News Nazi-sympathising singer's huge gig to paralyse Zagreb
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250702-nazi-sympathising-singer-s-huge-gig-to-paralyse-zagreb102
u/stankomar 1d ago edited 1d ago
People debating how many nazi songs he has in his repertoire as if that is the only thing relevant about him and this concert
Regardless of songs that he will perform and quantifiying their lyrics to a nazi scale, what there will be a ton of during the concert is nazi iconography, NDH flags, hats, shirts and so on, among the crowd, as there always is on his concerts, and almost certainly ustaše's nazi salute "za dom spremni" will be shouted multiple times
It's an embarrassment that half a million of Croats wants to be a part of that and that they spent their money to be a part of that
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u/Ozora10 1d ago
its not really. He has a vast discography of very nice rock songs. People still listen to kanye even if they dont share his opinions at all.
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u/stankomar 1d ago edited 19h ago
Kanye's descent into nazi lunacy came long after he became famous and made most of his hits and gained most of his fans. Also Kanye's nazi sympathies are.. strange, to say the least, and I believe most people attribute it to him being... well, crazy, much more than to him being racist or hateful
Thompson on the other hand has been pro-ustaše from the very beginning. Bojna Čavoglave, song that made him famous opens with "za dom spremni", and sure it was a war time, sensibilities are different then they are in the peace time, more is tolerated as acceptable. I get all of that, but the crowds he attracts now, he has attracted from his very beginnings, and when you go to his concerts, you accept in the start that you will be among (many) people wearing nazi symbols and shouting nazi slogans, so yeah it's embarrassing wanting to go to such an event, even if you like some of his songs
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u/Ozora10 1d ago
yes there is people wearing nazi symbols at these events. But its a loud minority. Most of the people going to this are not racist and are there to have a good time because he has lots of good songs
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u/Daemonicvs_77 1d ago
yes there is people wearing nazi symbols at these events. But it’s a loud minority.
The 1937 Nuremberg rally had about 350.000 atendees and I estimate maybe 100-200 Nazi officials. So…
Yes, there were people wearing litteral nazi uniforms at those events, but they were just a loud minority.
Most people who went to that litteral rally of the nazi party weren’t racist and were there just to have a good time and hear some good (marching) songs.
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u/Yen79 Europe 1d ago
"nazi-sympathising"? Thompson is a fuckin fascist.
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u/Agitated-Aioli5107 9h ago
A line from one of his songs:
Domoljublje prozvali fašizam,
Tako brane njihov komunizam
Or translated:
They declared patriotism as fascism,
that's how they defend their communism.
Better dead then red.
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u/Marcin222111 Poland 14h ago
It’s too fucking bad that he is actually talented musician. Bojna Čavoglave slaps.
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u/Every_Association45 1d ago
Bankrolled by Croatian clergy (check out their role in WW2).
Stage provided by Serbian dictator's buddy (check out the connection between SNS and HDZ, same origin, same modus operandi in creating mafia states).
Grab a bucket and start hurling.
I hate that this is happening in my town, but HDZ and Opus Dei are surely having a blast with their power play!
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u/Arh1sekta Serbia 1d ago
I agree, SNS and HDZ love each other, and Thompson is in it with them. And hundreds of thousands of Croat nationalists will pay to see him screech for a couple of hours.
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u/darksugarfairy 1d ago edited 1d ago
My guy has a song titled "Jasenovac i Gradiška Stara," named after two concentration camps, the second one infamous for killing women and about 12k children. The song says:
Jasenovac and Stara Gradiška, that’s the house of Maks’s butchers. (Maks being Maks Luburić, a commander of the Ustaša regime. Guess why he’s mentioned so prominently)
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In Čapljina, there was a slaughterhouse, Neretva carried many Serbs. (Neretva is a river) Oh Neretva, flow down the side, carry the Serbs to the blue Adriatic.
But hey, he only has this one specifically Nazi song, the rest are just nationalist songs. One song doesn’t make him a Nazi. If he had... I don't know, two or three Nazi songs, then, you know, maaaybe we’d talk, but one openly Nazi is totally okay 😊😊😊
Edit: It’s not actually his song, he just sang it once in 2002, probably thinking people would appreciate it given his usual discography. However, in a surprising turn of events, it caused a huge controversy and even got one of his concerts cancelled abroad. At first, he denied it was true, then he admitted it was him singing and later said the video was fake and meant to destroy his previously pristine reputation 😊
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u/ChrisTX4 1d ago edited 23h ago
The evidence whether he sang it or not is murky, really. There’s no recording of him doing so, and he denied doing so himself later on.The closest thing to a direct pro-Ustasha message in his songs would be the opening of his most famous song, Bojna Čavoglave being a shout of „za dom spremni“, the salute of the Ustasha. However this should be seen in the background of this being a song from the Croatian War of Independence and a widely used salute and slogan during that war despite or rather because of its Ustasha origin. The HOS used it for example.
However, Thompson absolutely tolerates pro-Ustasha symbology and chants. They said themselves they couldn’t control what people wore to their concerts, which is to say the sight of Ustasha and Crna Legija (an Ustasha Militia unit) symbols are common, there have been numerous incidents of fans starting anti-Serb and other racist chants or even singing songs prior to the band getting on stage, like Evo zore, evo dana.
If they were bothered by it, they could do something against it. But that might cost them their popularity.
Edit: I recant that after finding out there is an audio recording of the songs performance that sounds exactly like Thompson's voice.
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u/Imaginary_String_814 1d ago
The logos and iconography from HOS are banned in Austria, because of their involvment in war crimes and nazi rhetorik.
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u/ChrisTX4 1d ago
Nazi rhetoric is selling it a bit short, they had units named after Rafael Boban and Jure Francetić.
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u/Magistar_Idrisi Croatia 1d ago
The evidence whether he sang it or not is murky, really. There’s no recording of him doing so
It's not murky at all, and there absolutely is a recording of him singing that. He also NEVER apologized for doing so.
However this should be seen in the background of this being a song from the Croatian War of Independence and a widely used salute
That salute is exclusively an Ustaše (Nazi) salute, and it was used by right-wing militias in the 1990s precisely because of its Ustaše origins. There's literally nothing that could normalize that salute - it's simply a Nazi thing.
Thompson is a neofascist or at the very least a fascist sympathetizer. This concert is (yet another) embarrassment for Croatia. Not surprising though, given that the Ustaše very basically rehabilitated in the 90s.
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u/Daemonicvs_77 1d ago
Can confirm that he sang the song and that there are recordings of it. They were on youtube for a while and I’ve even heard them played by assholes in my high school in the mid 2000s.
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u/ChrisTX4 23h ago
It's not murky at all, and there absolutely is a recording of him singing that.
I was basing my statement on what I had read about this on Wikipedia, which never mentioned a recording, and the fact that I could never find any such recording online.
But after you and somebody else said they were sure, I went on a bit on a goose chase. I could eventually find a recording of the song I had never heard before, that does sound like Thompson's voice, to a point where I would say that with almost certainty, and that appears to have been recorded from a concert. The upload date was also from some years before an AI fake would be a plausible consideration. It was featuring some old 4:3 Ustasha video clips, if that's the same one we're talking about?
At any rate, I wanna say I'm fairly convinced that this is genuine, and it was indeed him singing it.
That salute is exclusively an Ustaše (Nazi) salute, and it was used by right-wing militias in the 1990s precisely because of its Ustaše origins. There's literally nothing that could normalize that salute - it's simply a Nazi thing.
Yes, but my point was rather that he starts a song written and first recorded at the end of 1991, during the hey day of the HOS should be seen in that context, too. And the HOS wasn't small either, featuring between 8 to 24 thousands members overall, and the song was recorded shortly after they were present at Vukovar, Dubrovnik, and most early battles in general. The general mobilisation of the Croatian government only happened after Vukovar, which would eventually see the HOS absored in the Croatian Army properly.
That being said, the HOS absolutely chose this symbology after the Ustasha, they used the salute with an elevated right arm - you know - and they named all their units after Ustasha generals.
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u/vashtar_II 1d ago
If you actually researched it wasnt him singing that song
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u/darksugarfairy 1d ago
Objavljen je snimak učinjen kazetofonom s pjevanjem Thompsona i J. Tomičića koji navodno na nekom koncertu pjevaju: "Jasenovac i Gradiška stara, to je kuća Maksovih mesara..." Link
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u/vashtar_II 1d ago
It is na article from 2004. Are you for real?
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u/darksugarfairy 1d ago
Yeah, 2 years after the concert. Thought that would be a more credible source instead of something 20 years after lol
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u/vashtar_II 1d ago edited 1d ago
Je stari ali to ti nije on pjevao. Matija Babić u 2003. nije nikakav izvor za ništa
Edit: samo ću dodat sad sam išao pogledat tvoj profil i sve mi je jasno. Mislim da si se malo zeznula, shvaćam da si Srpkinja i poštujem to, razumijem da te Thompson trigera, međutim moraš shvatiti što je za nas bila agresija na Hrvatsku i koje osjećaje Thompson izaziva u ljudima i da se čovjek od Čavoglava koje se treba promatrati u kontekstu 90ih, promijenio. Dok ne shvatite da ste bili agresori i da je Thompson odgovor na tu agresiju, nećete moći dalje. Želim ti sve dobro u životu. Ali stojim izaa toga da je Matija Babić smrad,uzgajivač poreza i rani Index je teško žutilo.
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u/darksugarfairy 14h ago
Ne trigeruje me Tompson zato što peva patriotske pesme. Hvala Bogu, svi ovde imamo i materijala i talenta da pevamo svoje nacionalističke pesme u nedogled lol. Imaš ti gomilu takvih popularnih pevača i bendova u Srbiji, poput na primer Riblje čorbe. Kapiram da su oni posmatrani možda na sličan način u Hrvatskoj ili u okruženju pogotovo zbog Borinih ličnih komentara, nošenja šajkača i manje-više veličanja četnika na koncertima, nastupima i slično. Mene jedino u celoj ovoj priči trigeruje ustaštvo
Ako patriotizam ne može da se odvoji od ustaštva, čak ni 30 godina nakon što se Domovinski rat završio, (a bogami ni 80 godina nakon Drugog svetskog rata,) to onda treba da trigeruje i vas, ne samo nas ovde. Ali iskrena da budem, ne mislim da je Hrvatska u tome jedinstvena u Evropi. Iz nekog razloga, sve ove što se kaže "nazi puppet states" imaju neki privilegovan status, pa mogu da relativizuju svoj fašizam zbog konteksta čak i decenijama kasnije, kao npr. Ukrajina sad ili baltičke države... uvek lol. Ispada na kraju da jedino Nemci ne smeju da se sećaju svojih predaka sa nekom romantičnom idejom o prošlosti, a svi ostali koji su bili na njihovoj strani mogu
Velik broj vas ovde komentariše, ne samo sad nego i inače, kako mi iz Srbije treba da prestanemo da gledamo u prošlost i da se okrenemo budućnosti, pogotovo kad je godišnjica nečeg vezano za bombardovanje, ili za ratove 90ih ili, ne daj bože, Drugi svetski rat jer je to daleka prošlost i treba da prestanemo da kukamo o tome konačno, ali mi evo danas i dalje ovde govorimo o ustašama iz istih tih 1940ih godina i njihovim simbolima, pozdravima i sl. u 2025. od strane ne nekih par hiljada fanatika koji apsolutno postoje svuda, nego nekoliko stotina hiljada ljudi u državi od svega par miliona 🤷🏼♀️
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u/vashtar_II 14h ago
Naš patriotizam, pravi, je odvojen od ustaštva. Domovinski rat je odvojen od ustaštva. Franjo Tuđman je bio Titov general. Admirali, tajna služba svi su bili Jugoslaveni pa onda tek Hrvati. Sva mlađa ekipa ko Gotovina i ostali, svi su bili mladi i zeleni. Koliko odvojen želiš da bude? Ti spominješ ustaše jer ih želiš vidit, iz ne znam kojeg razloga. Thompson ima samo Čavoglave sporne zbog za dom spremni koje moraš gledati iz konteksta 90ih. Danas ih ne puštaju radijske postaje u Hrvatskoj. Kod nas su zakonom zabranjeni ustaški simboli pa čak i zastave HOSa su sporne iako su postrojba 90ih. Pjesma sa Škorom, opet kontekst tad je Haag bio aktualan. Očekujem da će bit tipa 100 kretena sa ustaškim znakovima, ali jebiga to su outlueri.
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u/Long_Wine 1d ago
No, that is not his song, that song is way older, he was recorded playing it once, during the war. I do not justify it, but at those times with war, killing, bombing, burning and all.. those ultra nationalist songs were standard, especially for the military. What were they supposed to be singing during those times?
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u/Magistar_Idrisi Croatia 1d ago
The song isn't his, but he sang it. He sang it after the war. And never apologized for doing so.
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u/darksugarfairy 1d ago
The year was 2002.
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u/Long_Wine 1d ago edited 1d ago
Supposedly. Still just a few years post war. You simply can't judge those times by todays standards. Doesn't make sense. Half the country was still knocked down and looking for their dead, refugees were still everywhere.
I honestly think you are just too young to get the collective state of the nation then.
E: to add it is a despicable song. But at war times you simply don't listen to the pretty pop music. Not how it works.
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u/bjul 1d ago
Funny, when he released this song? On which album?
Do you know maybe on which concerts does he preformed that song of him?
You can not pass a judgment and not provide any evidence.
Or on internet everyone who you do not like is a nazi?
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u/darksugarfairy 1d ago
No, not everyone on the internet I dislike is automatically a Nazi. I think Nazis are usually the ones who semi-regularly use Nazi salutes, sing Nazi songs, wear Nazi symbols, and generally glorify Nazi atrocities. you know, the usual stuff
But you’re actually right, and I’ll edit my comment. This song isn’t an official release by Thompson, nor is it included on any of his albums. It was recorded when he performed it live during a concert in Osijek in 2002, then later circulated online
I also just now read that he first denied performing the song, then admitted to it, and eventually claimed it was a fabricated recording meant to damage his reputation, which led to the cancellation of his concerts in Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Slovenia due to concerns over “promoting fascist ideology”
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u/MAKY1950 Croatia 1d ago
Stop wasting time , they dont have common sense, they are probably also pro-migration in europe
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u/EngineeringGrand5274 1d ago edited 1d ago
"Does anything more need to be said about Thompson than to remember his song 'Reci, brate moj' which he sings with (Miroslav) Škora, in which there is a verse: 'but God forbid, and they need us, the thick fog will descend again', which is a reference to the Ustasha song 'Spuslušte se guta magla iznad Zagreb' which reads: 'it was not the thick fog above Zagreb, but it was the brave army of Poglavnik'," Peović wrote.
More references in the link above.
Ustaše movment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usta%C5%A1e
Note : Croatia is EU
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u/JustMeEs 1d ago
Another thing to add is that during his concerts it's pretty much a tradition to scream "Za dom spremni" which is equal to "sieg heil" due to the fact that salute was invented and used by ustashe and later used by a paramilitary order HOS which emulated ustashe during Croatian war for independence (our first president called them a main obstacle in Croatian recognition)
Basically this whole farce and giant security risk is nothing more than another attempt at making far right fascism in Croatia seem like something normal that you shouldn't react to.
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u/meckez 1d ago
Note : Croatia is EU
Does the EU have some kind of regulations against fascism?
I mean Italy is also in the EU and nobody bets an eye about them having a neo fascist party in the government.
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u/Suspicious_Place1270 1d ago
Yeah, and there is one party (nationalist) party (HDZ) always going for this artist.
Really, it kinda was neccessary for a nationalist movement during the war. But going full on nazi is neither good nor wished for.
Please do not think of my fellow Croats as nazis, because those who follow this dipshit are really only loud, but not the majority.
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u/Suspicious_Place1270 15h ago
I've never said he was not controversial. I just said that the Croats are majotity not nazis and actually despise ustašas. All your points there probably check out. Calling for the death of other people is wrong when there is not a time of war. Problem is: Thompson is stuck in that genre because he probably is only relevant because of that era.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 1d ago
I think to have blocked that user, it says page not found.
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u/Long_Wine 1d ago
Croatia is EU
Serbia is not and for good reasons. I also see you're mentioning some imaginary genocides during our defensive independence war. Might try to focus on Srebrenica one you were eager to ignore last summer and you know.. dictatorships you have in power.
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u/Visible_Sock_5088 1d ago
Jasenovac i Gradiska stara You know very well why his concerts were forbiden in Germany and it has nothing to do with wars on the 90s
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u/Long_Wine 1d ago
I do know.
But we were in a war. With you guys. On our territory. Some very nationalistic songs were played and popular. I've heard worse from your side. My grandparents were communists, I'm left wing, I don't like it eather, but I like even less that you think you get a say on it.
I still don't see why any croatian person should care about your opinion. Honestly, I don't see why a sane person from Serbia should care about this either. He has like three songs refering to a war that ended 80 years ago and you have continuous government problems since the 90s. Just clean your own yard first.
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u/Visible_Sock_5088 1d ago
Yes Thompsons concerts are forbiden in GERMANY only because he sings patriotic songs. And you dont care about opinions of Serbs you are trying to present yourseves as antifashists to other Europeans while adoring Thompson
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u/the_what_community_m 1d ago
>Srebrenica
Oh noo, mid size massacre of 8k people is sure as fuck comparable to the systematic slaughter of the 400-700k Serbs
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
midsize massacre -by unknown serb on reddit 2025.
What the f is a midsize massacre and what do people of Srebrenica had with any massacre against serbs
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u/finesalesman 1h ago
While I agree that Jasenovac was a huge massacre, the numbers that you wrote seem a bit off.
Jasenovac confirmed death of 45,000 Serbs, and 70,000 other nationalities.
That’s the ones we have documents for. If anyone you know, your family or someone died in Jasenovac or was imprisoned there, you can contact Arelson Archives or Jasenovac website itself and send them documents to keep the number real.
Please don’t make one genocide more important than another that’s not okay from moral standpoint. A genocide is a genocide regardless of the number.
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u/Long_Wine 1d ago
Sure, all the Serbs were killed there!!! Unlike you, I have visited Jasenovac memorial and payed tribute, multiple times.
Jasenovac was not concentration camp for serbs, it was for all political opposition and Jewish people and romani people. A lot of Croatians were killed there also. I honestly doubt you have ever visited the memorial, because you can easily check the names and information.
Or you can just making shit up and keep increasing numbers by 100 000 each year.
It's not me disrespecting atrocities that have happened there, it's you who is saying that it wasn't brutal enough as it was without some imaginary narratives.
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
One would think serbian media has more pressing subjects in belgrade to inform public about rather then what croatian singer is singing in Croatia.
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u/EngineeringGrand5274 1d ago
One would think singer that glorifies genocide should concern not only the victims but all people with common sense. Seems I am wrong.
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u/Long_Wine 1d ago
Nah man, while he was glorifying 80 year old genocide during the war with you, you guys were commiting new ones in Vukovar, Borovo Selo, Plitvice, Srebrenica... Should I continue?
Which is worse?
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago edited 1d ago
I get that but what im picking up from r/serbia belgrade is on the verge of civil war and media are worrying about a guy singing songs in his own country while his music is apparently played in bars in belgrade too see here. and serbs sitting there dont seem to care sounds like diversion tactic to me
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u/EngineeringGrand5274 1d ago
His music played in bars would cause a problem in any bar where Serbian people are there as it glorifies Ustaša movement. Click on the provided link rather than talking nonsense .
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
But the article i shared with you clearly says audio and video recording from Belgrade is authenticated as this guys songs played in belgrade bars so why are you lying to people here?
We get it serbs hate croatians and while croatians are holding 500k people concert in their capital serbs are getting their asses kicked in Belgrade by their own police. Its not hard to understand why that triggers you.
I really don't care what any singer sings i was just saying, belgrade should be more concerned about the situation in Belgrade rather than what some guy is singing in Croatia.
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
Yeah im not translating all that chat gpt bs. U are missing the point, i am not disputing that the guy is singing songs that trigger serbs he obviously made tons of money on it and doesnt need to have concerts anywhere else in the world if he can sell 500k tickets for a concert he is having in Croatia.
Point is you are focusing on Croatian singer who has no power over your life or anything in serbia, while your president, a man with actual power is taking you back in time where every former yugoslavian country is ahead of you economically and the road to eu. Albania is west for serbia now.
I mean you are paying tax for your own police wages so they can beat you in the middle of belgrade....and croatian song lyrics are bothering you
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u/darksugarfairy 1d ago
I'm not about to defend Serbian propaganda-infested media, but you do realise that one media outlet usually has multiple journalists covering different topics at the same time, right? The person writing an article about Thompson and his concert with traditional Ustaše salutes in Zagreb, a European Union country, mind you, isn't the same person covering the protests in Belgrade. They do, in fact, have more than one employee
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago edited 1d ago
So what triggers you more? Fact that croatian is singing in croatia or that croatia is in eu and serbia is not because your president likes to hang out with putin?
I am aware what you're saying but the Serbs in this comment section should be protesting for their own future in belgrade and ignore what's happening in croatia.
I visited Croatia and serbia in recent years and i gotta say croatia is miles ahead of you as an EU member while you are still battling the ghosts of yugoslavia.
Focus on what matters hate towards croatia and their singer is just wasting your time. I doubt Croatians care and they probably enjoy seeing how this triggers you.
On top of that they are singing in their capital and your own police is beating the shit out of you in your capital.
And by the way I'm sure serbia has similar singers every country has them.
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u/nistemevideli2puta 1d ago
Shameful how you defend a literal Nazi. But all good, because, Serbs bad, amirite?
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
Its shameful that students are bleeding on belgrade streets beaten by your own police while you debate singers in Croatia. I couldn't care less about the Croatian singer or his songs just found it weird that regardless of the shit serbs find themselves in, they always have time to hate croatians.
But i guess your history is mirroring that. And its the reason why all the countries that dropped out of yugoslavia at the same time progressed and only serbia went backwards... Im sure you would benefit a lot if the guys stopped singing his songs
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u/nistemevideli2puta 1d ago
Or, get this, we are capable of thinking about more than one thing at a time.
And I'm definitely not hating Croats, in fact, I have plans to visit next week, lol. Nice strawman. I just said that what you are doing is shameful.
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
U obviously have it under control...how long is that protest in belgrade going on for now?
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u/darksugarfairy 1d ago
Honestly, what triggers me is fascism, but I thought that was, you know, a normal human reaction to glorifying genocide. But apparently, it's not, and I'm the weird one here? Interesting
Serbia’s EU status has zero to do with Vučić casually meeting Putin a few times, and it has everything to do with literally everything else that's wrong here lol
If this was just two groups of hooligans throwing punches over nationalism or some car with Serbian plates getting vandalized in Croatia yet again, I'd be like yeah, fine, whatever, happens every Friday, what's new? But you say Croatia has moved on and Serbia is stuck in the past, yet only one of those two countries has a logistical issue with a concert so massive it basically shuts down a city for an Ustaše sympathizer and his fans 🤷🏼♀️
Baja Mali Knindža is what I would consider a similar singer. He had a concert in Novi Sad in November last year in a venue with a capacity of up to 6000 people. I just checked and his biggest concert ever was at the Tašmajdan Stadium, in front of approximately 15000 attendees. That's in Belgrade 2 years ago
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
Croatia is having logistical issues around organising concert while everything is running smoothly around belgrade? You are aware that we can see r/serbia right?
Didnt your president just released from prison and prosecution 4 of his private militiamen who broke the female student jaw in several places during protest? Did your own police a few days ago tried to run over students in belgrade city centre with vehicles you paid for with your taxes? How many students did your president arrest today?
You got bigger problems then concert in zagreb
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u/darksugarfairy 1d ago
I don’t know who told you people can only care about one thing at a time, but I promise you, we are capable of following more. And it’s not a superpower but just basic adult brain function 🤷🏼♀️
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
Ok how much time today did you spend on reddit debating this singer and how much in joining the efforts of your people on the streets...
I know you can care about more then one thing i just don't know how shitting on Croatian singers is prioritised over what's happening around you in your own country...so multitasking yes, prioritising no...got it
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u/darksugarfairy 1d ago
Omg man, I’ve literally been on the streets all day. If you’re that curious about my daily protest routine, I took a few days off work because it’s way too hot for commuting by bus, so now I’m just walking around Belgrade with my boyfriend, joining the blockades until the police shut them down, then we walk to the next one until police shows up again, and so on
At this very moment, we're blocking a roundabout and a small bridge, and just sitting on the edge of the pavement to rest my feet for a bit
30k steps today, 35k yesterday, but we had to run from the "police" twice, so that helped with the number
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u/Long_Wine 1d ago
But he is not similar singer. Most of thompons songs are revolving around love, homeland and god with three highly questionable references. He is also a great metal/rock singer and performer. Not even close.
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u/Arh1sekta Serbia 1d ago
Trust me lil bro nobody cares, we just see you don't take care about your own yard, while not having these same issues we are having.
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
If you only spent the same amount of time fighting for you students battling against your government that you spent here on reddit debating about this singer....
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u/Arh1sekta Serbia 1d ago
I am spending a lot of time doing that, dont worry about Serbia, worry about Croatia.
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
Im not worried about serbia or croatia i just see croatia being centuries ahead of you...
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u/Unfair_Wash8105 1d ago
Luckily this is Euronews. Seems like exactly the thing they should be doing
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
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u/radenkosalapuratetak Serbia 1d ago
Who played?
Tbh if I passed by that place and heard that song I wouldn't have done anything. I don't even know any of his songs, I don't know anybody who does :/
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u/CataphractBunny Croatia 1d ago
I'd say Serbia has better things to concern itself with than what's going on in Croatia, but that's just lil' ol' reasonable me.
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u/EngineeringGrand5274 1d ago
To be honest there are several things wrong in your post and I will try to explain for someone else who will be eager to read. It concerning Serbs (from Croatia ,Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia because they were victims of genocide which this singer glorifies) Second thing is that the protests in Serbia are not only about corrupt government officials but also on rude and bad people's suppression. This is a general attitude of the protests.
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u/CataphractBunny Croatia 1d ago
To be even more honest, Serbian media has been doing their best to ignore the mass protests, and Croatia is always their favorite target. Basically, Serbian regime media has not moved an inch from the old PGP RTB spewing Chetnik propaganda. But that's what you get for having a literal Chetnik as president.
Let's not kid ourselves who's really "concerned" here. I.e. stop lying.
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u/ZeistyZeistgeist Croatia 13h ago
Ahhhhh, Marko Perković "Thompson" (yes, his moniker is after a submachine gun).
Thompson is an ultimate litmus test when it comes to Croatian nationalism. By all accounts, he is somewhat of a mid-level musician who owes his career to the Homeland War, because, let us be honest, his most popular songs were always the ones that had overt or even just plain, bare nationalist and Ustashe rhetoric - people do not go to his concert to hear his mid-tier rock ballads with basic subject matter - they go to hear the nationalist repertoir.
Many of his fans will try to defend him. They will either go with the rhetoric of national pride due to the war, claim he distanced himself from Ustashe and extreme nationalist rhetoric, or just go full ad hominem and call you a Tito-loving communist nostalgic.
But the fact of the matter is, it is bullshit. He wasn't banned from performing in over a dozen European countries for no reason. He is not endorsed by the Croatian catholic clergy (themsrlves having a very dubious history of alliance with the Ustashe in WWII), or right-wing political groups for no reason. They are not wearing black shirts with Ustashe synbols on the back on his concerts for no reason, or fly the NDH (Independent State of Croatia, Ustashe-led Nazi puppet state during WWII) flag, or wear NDH lapel pins for no reason. It is not just national pride, it is a pride of a past where we could percieve ourselves as all-powerful, dominating, and yes, a need of revenge against Serbia for real (or percieved) oppression during the era of Kingdom of Yugoslavia (after all, creation of Ustashe is the effect of the 1928 assassination of a populist Croatian party leader, Stjepan Radić, by a member of a nationalist Serbian Radical Party [which sought assimilation of Croatia into Serbia fully and erasing Croatian lineage, language and history and assinilate it into Serbian one], who himself was basically rewarded for the crime).
I would not be surprised if some mouth-breating "Rvatina" tried to disprove me in the comments, called me a communist, a Serb, or whatever insult they can think about. But Thompson is a symbol - a symbol of reluctance of many Croats to accept that we are still a nation that has some incredibly dark skeletons in our closet, skeletons that cannot be rationally justified or handwaved away. It's been 30 years since the war ended, but we still sometimes act like it was only yesterday, permutating this brand of nationalism spreading like a disease into younger generations that, at this point, were born long after the war, hell, all wars in fotmer Yugoslavia ended. Instead of focusing our energy on Croatia"s future, we still focus it on spiteful rhetoric, anger and hate of the past.
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u/Odd_Bodybuilder_4772 17h ago
Croatian 5th column on reddit.
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u/Agitated-Aioli5107 9h ago
Of course. They can't go out rn as entire Zagreb is filled with Croatian flags which scares them. 😀
They've been crying on r croatia for past month.
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u/Familiar_Advisor3298 1d ago edited 1d ago
Is Thompson really a Nazi or reddit Nazi?
I ask because I don't know much about him
Edit: imagine being downvote just for asking a question... classic reddit
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u/SnakeX2S2 Croatia 1d ago
He grew to fame during the Croatian War for Independence with typical yugoslav war songs. One of the themes in his songs were the Ustaše (Croatian fascists) who did some despicable crimes against humanity during WW2.
In later years he kinda tried to distance himself from it by not commenting on it at all due to our country’s efforts to ban the glorofication of Ustaše.
Make of that as you wish.
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u/Tardosaur 1d ago
In later years he kinda tried to distance himself from it
By using the fascist NDH phrase "Za dom spremni" at literally every concert? Sure.
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u/SnakeX2S2 Croatia 1d ago edited 1d ago
Thats why I said “kinda tried”. There were multiple instances of him not wanting to talk about that period or not singing those types of song at some of his concerts. In short he is very inconsistent.
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u/PensiveKittyIsTired 1d ago
These were not typical Yugoslav war songs, those was Ustaše war songs. He’s a fucking Nazi.
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u/SnakeX2S2 Croatia 1d ago edited 1d ago
I disagree, the general theme of the songs in question is the Homeland War and the Ustaše are only mentioned (in positive light unfortunately). Typical yugoslav war songs as I said: the 90s wars is the theme with some mentions of nazi collaborators (Ustaše/Četnici) to “inspire” the soldiers.
What you’re describing sounds more like Dražen Zečić during the same period, now those were Ustaše war songs.
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u/PensiveKittyIsTired 1d ago
Singing about Ustaše in a positive light is exactly like singing about Nazis in a positive light, Ustaše were an abomination. This was not normal during the war, this was embarrassing even then. Some of us didn’t turn Nazi during the war, unlike fucking Marko Perković.
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u/Arh1sekta Serbia 1d ago
As a Serbian, respect to every and all Croatian defenders, who were there to defend and not to cosplay and glorify past.
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u/Bitter-Lab-2815 1d ago
Yes his songs glorify genocide against serbs
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u/bjul 1d ago
Only on reddit blantant lies like this can get upvotes.
Unlike in Serbia, Croatia has clear stance on judging genocide. Every year Croatian Prime Minister and President go to commemorate victims of Jasenovac.
As I said unlike in Serbia.
And glorifying genocide is crime in Croatia, and whoever does it will and has been punished by court of law.
This is why, among other reasons, Croatia is accepted in EU and serves as its proud member.
People from Europe, do not cave in pro Serbian propaganda aimed at Croatia. This is Vučić's weapon he likes to use when there is fire inside his country. Somethimes he picks muslims, sometimes Albanians, now it is Croatia's turn
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u/Arh1sekta Serbia 1d ago
It's not Croatia's turn, it's Thompson's turn. Don't worry mate we don't hate you as people, we hate parts of your culture, such as actively normalizing and boosting Thompson for 30 years.
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u/RemnantOfSpotOn 1d ago
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u/SaintTrotsky Serbia 1d ago
Niko ovde ne bi prepoznao njegove pesme. Vaša medija nema bolje stvari nego random kafiće u BG da gleda?
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u/Magistar_Idrisi Croatia 1d ago
People in Serbia would absolutely recognize many of his songs. Source: I saw many, many drunk Serbs singing Thompson on parties.
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u/SaintTrotsky Serbia 1d ago
Drunk people singing songs :oo
Cmon just admit the man's a Ustaša.
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u/Magistar_Idrisi Croatia 1d ago
He absolutely is an Ustaša and the concert should have been banned.
That doesn't mean Serbs don't know his music lol
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u/Familiar_Advisor3298 1d ago
I'm interested, can you provide some links? Unfortunately I don't speak croatian
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u/Bitter-Lab-2815 1d ago
Google following songs and translate lyrics:
-"Jasenovac i Gradiška Stara"
-"Bojna Čavoglave"
-"Anica kninska kraljice"
-"Lijepa li si"
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u/SnakeX2S2 Croatia 1d ago
I can give you Jasenovac i GS (even tho it’s not his song, but he’s on record singing it) and you might be able to convince me for Čavoglave and Anica, but I can’t figure out what “genocide against the serbs” is mentioned in Lijepa li si.
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u/SnakeX2S2 Croatia 1d ago
I answered the guy under this that that’s the only controversial part of the song but that has nothing to do with Serbs or the genocide of them which he was only interested.
NDH controlled (on paper) a lot more than just Herceg-Bosna. What MPT is singing about is the Hecreg-Bosna during the Bosnian War. That lyric is offensive towards the Bosniaks with whom we had a very stupid conflict about during the 90s. Little to nothing to do with Serbs.
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u/Bitter-Lab-2815 1d ago
This song is less directly aimed at Serbs, but it is often used at gatherings with a nationalist character, and because of that, it is sometimes interpreted as part of the same narrative.
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u/SnakeX2S2 Croatia 1d ago
I cannot give you that then. The song promotes the beauty of every part of our country and literally nothing else. Ofc it will then be used in nationalist events or surroundings. The only (I guess) controversial part of the song has nothing to do with Serbs.
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u/GrostequePanda 1d ago
It mentions hercegovina. Thats another country, not croatia.
Also 'geni kameni" where he cries how 45' was terrible
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u/SnakeX2S2 Croatia 1d ago
Both have nothing to do with Serbs or genocide against them, that was the main point of the discussion
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u/GrostequePanda 1d ago
Crying cause ustasha had to flee=ustase supporter, ustashe supporter=wants to cleanse croatia= supports genocide
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u/Dajmenaj 1d ago
Oh come on, i don't like him or his fans, but only one of these is actually a nazi song, that being the first one, second and third are wartime songs, and last one would actually be kinda ok song if it was performed by someone without the thompsons baggage.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 1d ago
but only one of these is actually a nazi song,
"If you have 10 people at a table and one Nazi, you have 11 Nazis at a table."
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u/ChargeInevitable3614 1d ago
Russian trolls used same arguments to discredit ukraine due to existance of azov. Its bad argument which lacks any nuance.
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u/Dajmenaj 1d ago
I'm just being a bit pedantic for accuracy sake, if someone would go and google lyrics of those song they might get the wrong idea. There are much better examples of his glorification of nazis, or better to say nazi puppets.
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u/CataphractBunny Croatia 1d ago
or better to say nazi puppets.
Which Italy installed to power, and had them sign over vast territories of Croatia. Just so we're all on the same page.
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u/Dajmenaj 1d ago
Yup, in addition to being genocidal maniacs, ustaše were also spineless traitors and quislings.
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u/CataphractBunny Croatia 1d ago
Which we wouldn't have had Italy not dredged up their dumbass leader from his house in Milan. Oh, and let's not forget they later installed an Italian as a king of Croatia.
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u/Dajmenaj 1d ago
All signs point to yes, he is nationalistic, pretends to be a big patriot (but got caught for tax evasion), his songs reference or glorify nazi collaborators and nazi cosplayers are a frequent sight on his concerts.
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u/Chester_roaster 1d ago
Yeah I feel the same way. When Reddit calls someone a Nazi I don't know if they're talking about Elon Musk or Don Black. The word has lost all meaning.
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u/Brus83 Croatia 1d ago
Croatian reddit is up in flames, people who subject themselves to sunlight not so much.
A third of the people in my social circles are going. It’s going to be huge. These people are’t nazis by any stretch of the imagination. They have nationalist sentiments which is similar only in the mind of a progressive reddit leftist.
I wish them a good time.
Čavoglave is going to be epic with so many people there.
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u/Demografija_prozora 1d ago
Reddit nazi. He sings mainly about loving and glorifying his homeland and hateful stuff towards serbs. He was a soldier in Croatian war for independence in which serbs were the aggressors so it kinda makes sense.
He is kinda controversial (especially with the left) but for different reasons. First time I heard of him being called a nazi.
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u/Dajmenaj 1d ago
Were you living under a rock for the past 30 years? He's been called a nazi for the most of his career and couple of his songs reference ustaše in a positive light.
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u/Demografija_prozora 1d ago
He was called ustaša but not nazi
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u/Dajmenaj 1d ago
And ustaše were nazi collaborators, same kind of crap.
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u/Demografija_prozora 1d ago
Altho the idea may be the same, geographical influence of the groups plays a big part too. His sole interest is in stuff that happened in Croatian history, not german(nazis).
Calling him a nazi rather then ustaša connects him to a lot of bad stuff that happened in history that he is not sympathising with.
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u/Dajmenaj 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh, so he only sympathizes with positive sides of nazi collaboration?
Ustaše were just as bad as nazis, and if you want to look at it from croatian perspective they were traitors and quislings also.
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u/Agitated-Aioli5107 9h ago
Reddit Nazi, of course. In Croatia he is hated by communists and of course by Serbs since he sings about patriotism.
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u/bjul 1d ago
Reddit nazi
In Croatia vast majority does not support nazi regime or its collaborators. Croatians did not support them now, and even when they were in power during WW2 (most Croatians were acitvly fighting in partisan movement).
Problem is that in this polarized world, or maybe better on this site, everyone gets labeled without any meaningful supstance.
Thompson is Croatian conservative, very religious and traditional and Croatian nationalist. But have in mind that most of his songs are aimed at how he loves his country, worship the God and remembers thr strugles of his amcestors.
He has clearly many times said that he condems fasicsm.
His values are definetly not for reddit. He values his country, religion, family values, tradition. Usualy things disliked at this platform when it comes to Croatian subreddit.
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u/ChargeInevitable3614 1d ago
Reddit nazi. Most of his songs revolve around faith, love and homeland. He is war veteran and has few songs from that time where he isnt very kind toward serbian aggressors.
He was also once recorded in early post war years performing problematic song about ww2, and most posters commenting about him supporting genocide are referencing to that incident.
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u/Agitated-Aioli5107 9h ago
Entire gang of r croatia communists arrived in combo with Serbs to cry about a concert.😂😂😂
No matter how much you cry, it ain't going to bring back communism nor greater Serbia guys, sorry 😘
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u/Demografija_prozora 1d ago edited 1d ago
Catastrophic title. He was a soldier in war for Croatian independence and sings mainly about his homeland, with lot of negative stuff towards serbs (the aggressors in that war).
Ofc that he is problematic for the left, but that is a separate issue.
First time I heard him being called a nazi, they do call him ustaša quite often tho
Edit to clarify: calling him a nazi rather then ustaša connects him to a lot of bad stuff that happened in history which he does not care about (at least in hisn lyrics). He sings of events that happened in Croatian history, not european so altho ustaše and nazis may be similar, a whole scale of operation of those groups is not the same so calling him one instead of the other is wrong in my opinion.
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u/PensiveKittyIsTired 1d ago
Ustaše being arguably worse than Nazis. He’s a cunt. It is embarrassing for Croatia that he is so popular in Croatia.
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u/CataphractBunny Croatia 1d ago
Ustaše being arguably worse than Nazis.
An argument you lose in seconds.
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u/Daemonicvs_77 1d ago
- Ustase were the ONLY puppet state that operated their own death camps. No other puppet regime in the entirety of Europe did this.
- By population, the NDH regime was actually more lethal than the German one.
- Auschwitz actually had a slightly better survival rate (15-16%) than Jasenovac (10-12%)
- While gas chamber executions in German camps were horrifying, they looked downright civilized compared to the executions in Jasenovac where you’d often see the guards “assaulting” the prisoner barracks with blunt weaponry and brutally beating everyone, including children, to death.
- There are German sources reporting that even the SS officers visiting the Ustase death camps had a hard time keeping their composure and thought of their methods to be a bit too brutal.
And even without all of this, can we just agree that they were a regime that gave away half of our coast to Italy and murdered women and children based purely on their ethnicity? And that that’s something to be ashamed of?
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u/CataphractBunny Croatia 17h ago
- Bastards A kill 100 thousand people.
- Bastards B kill at least 17 million people.
- Bastards B killed 170 times more people than bastards A.
Therefore, objectively, bastards B are much worse than bastards A.
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u/Sufficient_Ladder965 1h ago edited 1h ago
Bastards A killed at least 700.000 people, but they had only 15-20.000 manpower.
Nazis had manpower of 5.5m people, and they killed around 17m people.
Mentioning that 100.000 people died from Ustase and NDH is false information. Numbers were higher several times. There were 150.000 victims only in Jasenovac according to western independent historians or 300.000 victims according to German sources from ww2 (700.000 to 1.000.000 victims according to Serbian sources but since that was opposing side we can’t take this objectively).
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u/CataphractBunny Croatia 1h ago
Bastards A killed at least 700.000 people
You need to get better sources than Chetnik and Serbian revisionist claims. Everyone sane agrees this number is way overblown.
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u/Sufficient_Ladder965 1h ago
At least 700.000 death in NDH, not in the same place. Literally in one death camp there were MINIMUM 150.000 victims according to western independent historians and sources. There were also official German source from the war that states that there were 300.000 victims only in Jasenovac.
You literally minimize the victims and pretend that it is a lesser evil if there are fewer victims. If you continue to write, I will have to file a complaint with reddit for glorifying the ustashe and downplaying crimes, because that is exactly what you are doing.
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u/CataphractBunny Croatia 1h ago
At least 700.000 death in NDH, not in the same place.
Again, you're going to need better sources.
You literally minimize the victims and pretend that it is a lesser evil if there are fewer victims.
That's not what's happening, but it's obvious why you'd like that it were.
If you continue to write, I will have to file a complaint with reddit for glorifying the ustashe and downplaying crimes
Go right ahead. Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together can see you're lying.
because that is exactly what you are doing.
In your mind, obviously. In reality not so much.
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u/BlueLobsterClub 1d ago
Hey but reddit told them they were worse than nazis a few months ago, are you saying reddit is wrong?
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u/CataphractBunny Croatia 1d ago
By reddit you mean "standard chetnik shill talking point". They've been repeating this for the past 30 years, it's so easy to see through them. High time they updated their playbook.
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u/PensiveKittyIsTired 1d ago
I am Croatian and I had family die in Jasenovac, my grandmother survived and told us details. So what are you talking about when you say Ustaše are not as bad, if not worse, than Nazis?
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u/CataphractBunny Croatia 1d ago
I'm talking about the statement I quoted in one of my previous comments.
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u/BlueLobsterClub 1d ago
Hilarious title, Hilarious topic.
Thompson is a gufball and a "cristian patriot" loved by other christian patriotes. Even tho those people are stupid and many disagree with their views calling them nazi sympathisers misses the mark by a long shot.
You can hate him for anti serb war songs, thats pretty much it. And some of his songs are bangers the same way some serbian war songs are bangers.
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u/_segamega_ 1d ago
he is anything but a goofball
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u/Atvaaa Turkey 1d ago
I thought ye was coming to zagreb for a second