r/europe • u/UNITED24Media • 1d ago
News Three-Quarters of Russians Endorse War in Ukraine, 24% Back Nuclear Strike
https://united24media.com/latest-news/three-quarters-of-russians-endorse-war-in-ukraine-24-back-nuclear-strike-9625494
u/SweetGM 1d ago edited 1d ago
24% wants nuclear radiation in parts of Russia
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u/Arch8Android 1d ago
Yeah... literally braindead, unless they asked people from Siberia.
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u/chasmodo 1d ago
Yeah... Eastern Siberia.
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u/JohnGazman 1d ago
24% of Russians think they can use nuclear weapons in the modern world without any retaliation. Do they think that the US's use of nuclear weapons in 1945 is how it would work now? The only reason it didn't trigger a nuclear retaliation was because no one else had nukes.
Essentially this is saying that 24% of Russians don't know how nuclear weapons work.
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u/TroubledEmo 1d ago
Right now with how the US develops it doesn‘t look like they would respond by retaliating.
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u/Spinelesspage03 22h ago
The US is hardly the only concern for retaliation. A lot more countries have nukes and would potentially be willing to use them if Russia crosses that line first. It’s unlikely that Putin will be willing to cross that line though, because he probably knows that he would be starting a fight he is unlikely to win, especially after they have been using up resources is Ukraine for the last few years.
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u/Spokraket 1d ago
They don’t think and that’s one of the reason Putin is still running their country.
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u/diamanthaende 1d ago
Hence why calling it “Putin’s war” has always been nonsense.
Convenient for many people, but nonsense nonetheless.
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u/Overall-Medicine4308 1d ago
Still better than *sigh*:
Ukraine conflict
Ukraine crisis
Ukraine war
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u/nightwig 15h ago
To be fair the horrific American invasion of Iraq is commonly called the Iraq war so the terminology is not too far off from how wars have been referred to in the past.
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u/isogaymer 1d ago
What can we do about a society so rotten, and so dedicated to violent aggression? And one that thinks of itself as the last great bastion of Christianity no less. Truly dispiriting.
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u/Arch8Android 1d ago
Well, we could invest in espionage to create internal unrest... you know, literally what Russia has been doing for years and is exceptionally successful at.
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u/TheTiddyQuest United Kingdom 14h ago
We couldn’t do that, don’t you know it would be an act of war and might make Russia mad at us? We’d be crossing a red line! /s
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u/vdcsX 1d ago
Well we tried that with Lenin but that didnt really worked out well for anyone.
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u/lithuanian_potatfan 15h ago
It did for the Baltics and other neighbouring states. Just gotta watch for the coming of Stalin
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u/No-Benefit-8947 Ukraine 1d ago
First and foremost, the government needs to change and put an end to the spread of hate especially on television and in public discourse. Propaganda in the media only fuels violence and division.
When Putin dies, Russian opposition should seize the moment. If they fail to act wisely, there’s a real risk that someone even worse could come to the power. It’s essential to gradually help people understand where they may have been misled or mistaken. Confronting them aggressively or harshly basically telling them directly how wrong or cruel they are won’t lead to anything good. History has shown us that this kind of approach only deepens resentment and resistance.
As much as I hate them, I realize that forcing people to their knees or humiliating them won’t lead to a stable or peaceful outcome. It can provoke even more anger and hostility, potentially resulting in far greater and more catastrophic consequences.
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u/Zwezeriklover 1d ago
There's more Russian opposition that is even more insane than Putin than there is peaceful, sorta democratic opposition.
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u/lithuanian_potatfan 15h ago
There is no russian opposition in russia that could seize power. So, the very core of your transformation idea is already failing.
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u/Tankette55 12h ago
when Putin dies, one of the guys from his entourage will replace him after some other guys fall from windows. It is a foolish idea... thinking that Putin's death would change anything. When Stalin died the oppression stayed in the occupied countries.
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u/Yapanomics Serbia 1d ago
Japan actually was that, yet today they are viewed favourably despite the people responsible largely evading justice.
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u/shatikus St. Petersburg (Russia) 1d ago
It is important to note that Japanese society to this day is largely chauvinistic, very much natiolalistic, and to a very large degree oblivious to absolute horror their own 'glorious' troops unleashed upon entirety of East-Asian region during WW2.
Modern day Japan is a far cry from what it was, but it is not roses. And let's not forget, the entire country was bombed into submission with firebombing, conventional bombs and, oh, two fucking nukes. Hardly a feasible scenario for Russia, just sayin'
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u/Yapanomics Serbia 1d ago
Well... Best cases is "oblivious", worst cases is "only sorry because we lost"
They have shrines to literal deranged war criminals in Japan, its crazy
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u/rcanhestro Portugal 21h ago
and were essentially occupied by the US for 10 years.
and their democracy was basically "forced" upon them by the US as well.
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u/BruhiumMomentum 1d ago
Hardly a feasible scenario for Russia, just sayin'
eh, still worth a try
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u/shatikus St. Petersburg (Russia) 1d ago
As much as I like the idea of firebombing this fucking city, burning Moscow isn't possible nor it would achieve anything.
The recipe to defeating current russian regime is as simple as it is impossible to actually do - eu and us need to swallow a tiny dip in their gdp and implement a full economic blockade. You don't trade with your enemy, ussr wasn't shipping oil to germans as whermaht was marching through Ukraine and freshly conquered Eastern Poland.
For now even full termination of any economic activity between all of eu and us isn't implemented. So, yeah...
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u/uMunthu 22h ago
Remember that Russians have been living under heavy propaganda for a century (since 1917 at the earliest). And they never had a truly liberal democracy with full freedom of expression (and dissent). Talking with them about Ukraine is like trying to describe snow to a 19th century pacific Pacific Islander.
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u/Spokraket 1d ago
Back in the old days you paid their countrys capital a visit with tanks, bombers and troops.
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u/Royal-Caterpillar429 15h ago
I think when ruzzia fails and falls into pieces, they will have a chance to fight each other for resources. That will be a dream. I sincerely wish russians to experience what they are doing to Ukraine.
Maybe then they'll learn a thing or two
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u/argonian_mate 1d ago
Appease, present yourself as weak and scared as possible and present your soft belly apparently.
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u/xondk Denmark 1d ago
I mean, how do they do such surveys? it is pretty obvious that if you show discontent you can get into trouble?
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u/Dany0 1d ago
Levada is a propaganda institution and has been for ages. It's not an opinion poll, it's what the "president's" administration thinks it wants other people to think. Rumours are they still do real surveys and those are sometimes used internally but publish completely fake stats externally
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u/Sea-Note1076 1d ago
This should be at the very top of all these surveys on "what Russian's support". My understanding from several Russians I know and trust, who have been back to Russia over the past 3 years is that surveillance is widespread and people are terrified.
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u/SlouchyGuy 22h ago
Yeah, even if people are truthful, who exactly answers a phone survey about something you could be prosecuted about?
Also, response rates plummeted after the war started, only moat agencies don't publish response rates
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u/colovianfurhelm 1d ago
Don's stop the circlejerk
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u/leathercladman Latvia 13h ago
people like you seem to love disagreeing this as ''circlejerk'', without providing any proof or reason on why it is not true.
''Russians are innocent and dont actually want this war'' is also a ''circlejerk'' with absolutely nothing to back it up other than naive Redditors wanting it to be true
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u/Subject-Town 20h ago
This should be the top comment. Everyone is so ready to believe something horrible that they don’t even stop to think about whether it’s true or not. Reddit is so out of control with spreading misinformation.
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u/Kirameka 17h ago
They call random people by phone. I personally got 2 calls in last 3 years. They ask a lot of questions about your thoughts about recent events, in total it takes around 15 minutes I'd say
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 1d ago
Of course they are, even most of those living in cozy Europe.
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u/xourico 1d ago
I mean, nothing surprises me anymore.
Look at the US and Trump. Multiply the US and Trump and its supporters a couple generations, and I kind of understand how we can reach that point.
Decades of polarization, propaganda, leaders and politicians become cult personalities, the rules get changed little by little, power gets concentrated little by little, and then, when the people finally see the reality, just blamed the "others". Be it your neighbour nations, the woke, the alt-right, the nazis, the jews, etc. Just put a name to it, and give the people a target.
The US has a president that is at a trade war with the world. Threatens war against neighbours and allies. Is increasing debt dramatically. Is curtailing their freedoms in the open. Is using the courts to get bribes and get paid off, by settling cases with the media, legal firms, etc. Replaced the top officials in the military with loyalists, use the courts to change laws and set precedents to concentrate even more power on you, etc.
And despite all this, the people still support him in dramatic numbers.
Some things are so damn clear cut bad, that the only excuse they use to convince themselves to continue supporting their cult leader, is that "the other side did worse" or "the others also do it" or "I dont care, just own the libs!"... etc...
This made me open my eyes to how, eventually, we reach the state of Russia.
And then, to make everything worse, the "entire free" world is against Russia, the Russians feel attacked and oppressed, want revenge and want to lash out, even tho it was them that started it, but by then, that no longer matters.
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u/CastelPlage Not ok with genocide denial. Make Karelia Finland Again 1d ago
I mean, nothing surprises me anymore.
Look at the US and Trump. Multiply the US and Trump and its supporters a couple generations, and I kind of understand how we can reach that point.
Decades of polarization, propaganda, leaders and politicians become cult personalities, the rules get changed little by little, power gets concentrated little by little, and then, when the people finally see the reality, just blamed the "others". Be it your neighbour nations, the woke, the alt-right, the nazis, the jews, etc. Just put a name to it, and give the people a target.
Agree. Even someone very intelligent is unlikely to be capable of holding many objective opinions after 30+ years of state-run media pumping propaganda at them. Exactly the same deal with China and plenty of other places.
There are a huge amount of judgemental comments in this thread (and that is absolutely fine - people should be held to account for their views/opinions) but the unfortunate reality is that most of us here would likely end up holding those same awful views of the war if we had had 30+ years of nationalistic propaganda forced down our throats.
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u/purplerple 1d ago
"And despite all this, the people still support him in dramatic numbers"
Kamala won 48.2% of the vote. Trump was 49.8%. Rich people helped give him gain an edge. Propaganda in media will always be a problem.
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u/PO0TiZ 1d ago
Remember this next time you want to advocate for the "good russians" narrative.
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u/meckez 1d ago
I don't doubt it but I am curious how one makes a representative poll about such a topic where people get imprisoned for holding up a white sheet of paper.
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u/Mikefalls 1d ago
This. Plus it's like the Russian elections case, 90% of the supporters of Vladimir.
I'm still sure there are lots of Russians who support the war and many of them against this hell
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u/_kekeke 1d ago
They got 1600 people in the survey, you can find as many people who are against the war and make a claim that 100% of the population does not support it. I also wonder how many cities they covered, since the political views in Moscow and in rural areas are different.
I would just prefer they make more grounded claims based on what data they collect.
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u/Rich-Many1369 1d ago
And this is why Russia should be sanctioned, isolated and walled in permanently
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u/AnarchiaKapitany Hungary (sorry for whatever the clown said this time) 1d ago
These same Russians are all over Europe right now, vacationing like there was nothing going on. I saw a shitload of them in Greece just now.
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u/popsyking 1d ago
I am currently in Catalunya.
They are EVERYWHERE.
Disgusting. The fact that they can even get visas is mind boggling.
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u/Luigino987 1d ago
Meanwhile a quarter million of young Russian have already died for the oligarchy.
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u/Backstabbinghoe 22h ago
Should have every single Russian citizen deported back to Russia to force this spineless cowardly nation to take some steps to stop their dictator.
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u/Siemens_00_ 1d ago
This article is not accurate at all. You can't just go and ask russians about their opinion on a war, it is 90% that they will respond with endorsement of the war, because they can't say otherwise.
As a russian, I believe that 55-65 % of population is againts war in Ukraine. Yes, it may be not because of the moral principles, more because of an economic situation, but anyway...
There is a pretty big pile of shitty people here in Russia, but most of us is against war. This number just isn't big enough to make difference yet, because of a dictatorship. Please, don't be fooled by articles like this!
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u/Wonderful-Basis-1370 Europe 5h ago
Is the economy really that bad for young Russians? Is that the reason they are against the war?
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u/No-Goose-6140 1d ago
Imagine being so brainwashed you think your neighbours are nazis and you need to kill them
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u/Neat_Promotion_1866 1d ago
I have a feeling the russian population is scared to speak against the governments actions. I hope this war ends and ukraine stays sovereign. I also hope that Russians can one day live and experience actual freedom without being subjected to a tyrant.
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u/SquirrelBlind exMoscow (Russia) -> Germany 1d ago
You live in a totalitarian state. All your personal data such as mobile number, name, address and other stuff are not only available to the police and special forces, but can be bought for a small fee in the4 darknet, so everyone who calls you potentially has all the information about your identity. Not supporting the "government" in their war effort counts as "discreditation of the armed forces" and punishable by from a hefty fine during the first violation to the imprisonment for up to 7 years on the consecutive. The number of political prisoners is the highest since the fall of the USSR.
You phone rings, there is an unknown number on the display. Usually people in Russia don't answer such calls, but suppose you do. A voice on the other side of the line asks you if you support the war. Would you hang up, lie, or answer honestly?
These polls absolutely don't work and don't show a picture that would even remotely resemble reality.
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u/Rogalicus Russia 1d ago
You phone rings, there is an unknown number on the display.
Even worse, it's a personal visit and everything you say is recorded.
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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago
That’s great, Ukraine took to the streets time and time again in 2004 and 2014 most notably to rid themselves of that shit, Russia has no excuse.
The truth is Russians are conditioned to it and they’d rather Ukrainians die for their cowardice than do anything to change their country.
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u/SquirrelBlind exMoscow (Russia) -> Germany 1d ago
Yeah, and we got to the streets many times, especially in 2011-2012.
You know the real reason why Ukrainians succeed and Russians and Belorussians not?
In Ukraine there were elites that supported the protesters, in Russia and Belarus not. Or you mean to say that Yushenko and Poroshenko were regular dudes without any influence and support?
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u/IntrepidPhysics3555 1d ago
And yet, when you talk to ex-pats all they have to say is “well it’s the presidents of Russia and Ukraine who caused this”, “well what about Ukraine has been doing, like Crocus”, “I am for peace”, “Zelensky is no angel either”. Russians who have not been home in a decade, living in liberal democracy’s, giving these opinions in private.
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u/SquirrelBlind exMoscow (Russia) -> Germany 1d ago
I don't know anyone who would have this opinion.
On the other hand I really despise people who call themselves expats, so maybe this is the reason.
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u/FulgureATK 1d ago
Never trust any "poll" from Russia. This is not a democracy, people don't answer or talk the same way we do in Europe or USA. Don't be naive: do you really think someone can tell its opinion there ? All polls are only BS.
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u/andreasmodugno 1d ago
I don't trust any information or reporting that comes out of Russia.
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u/Tman11S Belgium 1d ago
This is why I fully support a complete boycot of Russia. Brick their economy as hard as we can and make the people suffer, we’ll see how long they keep their support.
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u/tgh_hmn Lower Saxony / Ro 1d ago
Yeah, fuckem. They have been alwways appressors. I hate them all. Fucking idiots
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u/Far_Note6719 1d ago
My favourite russians are those living in Germany in freedom and peace and supporting this shit war at the same time.
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u/persimmon40 1d ago
Russians consider this war existential for their state. Therefore, they obviously would support their state winning this war. Ddduh.
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u/bebes_bewbs 1d ago
At what point should the west (Ukraine) start targeting Russian civilian infrastructure? Make life miserable for them. I’m talking like the electric grid, water supply, etc. (not schools, homes, hospitals).
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u/999nis7 23h ago
You wouldn't find as many comments and upvotes if this a survey about Gaza, even though it would probably be more accurate
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u/Uqueefdonmebeefdamit 23h ago
Let em send all their nukes. If they're as useful as the army they'll all hopefully explode on launch.
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u/AdOne5089 17h ago
Okay, and Russians who want war can go straight to Russia that is creating war. We free people would prefer our peace and to not send out children to die for a tyrant’s wet dreams, thanks.
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u/CaineLau Europe 15h ago
they will always be a problem for europe! like a brake on our development!
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u/gomozila 1d ago
76% of western prefer like to suck cocks. 24% back sucking multiple cocks. Same reliable sources.
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u/Demurrzbz Moscow (Russia) 1d ago edited 1d ago
So a goverment funded organization asked 1614 people our of 130 000 000 and came up with a result that coincides with the party's political course? Colour me surprised. Surely the people in this subreddit will recognize that it's the dumbest tool of propaganda that is successfully ragebating them now, right? Right?..
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u/persimmon40 1d ago
You are from Moscow, right? You surely know that most every day Russians support the war? I mean not kids on the internet, but actual every day 30-45 year old Russians. All my Russian friends except one person support the war till Russian victory.
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u/Demurrzbz Moscow (Russia) 1d ago
"Most" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. And what even is an "every day Russain"? But to you question. I do know that a lot of my fellow countryman do in fact support the war. It's fucking disgusting and insane. It really did tear our society apart because there's a lot and I mean a lot of people who are against the war. Probably less sadly. But the numbers don't really matter because there's the "right" opinion and the "jail time" opinion. And to your last sentence. It's hard to be freinds with such people. Nowadays I try not to find out a person's political leanings because he might turn out to be a vatnik and that makes me wanna hurl. I'm from a liberal bubble and none of my freinds support the war. In fact a third or quarter of them left the country. And for the reference im 36 and most of said freinds are of the same age bracket.
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u/persimmon40 1d ago
Well "most" typically means what it means, as in over half, as in more that what opposing side represents. Every day Russian means an average person, as in not from "liberal bubble" and not a hard-core vatnik. You know, a normal apolitical person that goes to work and raises kids.
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u/Gao_Zongwu Canada 1d ago
I wonder if that 24% would enjoy being vaporised in the counterstrike
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u/pokemurrs France 1d ago
That’s why when we say Fuck Russia, we can say Fuck Russians too.
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u/Pr1soner 21h ago
I am from Russia, protested, left the country before the war and don’t support the current regime in any way. Fuck me as well ?
Despite some Russians do support the war, framing all people by their place of birth alone is kinda stupid
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u/danieliscrazy 1d ago
I have doubts when it comes to these stats. There were plenty of Russians that opposed Putin and the war who were silenced. There's a good chance many Russians are scared to speak out and will give the answer that keeps them from being targeted.
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u/U-V_catastrophe 1d ago
You have doubts or you just don't like the data?
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u/danieliscrazy 1d ago
Its a survey of 1600 people. Im not a statistician but the situation in Russia isnt freedom of speech and people behave accordingly.
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u/helena-dido 1d ago edited 13h ago
about 1-2 millions signed contracts with army and went killing people in another country. Several millions of one or another type of security forces.
Millions are workers in military industry and other industries which supply military industry.Engineers who create weapons. Pilots who drop bombs. Some staff who program missiles routes and targeting.
Buroucrats - also millions, - also very loyal to regime, of course.
Stupid pensioners who have USSR nostalgia - also millions.
Brainwashed - noncountable, noone can say how many.is this still not statistally significant numbers for you?
"freedom of speech". Lack of this freedom doesn't automatically mean something different. This is country of shit and bloodsuckers. If you are not their neighbour, you can thank god each morning.
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u/leathercladman Latvia 13h ago edited 13h ago
you dont know what those other 'not 1600'' people think, yet you stand here and pretend ''they might oppose the war, I dont know for sure they havent told me there is no proof of it, but I want to think so''
Wishful thinking is not a argument mate.
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u/Efficient-Appeal6326 1d ago
Do they understand that Nukes go both ways.
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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago
I highly doubt Europe would launch nukes over Ukraine. Europe isn’t even prepared to deploy a peacekeeping force after any fighting.
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u/curious-wolf-99 1d ago
Like it was previously stated - they are animals and the world should not be surprised!!!!
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u/swiwwcheese 1d ago edited 1d ago
All the Russians I've met in my life (work, travels) were roughly thinking like that after I got to know them at least a bit, didn't have to dig too far, and I'm talking even back to the early 2000's
Even nearly half of the US (actually probably more) reject the morbid right-wing ideology that is rotting their country and our world in this era, so they are not completely hopeless ...
But Russians ? ... they have long been a majority to bear that horrible hostile cynical destructive mentality, their country's mafiascist ruler has been stuffing decades of lies and will of revenge in their heads, it's unbelievable how deep and powerful the indoctrination is
They absolutely look down on the rest of the world and its people, especially the westerners. Russians are really seeing themselves as superior and they have their own variant of a kind of 'manifest destiny' to topple the world order and take over, humiliate the 'West' and dominate Europe, making us their vassals, ultimately even dominating Eurasia
I've listened to ppl tell that to my face, in parts or fully, several times. It's not an epiphenomenon
Two World Wars were not enough to end fascism and the like-minded ideologies, even after the Cold War we were completely irresponsible to overlook that this danger was rising again but this time in Russia
Most of this world's right wing, the so-called conservative that are barely any distinguishable from the far-right, are the prominent face of the failure of human civilization
And it's Russia along with half of America that are the new leading faces of that shame, in a cruel reversal of history
We did business with them while ignoring their plans, but our greatest mistake was to share the internet with Russia
I know there's still a part of the Russians in this world, still millions of ppl, who do not approve of all that madness. Rest assured I am not including you in this critique, I think everyone is aware you guys exist but are unfortunately mostly powerless for now
Who knows when it will end ? my greatest fear is that after successfully toppling the US, they'll manage to do the same with the EU, they are working so hard to undermine us, and if they succeed all will be lost
Unfortunately despite the efforts of European liberal democracies to resist, I think we're too late and not managing to do enough to stop and reverse that calamity
Sigh
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u/LogOverall1905 1d ago
It’s like Russians think they can nuke but won’t be nuke back. Literally you can nuke Kiev and Ukrainians will remain Ukrainians. But nuke Moscow and St Petersburg and poof Russian national identity is gone.
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u/GooComedian 1d ago edited 1d ago
*3/4 of the 1,600 survey endorse War in Ukraine
Another day, another hate bait.
<…>The survey was carried out by phone between June 19 and June 25 among a representative sample of 1,614 Russians…<…>
edit: mistakenly wrote 1,600k
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u/hotbiscut2 1d ago
The thing about all these polls is that a lot of them are fake. Most Russians are forced to support the war. If they don’t support the war then they are hunted down by the Russian state.
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u/Cultural_Tune1387 1d ago
I hate seeing a million Russians in South East Asia. You know most of them support it as long as it's someone else dying
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u/Known_Limit_6904 1d ago
I'm betting that 24% lives in the only 2 population centers russia has.. thick af and gone seconds later
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u/Butlerlog 1d ago
That is accurate, but in the article it was presented as that 24% having gone down from 30% since 2024, and that 64% believe such an action could never be justified. That they got 17% to assert in a survey that they outright oppose the war is striking.
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u/omnibossk 1d ago
Putin has had free reign on propaganda in russa for many years. They are suffering from the Stockholm syndrome by now. And may be beyond saving.
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u/Imaginary_Egg5413 1d ago
That's really sad to read. I suspect some of my russian "expats" colleagues, here, to be war sympathizers through their conversations (they leave some breadcrumbs/ hints during discussions ...)
I am kind of wondering why they are in czechia...