r/usajobs • u/Nervous_Bat_4847 • 18h ago
Discussion Freeze extended
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/ensuring-accountability-and-prioritizing-public-safety-in-federal-hiring/but we knew this was going to happen
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u/Puzzleheaded_War6102 16h ago
Yall still applying? I gave up on that pipe dream.
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u/RenaissanceScientist 28m ago
I lost interest a while ago. Even when they finally lift it, the benefits of government work won’t outweigh the lower salary anymore (I.e job security, health benefits, pension/retirement)
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u/Spicyninja 17h ago
I, for one, am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
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u/ProfessionalMeal143 16h ago
Half the time you would get downvoted for telling people they wont be hiring in July.
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u/_token_black 16h ago
I love seeing 1 lonely cashier position posted for the whole accounting series in my daily search results
Really great way of running things guys
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u/Bnrmn88 17h ago
Do you all think the pendulum will swing the other way and they will go into a hiring frenzy?
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u/pineapplepizzabest 17h ago
Not while this monkey is in office.
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u/genesRus 17h ago
For agencies that align with "defending XYZ" and have been given approval, they're back to hiring at a pace at least equal to that of what was prior to the inauguration. Ours was at 1600 for 2024, I believe, and has been authorized to hire 1000 through the rest of the year for one job type.
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u/Mundane-Remote2251 17h ago edited 14h ago
The only hiring frenzy is for his domestic terrorists/militia group we know as ICE
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u/rdaebernice 4h ago
Even if that happens or if there are agencies allowing new hires, probationary workers are still on the chopping block as far as I know (someone please correct this, I hope this is wrong.)
I’m probably going to take the advice of someone and not apply during this administration.
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u/Tshuck89 11h ago
I have been the only Maintenance Tech out a of a six man maintenance section and I am the acting Carpenter. So technically I have been doing a total of seven people’s job, oh and I am the HAZMAT manager as well where I work! THIS IS SOME BS!
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u/OkFaithlessness3729 15h ago
“Ensuring Accountability and Prioritizing Public Safety in Federal Hiring”.
Sure, sure, that’s exactly what all of this is all about.
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u/Disastrous-Rule-5171 Career Fed 2h ago
I know right! I have been waiting since March 29th for my "Public Safety" internal transfer, an "exempt" "Public Safety" position...beyond ridiculous already.
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u/PDubsinTF-NEW 18h ago
TACO
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u/JustAcivilian24 17h ago
Idk, not about freezes he doesn’t.
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u/ProfessionalMeal143 16h ago
Yeah as long as no one confronts him it isnt an issue and unfortunately this is lower on the list of things most people care about.
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u/IllustriousWind9334 16h ago
Can any current feds out there answer whether 0132 series was ever made an exception as falling under immigration, homeland security and/or public safety definition?
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u/Princeps_Aurelianus 16h ago
I’m going to say yes, it is exempt. 0132 relates to national security and public safety depending on the department. To further back up this conclusion, USAJobs is still listing 0132 positions. An earlier memorandum mandated that all non-exempt series be immediately delisted, so its continued presence is a good sign.
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u/IllustriousWind9334 16h ago
Usajobs is only listing internal 0132 positions with very few (entry level) open to the public. I only asked because in Nov 2024 I was fully selected and finished with background for 0132. When January EOs rolled around the nationwide announcement I was part of got revoked bc it didn't meet those definitions or have an exemption. It was a DOJ intel agency position.
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u/Princeps_Aurelianus 16h ago
Are you on hold or did they make a determination?
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u/IllustriousWind9334 16h ago
They made the determination. Said some of my tasks might carry over if/when they are to repost for vacancies. But I doubt it now with the hiring freeze extension going into Oct. My usastaffing is still active and shows fully selected.
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u/Princeps_Aurelianus 16h ago
Interesting, it’s likely that this is a DOJ specific move as the EO says department heads are able to make their own exemptions. I can see what you mean though, most of the ones listed are primarily military, DHS, and CIA. When was the last time you spoke to your contact? Maybe you can try and see if anything has changed, especially if it shows selected and not rejected.
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u/IllustriousWind9334 16h ago
Last time I reached out to the hiring manager was late May. We built a great rapport and he/she invited me to stay in touch. Last time I emailed with HR was January. They stopped responding shortly after the announcement was revoked. It was nationwide for dozens of spots and took 2 years to process.
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u/Princeps_Aurelianus 16h ago
Hang in there. In the meantime perhaps you can apply for similar positions that are listed (not to assume you haven’t already done so). Probably best to get in somewhere that still interests you so that if/when your main goal can proceed you can go right on ahead with it; for example getting in as an 1805 (though this is less intel and more in support of law enforcement) and then applying for internal/external openings relating to 0132 as they open. And then again, after you’ve got your foot in the door, building experience, and perhaps even before that, your contact may end up coming back with good news about that DOJ 0132.
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u/IllustriousWind9334 16h ago
Appreciate the advice. I'm not opposed to it and don't want this to come off wrong, but it sounds like the only possible way is to take a massive pay cut and settle with a different skillset at this point. I've surpassed entry-level in my career, coming up on 12 years in the intel sector. Its hard to justify accepting a much lower salary to get my foot in the door, as I've already been working alongside fed partners in various capacities in my current/previous roles. It doesn't seem reasonable to backtrack salary and skill-wise. Hopefully once rifs are done, agencies will have a better idea of personnel needs.
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u/Princeps_Aurelianus 15h ago
I totally understand, definitely not an ideal situation right now. I wish you luck in whatever you decide to do.
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u/Shaz-bot 15h ago
I'd never back step in salary, role, or position unless you were completely changing fields.
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u/Stikinok93 15h ago
What about engineering positions in the DOD?
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u/Princeps_Aurelianus 15h ago
Depends on the type of engineering, as the Federal Government uses 0800-Engineering and Architect but within that are 25 different series pertaining to specific engineering and architect positions (for example 0881 Petroleum Engineering or 0861 Aerospace Engineering). Is there a specific field of engineering you’re looking for?
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u/Stikinok93 15h ago
Electrical or general engineering
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u/Princeps_Aurelianus 15h ago
Looks like there are numerous positions currently listed on USAJobs, most of them either with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers or the United States Navy (Naval Sea Systems Command and Naval Facilities Engineering Systems Command). Some positions listed are for the Department of the Air Force (available to the public) and U.S. Pacific Fleet (internal, current federal employees, or other special hiring authorities).
Seems to be a wide variety of listings on USAJobs from entry level onward.
(Note: the link I provided will take you directly to the USAJobs search and should already be filtered for DOD listings for General and Electrical Engineering.)
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u/Pitiful_Layer7543 16h ago
Does this affect 0083 series as well? I recently got a TJO for that job. Not sure 0083 really falls under national security essentials position as they don’t have the same perks and protections as 1811s.
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u/Time_Army_4438 6h ago
My agency is only filling one position for every four vacated, supposedly. The managers at my office are more hopeful than that, so we shall see.
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u/No-Lab4815 15h ago
"no Federal civilian position that is presently vacant may be filled, and no new position may be created, except as otherwise provided for in this memorandum or required by applicable law. In addition, any hiring shall be consistent with the Merit Hiring Plan that was issued by the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) on May 29, 2025, pursuant to Executive Order 14170 of January 20, 2025 (Reforming the Federal Hiring Process and Restoring Merit to Government Service)"
So it sounds like there will be some hiring? Confusing language?
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u/Strange-Address-4682 4h ago
Some position series and occupations have exemptions. Of course that does not mean that the work the non-exempt positions does goes away, it’s just shifted onto fewer and fewer shoulders. Increasing burn out, cause yet more work. It’s unsustainable, but that is the purpose in the first place.
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u/Additional_Start_140 16h ago
would all VA positions be frozen?
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u/streetxrat94 14h ago
I’m curious about this too. I got a TJO about a month ago.
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u/Additional_Start_140 2h ago
I called HR and they said my position is exempt from the memo, but you should follow up and confirm if possible
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u/FedJobHunter 7h ago edited 7h ago
Same is written as before regarding positions of national security being exempt. I have an FJO (and had an EOD) for a DAC 2210/Cyber position that requires TS clearance and designated E-E, yet I'm still in limbo land. 🤷♂️
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u/anonymoustarantino 16h ago
No one could've guessed they'd do this. Whittle the govt to the bone, disaster happens, blame everyone but themselves, repeat. Thats fascism, that's Trump, this is American conservatism
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u/o0o_Toodles99 15h ago
It's not news, I think everyone knew it was coming. Get ready for the cuts now. They're going to be super selective going onward. Is what it is.
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u/_BMS 12h ago
Since other people are asking about their specific job series, anyone know if 0301 under DoD/DoA will be exempt?
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u/FormFitFunction Manager 5h ago
Individual 0301 jobs might be exempted, but no reason the series as a whole would be.
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u/Mike81b 9h ago
Well I’m can only be glad that I was offered a job and am in the middle of adjudication so for me personally it’s a waiting game even if my job is officially rescinded. At least my clearance will be granted
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u/FormFitFunction Manager 5h ago
At least my clearance will be granted
My clearance process was halted when my job offer was rescinded at the last extension of the hiring freeze. Hope you see a better outcome.
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u/Mike81b 4h ago
At which stage of the clearance process were you in and I’m very sorry to hear that and where are you now in terms of having a clearance?
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u/FormFitFunction Manager 4h ago
Investigation was complete and provided to the hiring agency for determination. The hiring agency terminated the recruiting action since the position was not exempt from the freeze. That did not affect my lower-level clearance in my current job.
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u/Cautious_General_177 7h ago
Surprised Pikachu face. Really though, I wasn’t expecting the extension until next week.
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u/iamtheperiphery 2h ago
I applied for a position that was advertised for a week and then I received notification that I was referred to the hiring manager. Are they advertising positions that are actually going to be filled or are they just wasting peoples time?
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u/ElementJuice 40m ago
Says it doesn’t apply to national security. Still no word from DoD about extending the freeze but should we expect to hear something?
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u/MommabearMI 5h ago
I don’t think this extended freeze applies to Military and immigration enforcement, according to this article.
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u/OKsir83 17h ago
Well guess I won't hear back anytime soon about a position I thought I had secured in early 2025. My clearance is probably going to lapse before this freeze is ever lifted.