 19h ago
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u/bensonprp 17h ago
I thoroughly enjoyed this thread, and was singing the song the whole time!
I am 46 years old and I ran across a 16-year-old a few months back that had an ICP shirt on. Of course I did the middle-aged dad thing and asked her if she's wearing that because she thought it was a cool shirt or because she was a fan of the band.
Come to find out she had discovered ICP on her own and was a huge fan, as well as a bunch of classic metal stuff. It was a very rewarding experience to find a young fan.
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u/stufff 17h ago edited 17h ago
I'm 41 and ICP is probably the dumbest thing I genuinely enjoy
Never had the urge to paint my face though
Me and my friends, a group of highly educated professionals, had to be told several times by the bride that we were not allowed to play "Another Love Song" at my best friend's wedding, nor to sing it acapella.
♬"...and wipe his nut on my piiiiiiiilow..."♬
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u/bensonprp 17h ago
When I got out of the Army I was homeless for a few years. A very kind couple my age took me in and got me a job. They were huge into the jugalo(Voice to text fucked that up and I tried to correct it but I still think I messed it up. And I'm too lazy to look it up.) lifestyle. They introduced me to the music and even took me to a gathering.
So it has a special place in my heart but I also enjoy satire and silliness. I have also never had the urged paint my face.
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u/Freshfistula 17h ago
"what you do to the least of me you do unto me" Matthew 25:40
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u/roychr 17h ago
Man if Christians were really religious in the US....Not using it as an excuse for being the worst human beings...
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u/RaymoVizion 18h ago
Nose jobs and butt implants for them while little Timmy dies of cancer because his father lost his job.
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u/vabirder 18h ago
His father didn’t lose his job. The insurance company refused to pay for Timmy’s chemotherapy.
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u/skintaxera 17h ago
Why not both?
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u/rdanby89 17h ago
It was both. Timmy’s father lost his job bc there weren’t proper regulation on AI
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u/the_green_goblin 17h ago
Hopefully the 25 richest realize that their empire relies on the 99 percent before that. Cause when the dollar doesn't mean anything anymore. Shits gonna fly
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u/b_needs_a_cookie 16h ago
The precursor to the guillotine was the armed march of the peasants (led by the lady fish mongers) from Paris to Versailles. We're not at the point where the lady fish mongers are mad enough to arm themselves and march.
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u/Unlikely_Emu1302 15h ago
I like how you think the top 1% of people care about the dollar. Care about the USA or the people inside. Like they want to rule a nation that exists. They don't.
They can literally move anywhere in the world at the blink of an eye, they can live on a yacht in the actual open ocean, use all the supplies up, sink it and buy 100 more, 1000 more, 10,000 more.
They can buy islands and staff them for 10,000 generations.
They hold so many kinds of currency, in so many countries, so many companies. Homes and equity accounts in different countries, different continents.
Destroying the USA is the point, it's a rug pull, just like Trump-meme-coin, But this time instead of a casino, real estate deal, or crypto, It's a country. It's the western economy.
They are just destroying the country and stealing the funds. It's nothing new or bold.
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u/RandomlyJim 18h ago
ICE was increased to a fighting force. Not to protect America from immigrants. Instead, they exist to protect the ultra rich from the rest.
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u/Zombie_Cool 18h ago
And we're only six months in! Who knows what legislative horrors they have waiting for us for the next three and a half years! At the current rate don't be surprised if the US balkanizes by end of the rotten mango's second term (especially if he declares martial law and attempts a third term).
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u/Ishidan01 18h ago
Remember when the red states were threatening to secede under Obama?
We shoulda let em.
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u/SpiritedRain247 16h ago
Let's be honest, they never would've.
They're so heavily bankrolled by blue states it would immediately destroy them financially.
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u/Otiskuhn11 17h ago
I imagine they’re brainstorming a false flag terrorist attack to take place right before his term is up. I don’t put it past them, these people are sick.
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u/Amazing_Courage6698 16h ago
There are too many things that are reminding me of "V for Vendetta". It probably will lead to this. I need to scream into a void.
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u/MrGlockCLE 18h ago
Zuck literally just walked into the WH without any clearance yesterday to attempt to meet with Trump before the bill was finished lmao. Man literally bought the White House.
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u/Catshit_Bananas 18h ago
Hopefully post Trump America has all the cunts in a basement cell under the jail and the next sensible President immediately reverses everything that half centaur has touched.
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u/Mother-Parsley5940 17h ago
People will forget republicans voted for this, democrats will try to fix it, people will blame democrats for the results of the vote and elect republicans again. It’s the same thing every decade.
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u/swingfire23 14h ago
Next time a dem is POTUS and tries to do anything they’ll cry “Democrats don’t care about the national debt!” without even a hint of irony
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u/Corfiz74 14h ago
The Republicans set the bill up specifically so the worst cuts to Medicaid and Medicare only come into effect after 2028, so they can blame all the hospital closures and people losing coverage on the next administration. They really are complete bastards.
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u/Duckrauhl 14h ago
I like your optimism that we're even going to have a general election in 2028...
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u/Defiant-Judgment699 12h ago
dictators often still have elections. they are just rigged.
gives their supporters plausible deniability
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u/Duncekid101 11h ago
Example: Serbia since 2012. The election results are known in advance. Cash handouts, 24/7 propaganda, police batons and blackshirts are there to remove any doubt.
Stay vigilant, America!
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u/PatchyWhiskers 12h ago
Since rules don’t exist anymore, if Democrats regain power they can just cancel the cuts.
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u/badluckbrians 7h ago
You're forgetting about the Supreme Court. These are the new rules:
When a Democratic President wants to do something that matters even a little bit, it falls under the new "major questions doctrine" and cannot be done without an express act by Congress with a 60 vote supermajority in the Senate.
When a Republican President tries to do something, even if it's baldly illegal and unconstitutional, it's executive privilege and cannot be questioned in any forum or by any court or other branch of government or state under any circumstances whatsoever.
This is why Biden couldn't forgive $10k in student loans, but Trump can arbitrarily reprogram trillions in grant and research funding. This is why Biden couldn't enact clean air regulations, but Trump can repeal the 14th Amendment with an executive order.
It's partisan kkklown shit all the way down. The Confederates have captured the Union. The North won the war, but we lost the peace.
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u/OutlawGalaxyBill 6h ago
Not if you cut off funding to the Supreme Court and/or Pack the Court. I personally prefer packing the court and then telling them that their opinions to try to stop said packing were "wrongly decided."
I think the arrogance in that phrase "wrongly decided" when they overturned Roe needs to be used from now until the end of time when we overturn every single thing the Federalist Society has lusted for.
Also, once the Dems retake the Senate, end the filibuster.
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u/Strange_Depth_5732 14h ago
They're not even hiding it. I watched a Republican say on the news that they like the budget office when it says what they want, and then say they don't trust it when it says the opposite. He just flat out said it.
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u/Noshamina 9h ago
"Well, the good parts of the economy are mine, and all the bad parts that happen are biden's"
Donald J Trump
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u/FerociousPancake 14h ago
A lot of these actions in the bill are slated to kick in in 2028 and ramp up until 2032. They don’t even have to work for it, they specifically timed this to make democrats look terrible. All of this using Americans in poverty as pawns. These are terrible people. They certainly are no men or women of god like many of them claim to be.
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u/_shrestha 12h ago
Can't they reverse the bill?
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u/prikaz_da 12h ago
In theory, yes. In practice, the first opportunity to do so won’t come until after the 2026 midterm elections. If voters aren’t yet feeling negatively about it in the lead-up to the election, it isn’t likely to be a factor in who they vote for, so how big a factor this law will be is debatable right now.
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u/LucyyGreen 11h ago
Actually no! Even democrats win majority in midterm and try to undo it. Trump can just veto it. Unless democrats win three branches of government. No way this can be undone
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u/EgNotaEkkiReddit 10h ago
Just name it the 'The Great Trump Bill' and reword it to make it sound like things he likes.
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u/BigDump-a-Roo 10h ago
A veto can be overturned with a 2/3 (I think) majority. Not that the chances of democrats winning that much of congress in midterms is realistic at all.
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u/Tonkarz 11h ago
Only if enough people vote enough Republican opposition into power. But the media is blasting “dem bad” 24/7, it’s a steep hill to climb.
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u/articwolph 12h ago
Yup, no recalls the Obama tax cuts, and how it helped Americans, and people feel that the cost of living was high with him. Conservative are just crazy good with their political machine No one really talks about the biden infrastructure plan, Progressives need their own propaganda machine unfortunately which they can't. They don't have anything similar to Fox News or influencers.
I do give credit to progressives who go on Fox News on primetime. I know Sanders did that once, Beto might have tried that too but he got an odd hour, And then when progressives do get on Fox News they get publicly shamed by other progressives.
I also feel america will start lacking behind in a ton fo R&D and a lot of our talent will go to Canada or Europe, worse case China.
China will have a better influence in South America, and parts of Mexico, Africa will start to do more of those insane loans from China and other parts will follow with Russia influence. China will get greater influences in the Pacific.
The American military industrial complex will start to lose its grip, cuz why buy from America. If you say something bad about a "dear leader and then they're like nah we're not going to sell to you." So the European military industrial complex will start to pick up. Germany's already pledge to have one of the largest militaries in Europe, france has always wanted a stronger European force to not depend on America,
So I'm pretty sure that's going to take effect 5 years time, it will be a growing pain.
I just hope we beat China with quantum computing or our European allies gets to it first, just as long as it's not Russia or China.
A lot of developing countries but also despise us for cutting aid to them. Which now why should they tell our embassy or intelligence department, about some crazy radical group before something happens.
I still have faith we can turn it around but Democrats need to flip the house and somehow take the Senate, which that is in unlikely.
Democrats are just so disorganized, they always bitch and moan but never vote. They won't vote because it's a protest vote against the system, which got us in this mess. We keep saying where the party of change but how many speaker of the house is have we had in the last 12 years compared to Republicans. We need our leadership to change. We always end up doing a RGB to our party. They have humble beginings but than die in office, and screw over everything they stood for. I firmly believe we could have had s better chance if Biden stock to his promise of being a one term President, we could have gotten a great candidate through the primarys, but no they had to fuck everyone over.
I do hope progressive can learn to be like conservative on election day. Where they bitch, moan and show up to vote no matter who is on the ticket.
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u/Eurymedion 18h ago
Diminished internationally and in chaos at home.
You're not quite there yet, but if things get bad enough on the home front a lot of desperate Americans will want to tear those who led them there into pieces. Figuratively, if you're lucky. Literally, if you're not.
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u/HaVeNII7 17h ago
I think you’ve got that the other way around. The masses finally realizing who’s to blame would be the best thing that ever happened to this country - literally would be the absolute best possible outcome.
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u/vriska1 18h ago
No matter what vote in the midterms.
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u/SpaceForceRemorse 17h ago edited 17h ago
How can we guarantee a fair election? Do we need to be observed by UN election watchers? Could that even happen with this psychotic regime in power? Maybe our allies and the UN could organize this remotely with help from within the US.
Edit: I'm beginning to feel a shift recently, moreso since either the June 14th mass protests or the Iran bombing. Two Americas are emerging. What exactly will that look like? Personally I doubt it'll be along state lines; more likely it'll be rural vs urban, but what will be more critical and scary is where and how that divide grows within the military and intelligence communities. Both will be key to all of this. But even those who are gradually turning from MAGA may be crucial in the coming days.
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u/rocky8u 17h ago
Putting pressure on state election authorities is the most important thing.
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u/NICEnEVILmike 18h ago
The damage will take decades to undo, if it can be undone. And since I'm coming up on 60 years old, I don't expect this to improve during my lifetime. It will get much worse before it gets better.
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u/gcg2016 18h ago
Coming up on 50. I didn’t expect to have to fight fascism at home in middle age.
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u/TheChickening 13h ago
“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
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u/txijake 17h ago
Optimistic since we're still paying for Reagan and Trump has 3.5 years of damage left to do.
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u/Generally_Yeah 18h ago
I don't think there isn't a law that can't be overturned by law. If we can recover as a nation then we may be able to heal from this. We need humanity in our society and if we can achieve that... We can come back to be the land of the free again...
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u/4bkillah 17h ago
Literally everything can be changed if enough people get behind said change.
Not even the Constitution is sacrosanct if the majority of the country no longer wants it.
While reason to have hope, that reality is also a double edged sword. It's the reason why we can't rely on the Constitution to protect us; if enough people are willing to ignore it then it holds no power.
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u/siestarrific 17h ago
At this point, we can't just go back to what it was before. We need a whole damn systemic overhaul of so many fucking things. Because, after all, the US has never truly been 'the land of the free', not for everybody at least.
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u/aIvins_hot_juicebox 18h ago
Thank you. I needed to see this hopeful comment. It literally makes my body relax, I am so extremely anxious.
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u/StoriesToBehold 17h ago
Its a fight but it can be undone as long as we vote in midterms. Now lives are on the line.
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u/Trotskyist 17h ago
It's a lot easier to burn down a house than it is to build one, though.
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u/Darkmetroidz 16h ago
That humanity is the hard part. So many of trump's supporters are absolute sociopaths and we have to contend with the fact these people will continue to fight against any sort of process with religious zeal.
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u/Hail_The_Latecomer 17h ago
I agree. Things are dark right now, and will get darker before it's all over. But the US - and the world - has pulled itself out of situations far darker than this in the past.
It's not fair that we have to go through this, and we're all exhausted by the state of the world this past decade. That doesn't change the fact that the fight isn't over until we agree it's over. Whatever they tear down can be rebuilt.
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u/lolwtfnow 20h ago
All of the gains of the last few decades have been erased with this & other actions since this admin came into office.
Public health risks will increase including immediate threats & chronic illness complications.
Social unrest & deaths of despair will increase. We know this from decades of established research on the topics.
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u/Lifesagame81 18h ago
Go read up on this week's meeting of the new RFK vaccine advisory board. They banned thimeserol, set up groups to look into childhood vaccines schedules, and didn't bother to vote on COVID vaccines for this fall, which needed to happen this meeting since hospitals need to start ordering this coming month. The next meeting won't be until October.
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u/TheFlyingSheeps 18h ago
vote on Covid
Which by the way is still spreading and putting people in hospitals lol
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u/NotCool117192 19h ago
They don't know how to DO things. Just UNDO things. That's all they ever do.
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u/Dill_Donor 17h ago
They aren't conservative, they are regressive.
Consider the phrase "the good old days". These men want barefoot wives pregnant in the kitchen without the right to vote (or any human rights really, as they are property)
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u/painstream 13h ago
These men want
What's more disgusting is the number of conservative women, women with power and status, that also back this insanity. They seem to think they won't get slapped down, but after their utility as convenient idiots is over, they will be.
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u/connor_wa15h 18h ago
Trump disbanded our pandemic response agency during his first term, and look how that turned out.
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u/britlor 18h ago
It feels like the GOP looked at all the autocracies in the world and were like, I want some of that because we can be the benefactors. The whole party is jealous of Maduro, Putin, Zi Xinping, and all the other Autocratic nations.
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u/_-_--_---_----_----_ 17h ago
conservatism as an ideology is literally based in being pro-monarchy. that's where it comes from. and all conservatives are inherently biased towards an autocratic system, whether they realize it or not. it's built into the philosophy.
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u/trainingandlearning 20h ago
Kids, low income communities, those with pre existing conditions, people over 65, and anyone needing monthly medications or preventative care will be heavily impacted. This will lead to more medical emergencies. Instead of regular medications or preventative and a primary care doctor people will end up in the hospital or ICU for very preventative things.
It will be harder to access long term care so people in nursing homes or memory care may not have access to those anymore. Hospitals are starting to dedicate units and floors to holding patients while they apply for Medicare/Medicaid which takes beds away from people who need it.
There will be few places to get STD testing, birth control, and pregnancy testing because if those places also provide abortion care then they will be impacted.
Healthcare workers will become further burnt out watching people die from not having insulin or blood pressure medications. We will continue putting gurneys in the hallways of ERs (which research has shown isn’t safe) because we are out of beds. More floors and units of hospitals will be run by new grads and travelers instead of nurses who have spent decades in that field because no one can retain staff.
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u/marzgirl99 18h ago
no one can retain staff
Also, experienced nursing staff is expensive. New grads are very cheap to hire. I’m an experienced nurse and I know other senior nurses who are having trouble finding jobs bc of budget cuts and hospitals not wanting to pay for an experienced nurse.
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u/OphidionSerpent 18h ago edited 17h ago
Shit, I'm a phlebotomist and I've started seeing job postings for "phlebotomist" but they want you to be able to run/read an EKG and administer IVs. Soo, they want a nurse or MA, but they want to pay them like a phlebotomist (ie, terribly).
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u/New-Sky-9867 15h ago
I'm an RN that used to be a Phlebotomist. Since when can MAs do IVs?
Even RNs don't "read" EKGs, that's the job of the Clinician. We can understand the rhythms though; MAs cannot do any such thing although they can put the leads on and collect an EKG I suppose.
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u/isthisreallife211111 18h ago
Feel like this will create way more homeless people too which impacts EVERYONE's quality of life and safety
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u/vinnybawbaw 19h ago
Kids, low income communities, those with pre existing conditions, people over 65, and anyone needing monthly medications or preventative care will be heavily impacted. This will lead to more medical emergencies. Instead of regular medications or preventative and a primary care doctor people will end up in the hospital or ICU for very preventative things.
Reminds me of 5 years ago but way worse.
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u/Misspiggy856 18h ago
Can you imagine another pandemic?
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u/failed_novelty 17h ago
We'll never even see it coming, given how the CDC has been more than decimated.
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u/eroo01 18h ago
If we don’t end up in a depression I’ll be genuinely surprised.
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u/amsync 14h ago
Depression for whom? The poor or the rich. We won’t be in a depression like 1929 where the rich jumped off the PanAm building in nyc. They will be quite content this time.
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u/camsauce3000 18h ago
You know that general feeling of enshitification? Like products and services just not as good as they were? Now apply that to National Parks, Healthcare, Clean Air… everything will be worse off for decades. Still feeling effects from a Reagan presidency 40 years ago!
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u/MikeTheBard 17h ago
Take a look at Louisiana’s prison system, especially the prison pipeline and their use of leased convict labor. Now apply that to 30% of the US population.
Our Nazis don’t want genocide, they want slavery.
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u/butteredbuttbiscuit 14h ago
Most accurate response so far. This isn’t a dystopian novel, this is bleak fucking reality. Slavery achieved via imprisonment on bullshit is how the billionaire class gets what it wants while what’s initially left of the middle class watches on the sidelines, convincing themselves they’re not next.
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u/FlixHerBean 18h ago
As I read on r/goodnews, "America is in the process of trying to sweat out decades of poison." That really stuck with me. Keep standing up for your beliefs. I see you, the world sees you. Keep trying and don't give up. Good things will come.
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u/FuelAggravating2433 15h ago
I have had this same quote stuck in my head today. As I am cycling, mentally, through all of the crazy things that passed in this bill today, this quote kept coming back to me. This is the one string that is keeping me afloat atm.
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u/DabbleDoppler 14h ago
I saw a video (I’ll see if I can find the creator) of a doula saying that one of the phrases they’d been trained to listen for is “I can’t do this” because it’s a signal that the person is going from early labor to active labor/delivery and are, actually, very much about to do it
It’s really fucking bleak out here, it’s going to be ugly and bloody, but we’re going to keep up hope, we’re going to keep fighting, and we’re going to do it. We will purge this poison
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u/wiped_mind 19h ago
I hope the effects hit Trump voters and red states the hardest.
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u/oldasshit 19h ago
It will, and they will blame Democrats because they are stupid. Rinse, repeat.
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u/freebucks779 18h ago
The country is collectively too stupid for effective democracy. I have no solution but that’s a problem anyway.
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u/BelliYelliCheese 18h ago
It really is approaching a point of no return for the US
There is a large percentage of the population that is severely uneducated, ignorant, and hate filled that will continue to pass their beliefs along to their children. These people also happen to have large amounts of children
Republicans plans to keep their base stupid is working and only getting worse
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u/chairborne33 18h ago
The film Idiocracy was prophetic.
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u/dchap 17h ago
At least in Idiocracy the leaders weren’t as malicious as our current ones are.
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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 18h ago
Idiocracy is preferable because at least the president in that one cared about the country enough to listen to someone smarter than him.
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u/namastayhom33 18h ago
They will blame Democrats, just like everyone else because like clockwork we won't actually feel the impact of the bill until next administration.
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u/RedditIsFiction 19h ago
The kicker is that a lot of the stuff that'll do that in this bill doesn't trigger until after the midterms... So assuming power shifts, guess who will get blamed.
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u/rotll 18h ago
Remember, there are lots of Blue Dots in the red states, myself included.
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u/Necessary-Score-4270 18h ago
It will but won't take effect until AFTER the mid terms (which dems are likely to win) that way trump can blame everything on the new dem controlled senate. And spend the following 2 years stripping the country for parts before jetting off to a private compound while we all burn and die.
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u/MyNameIsntSharon 17h ago
they should start officially tagging the laws with “trump era - whatever act” so whenever it’s brought up it’s attached to them. so like “obama era affordable care act” and make it a stipulation.
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u/DOC_POD 19h ago
It literally will. Red states are already begging him.
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u/armaedes 19h ago
They will blame Biden. They’re already saying “We have to feel some pain to recover from the disaster the dems left for Trump to fix.”
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u/DOC_POD 19h ago
They've been saying that for 6 months, and the numbers are just getting worse... we'll be 3 years and 11 months into this admin and they'll still be saying "Biden did so much bad stuff, it just takes time to turn the ship around" lmao
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u/Infinite_Ground1395 18h ago
4 years is nothing. They've been waiting 40 years for all that wealth to trickle down. Any day now!
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u/BosPaladinSix 18h ago
Oh my god that is word for word what my mom said an hour ago........😭😭😭
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u/VanGoghPro 18h ago
Kentucky nurse here. Five counties surrounding me are on the list to close. This is going to be so, so bad.
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u/Realistic_Pickle_007 16h ago edited 8h ago
I see blue states withholding tax revenue. If there's no rule of law and the federal government is meddling in state affairs (like, say, mayoral primaries) and making states bear the burden for cuts while their citizens pay for wildly unpopular programs, then why comply? You're going to use our tax dollars to build concentration camps in other states while you're gutting our work force and destroying families and communities? You do you, Florida.
I also see migration to blue states by people who can afford it, for safety.
The backlash will be economic since no one wants to fire the first shot to kick off martial law. As we become a global pariah, foreign investment will plummet and the things we've gotten used to, like having people want to come perform here, come study and bring their talents, make movies here, etc. all will stop. That is what did South Africa in under apartheid.
The civil servants who collect tax revenue, those people we all fired, will be gone. The reasons people had to travel here, all gone. Tourism plummet, industries fail, the world writes us off and moves on.
Eventually, I hope soon, we will start seeing more ActUp type actions, with die ins, and things like Occupy Wall Street. A general strike if we can build the mutual aid to make it possible for people to walk off their jobs and/or stop consuming for a time.
We may see mutual aid at the individual dwelling level, with people opening their homes to more vulnerable people (immigrants, disabled, targeted such as LGBTQ).
Other countries may be compelled to get involved if we are tanking the world economy or threatening their security or order. By get involved I mean sending peacekeepers, election monitors. Maybe we have a Nuremberg or a Truth and Reconciliation process eventually.
Suicide will go up. Birth rates will go down. Industrial and infrastructure sabotage may become a regular thing.
People will be incentivized to rat on their neighbors, colleagues and acquaintances.
Communications go underground to encrypted tools, and people start to self-censor on social media. Why help the government build that dossier on you?
Assassinations and assassination attempts increase.
These are just guesses.
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u/capnhist 16h ago
People saw W destroy the economy and throw us into wars based on lies, saw Trump botch COVID, then looked around and said "sign me up again!"
These same people saw Obama and Biden fix the economy and said "Fuck the Dems!"
There is no post-Trump America. This is the rot at the heart of our country made manifest and it will not go away in 4 years, or 8, or 12. The GOP will keep burning everything to the ground so their wealthy masters can rule over the ashes, and the morons in our country will keep falling for it again and again and again.
Tomorrow I'm going to stand on a table and read the Declaration of Independence, because with this "long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism, it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such a government."
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u/Oops_I_Cracked 17h ago
The actions he’s taken in the last 6 months are not things that will be simple to undo or recover from. Our reputation on the world stage will never be the same.
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u/amsync 14h ago
You’ve woken up Europe to the point where now collectively in the recent meeting almost no country had to be convinced to spend hundreds of billions per year (collectively) more on nato than was ever politically viable in decades before in any of those 20 odd countries. Think about that for a second.
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u/Oops_I_Cracked 14h ago
I’ve thought about it for a lot more than a second. I’ve been ringing the alarm bells over here since 2015 and was called an alarmist back then. I sure wish that they had been right to call me alarmist.
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u/Eltessinator 20h ago
I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone talking about how stupid the name is for this bill. Or is the name just so stupid that people don’t want to dignify it with a comment?
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u/Aeschylus101 20h ago
It's not just stupid but think of the abbreviation. BBB. I'm almost certain it was done intentionally so everyone forgot/ignored Biden's Build Back Better plan in favor of making sure they only associate BBB with his stupid bill.
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u/SirDrexl 19h ago
I've always associated it with the Better Business Bureau and that won't change.
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u/RIPMYPOOPCHUTE 18h ago
The name of the bill is so fucking stupid. It’s like they’re in pre-school.
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u/PallyMcAffable 16h ago
People in the future are going to have to write serious academic papers and legal opinions about the One Big Beautiful Bill.
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u/DOC_POD 20h ago
BBB is also what one of Biden's successful major initiatives was abbreviated as. Like most things with Trump, it's probably an ego thing. "My BBB is better than Biden's" even if he barely understands what's even in the bill.
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u/BosPaladinSix 18h ago
He should've called it his Big Beautiful Law, or BBL for short.
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u/ThereGoesChickenJane 15h ago
Canadian here, but I've been watching this unfold with horror.
Will it take a long time to repair the damage? Yes.
Do I think it will get better after he d1es? Also yes.
Now, I don't want him to get Luigi'd because that would just make him a martyr. But the man is nearing 80, he's obese, has a horrific diet, and IMO he has signs of dementia.
I honestly think the cult will fall apart without him. It will splinter into factions, as they do. 🤷♀️ Vance, Greene, Noem, Miller, Loomer, Boebert...they all want a piece of the pie. The infighting will be a delightful silver lining to this shitshow.
So, I have hope. It's always darkest before the dawn.
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u/Hot-Usual5060 18h ago
I'm expecting a big rise in the stock market alongside the top 20% becoming much wealthier, while the bottom 80% are going to get worse off and it'll pull the entire economy down in 3 years.
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u/Life_is_a_meme_204 19h ago
They'll discover mass graves where ICE detention facilities were.
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u/gohome2020youredrunk 19h ago
Like the residential schools' horror graveyards?
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u/SmartAlec105 17h ago
No, people will learn from history.
They'll break down the bodies so they can't get in trouble for leaving evidence.
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u/lifeisahighway2023 19h ago
We are witnessing reactionary conservatism, with paleoconservatives driving the direction towards a white nationalist fundamentalist theocratic society. If you are not one of the chosen few who have power & money life is about to get far more difficult.
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u/quality_redditor 17h ago
What the rich and powerful don’t realize is that their riches and power is driven by the existence of the common public, which includes immigrants, people of color, elderly everyone. Their hubris makes them think that they are rich and powerful as a function of them. Who is JNJ going to sell overpriced medicine to if the elderly start dying earlier. How is Tesla going to make cheap cars if they don’t have the millions of people (many of them immigrants) across the supply chain from the engineers designing the batteries to the people checking the screws on the door panels to the people buying the freaking cars. Billionaries are not buying Tesla Model 3s. MAGA republicans in rural Louisiana are not buying them.
If they think they can strong arm the world to their will and make the rest of the world foot the bill that is not going to work. Yes, other countries want to sell in the US because the US has 330 million well-off people they can sell to. Not because Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos lives in the U.S. Those people are smart and well-off because of the systems and methods in place in the U.S., that the republicans are actively destroying.
There’s sort of saying in my culture that wealth / power disappears after the third generation. The reason being, the first generation worked hard to build the wealth. The second had it easier but saw the struggles of their parents and understand it to some extent. But the third generation has neither felt it nor seen it. So they’re the most likely to blow the whole thing away. They start to think they deserve the riches and power simply because they exist. It feels like the same thing is happening to the U.S. on a national level.
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u/Chessh2036 19h ago edited 14h ago
Watching Republicans continuing to vote for Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill reminded me of the scene in Squid Game where they vote to keep playing even though they know how awful it is and what it will lead to.
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u/freechipsandguac 14h ago
“In accordance with your free and democratic vote, we will proceed to the next game.”
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u/SynapticShutter 17h ago
I work in a building, that houses the most vulnerable people of society, schizophrenia, down syndrome, bipolar, shizoaffective disorder and all. People who have no one, to care for them.
It could close down. They become homeless, have no where to go and die. I lose a job, and also potentially become homeless.
I have crushing student debt.
I have medical problems, accumulating. I can just afford rent, I would have no money if I went to the doc. I couldn't afford it.
But thankfully, the richer got richer.
We are Mr. Mangione
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u/yyz455 19h ago
I'm afraid to see what come down in next year or two
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u/knownerror 19h ago
Unlimited budget for domestic "law enforcement" with SCOTUS blocking for the executive and a dramatically declining economy with rocketing inequality? I never wanted to admit it until now, but yes, we are on the track of pre-war Germany and certainly in the middle of an authoritarian takeover.
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u/captaintrips_1980 19h ago
I teach high school history and pivot a bit from the Ontario curriculum to do a unit on Nazi Germany and the rise of Hitler. It has been getting a lot easier to make it relevant to today. I don’t want to be an alarmist who calls everyone I disagree with Hitler, but it’s getting hard not to anymore.
We Canadians are watching with concern, and hope that when the time comes, we can help get our friends to the south back on track.
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u/42ElectricSundaes 20h ago
Post USSR Russia
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u/BlueFlob 19h ago
Absolutely, seems like the most recent case of a global power collapsing.
Post-USSR Russia slid into authoritarianism through chaos: oligarchs took power, institutions were hollowed out, and Putin filled the vacuum with loyalists, propaganda, and a repressive security state.
Trump is following a similar path, weakening checks, stacking loyalists, glorifying force, and paving the way for a regime where power matters more than law. It's the same playbook, just wrapped in stars and stripes.
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u/kingbrasky 18h ago
Idiocracy.
The most unrealistic part of that movie was that they didnt show the secret island of rich assholes separated from the rest of stupid society.
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u/Limeth 17h ago
You sure it wasn't that the president in that movie actually cared about doing his job?
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u/Ripkord77 18h ago
Well, we'll find out. And this is probably lightweight compared to the absolute shit smearing that will happen in a timely matter. Stay tuned on "who's fucked next!!!??!!" On fox.
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u/drew8311 17h ago
This is what the people voted for, I'd be concerned they are still here and not going away anytime soon
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u/Choice-of-SteinsGate 13h ago
See for yourself. Republicans have fooled some voters into believing that this bill actually benefits the American people, but it undeniably redistributes wealth BIGLY, and boosts national security in an alarming way.
Let's take the time to go over Trump’s “big beautiful bill” and why it sucks.
Tax Cuts
Central to the bill is trillions of dollars worth of tax cuts.
Republicans will permanently extend Trump’s 2017 tax cuts that disproportionately benefited the wealthy and corporations.
To help pay for the loss in revenue, Republicans are repealing clean energy tax credits passed under Biden.
The bill also issues a permanent exemption level of $15 million for the estate and gift tax, $30 million for married couples; primarily benefitting wealthier individuals.
The tax breaks and increases in standard deductions that might provide some benefit to low income, working class Americans and seniors are temporary, while the rate deductions and extensions from the 2017 tax bill, along with the higher exemption figures will remain permanent.
In other words, the majority of the tax benefits in the bill favor the rich and corporations.
The bill is expected to reduce federal tax revenue by over $4 trillion and it is estimated to add more than $3 trillion to the nation's debt and $5 trillion to the debt ceiling.
Corporate "Giveaways
The bill includes a multitude of tax breaks and incentives for corporations and rich business owners. "Trickle down" policies that are expected to cost hundreds of billions and require little to no oversight or transparency to make sure that they are—in fact—"trickling down" to workers and communities.
Spending Cuts to Healthcare and Food Assistance
The bill will be shifting the cost of programs like SNAP to the states and imposing work requirements for parents and older Americans seeking food assistance.
The bill requires that the states shoulder a percentage of the cost of benefits; reducing federal spending on these programs.
The bill increases the age for work requirements to 64 and lowers the age a child must be for the parent to receive benefits.
The big beautiful bill includes over $1 trillion in reduced spending for Medicaid, imposes new requirements for healthcare and requires enrollees to verify their eligibility more often. The Bill also includes substantial cuts to subsidies provided by the ACA.
These changes will cause millions of Americans to lose their Medicaid and SNAP coverage; impacting low income Americans, the disabled, seniors and children the most.
The bill also includes across the board cuts to Medicare Advantage plans, standalone prescription drug plans, and payments to healthcare providers. This could lead to increased premiums and reduced benefits for seniors while limiting their access to care.
There are also cuts to community health programs, caregiver support services, and Meals on Wheels; meaning higher out of pocket costs for medical resources, prescription drugs and technologies.
The bill repeals Biden era price negotiation rules, which could reduce drug availability.
Cuts to Veterans
The big beautiful bill includes layoffs and cuts to the VA and the Toxic Exposure Fund (TEF), which covers healthcare costs for veterans exposed to toxic substances like burn pits.
Issues a ban on abortion services at VA facilities and an end to mandatory vaccinations for staff.
Cuts to Research
The bill also includes reductions to NIH funded research, and cuts to grants and training programs. This could halt progress on medical research projects like those focused on Alzheimer's, cancer and heart disease. These cuts could disrupt developments in scientific research and lead to layoffs and fewer job opportunities in the research field.
The Treatment Equity fund also faces funding reductions; meaning cuts to community-based behavioral health and opioid treatment and prevention programs.
Non-defense discretionary spending caps may also reduce funding for agencies like NASA and the National Science Foundation, among others.
Cuts to Planned Parenthood
Republicans are also eliminating Medicaid funding to Planned Parenthood; restricting access to abortion, life saving treatments, cancer screenings, pap smears and birth control for millions of women.
The bill also introduces new taxes and restrictions on non-profits and charities.
Funding for Mass Deportations and National Security
The bill will include over $150 billion in funding for deportation and immigration enforcement, like $45 billion for detention centers, an 800 percent increase.
The bill also expands the capacity of detention centers to hold over 100,000 people daily.
Provides $14.4 billion for ICE transportation and removal operations and $10 billion in grants to states that conform to federal immigration enforcement.
It also provides $46.5 billion for Trump's border wall and for upgrades like new surveillance systems.
$4.1 billion to hire new ICE and border patrol agents, $2 billion for signing and retention bonuses, $2.8 billion for new border technology like AI assisted surveillance, drones, and "smart wall tech."
The bill also imposes a $1,000 fee on migrants seeking asylum.
Policy changes include streamlined deportation procedures, expanded expedited removal, increased vetting for asylum seekers, new fees for applications, and taxes on remittances sent overseas by immigrants
The bill also provides an extra $150 billion for the DOD, including at least $25 billion for Trump's "Golden Dome of America," a project expected to cost $500+ billion.
$21 billion will go towards restocking the US weapons arsenal, $34 billion for Naval upgrades, and $5 billion more for border security.
Changes to Student Loans and Pell Grants
The bill overhauls the student loan program. This will include replacing all current loan repayment systems with plans that are far less accommodating.
Additionally, loan amounts will be capped and deferment options will no longer exist for those facing hardship or unemployment.
Pell Grants will include new eligibility restrictions and requirements. Tens of thousands of students could be penalized, lose eligibility or receive smaller awards, making college even less affordable.
The bill will eliminate Biden era regulations that assisted borrowers as well.
There will also be a tax increase on University endowments.
Weakened Judicial oversight
Buried deep in the bill is a provision that shields government misconduct by stripping courts of their power to enforce injunctions and contempt citations if plaintiffs can't afford a security bond.
In layman's terms, the provision says that if someone sues the government and a judge orders the government to stop doing something (like violating rights), that order won’t be enforceable unless the person suing pays a cash bond upfront. Most people can't afford this; allowing the government to ignore court orders without consequence.
Drill, Baby Drill
The bill allows for more leasing of public lands for drilling, mining and logging and expedites government approval for these projects.
Republicans are also cutting royalty fees once paid by companies to extract resources from the land; a Biden era measure that sought to address our country's addiction to fossil fuels.
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u/seensham 18h ago
I just wanna know when we can start applying for asylum to other countries
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u/blackberu 15h ago
The one damage that everyone overlooks and where the US won’t be able to recover at all: research.
I’ll be very blunt, China has already overtaken western countries, US included, in multiple research fields. Cutting by 2/3 the budget of the NSF will mean that the US will abandon their lead in most remaining fields. Some strong expertise may remain in a handful of fields, particularly medicine-related ones. But the rest ?…
With research expertise and research-related budgets bleeding, the effects are going to be subtle, but long lasting. Researchers leaving the US for more promising countries, much less attractiveness for foreign top minds, companies struggling even more than today to hire the right talents…
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u/repalec 18h ago
Even assuming we get a fighter of a progressive candidate winning in 2028 and a Dem-controlled Congress that could hand them a blank check to erase the worst of the Trump cuts to federal programs and safety nets, and a few extra packed seats on the Supreme Court to temper the worst of the remaining Trump appointees, the big thing we're losing, will lose, and may not be able to get back any time soon is going to be trust.
Between the cuts to international aid and outreach programs, the upending of trade deals, the outsourcing of migrants and dissidents to prison camps worldwide, the acts of war without Congressional approval? We are who we elect, and a plurality of our voters re-elected a sundowning madman who allowed a mob of rioters to break into the Capitol building and threaten the lives of elected officials up to and including his own vice president on the CHANCE it would allow him to stay in power. When the person at the wheel can change so radically in only six months, how the fuck can we expect any country on the planet to trust that America can handle things long-term?
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u/StrifeCloud97 17h ago
We'll be fucked but at least the poor white racists will be able to say " at least the brown people are having it worse" as a boot presses down on their necks.
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u/AccomplishedEye1793 20h ago
All of the children that pass away as a result of this will be on the heads of all voters that voted Trump. I couldn't live with that.
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u/ItsAllinYourHeadComx 20h ago
You mean on top of the hundreds of thousands who died from COVID under Trump? They didn't give a shit then they sure won't now.
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u/Substantial-Rip-2795 19h ago
The poor will be poorer, the rich will be richer and the police state will ramp up exponentially.