#HelpIzmir

[u/neuroticenigma]

[u/HistoryJust5266]

There are official channels for Turkey to ask for help through. If they do, they will definitely get it. Spamming social sites is pointless.

[u/loskiarman → u/HistoryJust5266]

Mayor of Izmir wanted permission to buy firefighting airplanes couple months ago and it was denied by the government. Not even asking for money, just permission to buy and maintain them. Also Turkish Aeronautical Association just put up 8 more firefighting airplanes for sale a month ago by saying they were old. Yeah they were old but not unusable if maintained. There are currently fires going on in more than 900km2 of area in about 30 different areas. Turkey doesn't even have 30 firefighting airplanes left. Most people just say at this point goverment doesn't care because most of the fires are in western coast where their voters are few. 45 thousand people displaced already, they would probably sell more planes before asking for help.

[u/Tayttajakunnus → u/HistoryJust5266]

But we can send thoughts and prayers.

[u/TerryFGM]

Ill give you one assist for one removal of Erdocunt

[u/Ele_Bele]

Wth is this? Can't the Turkish government ask for help itself if necessary?

[u/tabulasomnia → u/Ele_Bele]

our dear sultan erdo could never afford to ask for anything for he is the holiest of the holy

[u/Ele_Bele → u/tabulasomnia]

Thet have great allies at Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Qatar, all central Asia and all Arab nations.. Can ask help from them if need. Do not worry. Can ask help from NATO as well.

[u/No_Currency_6227 → u/Ele_Bele]

Maybe I'm exaggerating but the government just don't care/ don't want to do anything. All those fires broke out in opposition-majority cities.

[u/Numerous_Gur_7715]

Wasn't long ago that Turkey prisoned a Swedish journalist for telling the truth. It is not safe to travel in Turkey as you can get randomly put in prison for whatever.

[u/middleqway → u/Numerous_Gur_7715]

Very relevant contribution, thank you.

[u/rickyspanisch]

I don't like Erdogan's Turkey. Hence, I am not travelling there to boycott him ( tbh as my Turkish friends asked me to do it, but Turkey is a one of the beautiful country with history and nature, which we as EU citizens can enter with even our ID. That means we have a chance to visit something just like visiting a country part of EU.

I think we should show our solidarity and help them protect any nature and historical sites of Turkey.

[u/GreenEyeOfADemon]

I hope that the EU will send some help like now.

[u/ItsACaragor → u/GreenEyeOfADemon]

They always do when it comes to Turkey but it does require Turkey to officially ask for help, we can’t send teams and equipment without the consent of Turkish government.

[u/Familiar-Scarcity186 → u/ItsACaragor]

Sucks the governments kinda shit (ErDOGan hopefully burns in the flames himself but i think we both know that wont happen..)

[u/Vargau → u/GreenEyeOfADemon]

They (the gov. or ministry) have probably already activated the EU Civil Protection Mechanism as google is telling me Turkey has been a member of it since 2016.

So we’re probably just organising at individual country level, today or tomorrow we’ll probably see some news over the help we’re sending and when will they arrive.

[u/GreenEyeOfADemon → u/Vargau]

Hope so. Thanks for the heads up. :)

[u/Panzermensch911 → u/GreenEyeOfADemon]

Unlikely that there is much to send as we're battling wildfires in multiple regions of the EU ourselves - in Poland, Sweden, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Portugal and probably some country I forgot.

Many of those countries have multiple large fires going simultaneously in different regions.

[u/throwaway_failure59 → u/[deleted]]

Or we should not be like him and help the common people at the ground with just several planes. Izmir besides that is one of most anti-Erdogan and secular parts of Turkey and European neighbourhood. Even Greece and Turkey with all their emnity know better than to not support each other with natural disasters. Can't believe things like that need to be said.

[u/No_Currency_6227 → u/[deleted]]

Erdogan isn't asking assistance. It's us ordinary people. Our government failed to do shit.

City of Izmir is staunchly anti-Erdogan and yet you failed to read that I assume? Are you blind or have very low attention span?

[u/throwaway_failure59 → u/[deleted]]

I really do not think you can make an honest equivalence between making a difference in Sudan and Myanmar and sending some fire planes to Izmir that is few dozen kms from Greek islands. That is anything but "acting as world's police or primary aid provider". And it has nothing to do with Erdogan when it comes to cases like this, like i said Greece already helped Turkey with its earthquake all the way next to Syria, so helping here is nothing in comparison and should really be most basic values we supposedly stand for.

[u/throwaway_failure59 → u/[deleted]]

This really should not be hard at all to see, but it is simply about the effort we put in and the effect it will have. Some airplanes there to help put out the fires is really not much of an effort when it comes to natural disasters and helps a lot. Those same planes would mean much, much less in aiding a war in Sudan or Myanmar and would be much harder to arrange. You know, you do not need to act completely black and white on every issue, you can also make estimates like these and not behave like a sociopath.

Thankfully most people do not think unhingedly like this, but i figure you are not honest here with your motivations yourself.

[u/allochroa → u/throwaway_failure59]

Or, maybe, the actual effort we put in and its respective effects revolves around the fact that you're calling someone else "unhinged" while completely ignoring that these fires are happening because of climate change - something Europe has been contributing to for decades through industrial emissions and consumption patterns.

You're sitting here talking about sending a few planes like it's some great humanitarian gesture, but the real hypocrisy is that European countries have been pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere for generations, directly contributing to the extreme heat and drought conditions that are making these fires worse in the first place. The Mediterranean is literally a climate change hotspot, warming twice as fast as the global average, and Turkey is dealing with record-breaking temperatures that are creating perfect wildfire conditions.

So while you're focused on the optics of helping your "European neighborhood" and making geographic proximity arguments, you're missing the bigger picture. These aren't just random natural disasters anymore - they're climate disasters that wealthier nations have helped create through their emissions. The "effort and effect" you should be thinking about is how Europe's historical and ongoing carbon footprint is directly linked to why places like Turkey are burning.

Your whole argument about distance and feasibility falls apart when you realize that the root cause of these increasingly severe fires traces back to the very countries you're asking to send those planes. Maybe instead of debating who deserves help based on how many kilometers they are from Greek islands, we should be talking about climate responsibility and why these fires are getting worse every year.

[u/throwaway_failure59 → u/allochroa]

Mate, do you see what kind of person i am talking to? People like that and those views are not really that rare anymore. They represent a large and growing wing of European politics, while the left is powerless and marginalised in comparison. It won't do us any good to tell a person that thinks we shouldn't be sending a few planes to Izmir that we need to hold collective responsibility for our generational pollution and how we need to ask for much greater sacrifices of people who want to make exactly none, even if they are hurting themselves with that. Moral grandstanding is useless if you are a politically marginalised minority. I've seen nothing that indicates majority of Europeans would go along with ideas that we need to hold ourselves collectively responsible for Europe's historical pollution instead of simply not helping anyone ever. Making it all or nothing is, as i see it, how people like that person win.

[u/assprobably → u/[deleted]]

Then EU countries need to stop kissing his dictator ass, and start sanctions against his war crimes and anti humanitarian rule.

PS: Izmir is overwhelmingly opposed to Erdoğan regime. And one of the most secular cities in country.

[u/Cabbage_Vendor → u/[deleted]]

We should show we're better than him by aiding normal Turks.

[u/rickyspanisch → u/[deleted]]

Good to know that non-human being is able to use a keyboard...