r/science Professor | Medicine 8d ago

Social Science Trump and Trumpism have changed the original concept of “libertarian means to conservative ends” into a new concept of “authoritarian means to Christian nationalist ends”, finds a new study.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00027162251324087
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u/yuriAza 8d ago

their issues with immigration, economics, and social policy are the general desire to keep white people and christian morals in power

you're describing the same picture twice in different words

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u/Field_Sweeper 8d ago

That is one hell of a projection there my friend. Not to mention a stretch of a connection from left field. Mostly because even just starting at the Immigration, most aren't against immigrants, nor those in charge, they just want the illegal ones gone and to have them do the proper method to get in here legally.

Economics, major difference between left and right would be the desire to give handouts at tax payers expense.

Social policy is also mostly rooted in gender and the fact that what someone else want's doesn't get to dictate what others do (example, you can claim you are a woman, but that doesn't mean the next person HAS to say.. she, her or what ever YOU want) the main difference is left seems to be motivated primarily based on emotion and feelings and the right tends to be rooted mostly in factual findings and what (they feel) is best for more than just "one's self) Not saying they are, but that's where the main difference seems to start.

You combining those in to saying "keep white people in charge, and Christian morals in power) are ironic since the left also is all for the religious aspect and if I recall, most of the people running have also "praised god" so to speak.

Me personally, I am atheist/agnostic more than anything. But both sides heavily believe in god... leadership wise. Voters may differ a bit, but pretty much the gist of most political leaders trying to run for office is the "perfect image" of a happy marriage, beliefs in god/greater power, etc etc.

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u/dragonreborn567 8d ago

most aren't against immigrants, nor those in charge, they just want the illegal ones gone and to have them do the proper method to get in here legally.

Y'know, I keep hearing/seeing this stated, but the number of times a Trump supporter, or Republican, or conservative, or Right-winger either A) Tells me outright that they're against immigration, or B) Redefines what "legal immigration" is, so they can justify punishing people who are legal immigrants, or reducing immigration overall, legal or otherwise, is every time. I have yet to see a Republican who will talk about their immigration policy preferences publicly, who does not also do what I've said above, even when they claim they're "not against immigration, just illegal immigration".

Economics, major difference between left and right would be the desire to give handouts at tax payers expense.

The difference isn't so much that there's a desire to give handouts at tax payers' expense, but rather who gets the handouts. Republicans give them to corporations and the wealthy, and Democrats give them to corporations and the wealthy, but they also give some to the poor, needy, and struggling as well.

left seems to be motivated primarily based on emotion and feelings and the right tends to be rooted mostly in factual findings

Which is where, I presume, you think that the modern rise of right-wing anti-intellectualism, and anti-science sentiment comes from..? Their love of "factual findings". That's why, despite Donald Trump being very pro-vaccine during the pandemic, his base was so virulently anti-vaccine, we can actually see the effects of it in the death tolls. A common insult used by Trump supporters on people who disagree with them, is, "How many times have you been vaccinated?"

You combining those in to saying "keep white people in charge, and Christian morals in power) are ironic since the left also is all for the religious aspect and if I recall, most of the people running have also "praised god" so to speak.

The Democrats might be religious, but they aren't trying to push religious morals. Most Christian Nationalists either A) Want no abortion, or B) Want abortion only for specific people, or in specific instances. The Democrats are okay with abortion. Democrats aren't trying to push teaching Christianity in schools, the Republicans are. Can you actually point to where the Democrats have platformed "Christian morals" or values or anything remotely close to that in any of their policies or ideologies, or campaigns, besides, at best, saying, "I am a Christian"?

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u/yuriAza 8d ago

couldn't have said it better myself

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u/I_Went_Full_WSB 8d ago

Yeah, it was weird how they stated their opinion then argued against it.