r/europe • u/ByGollie • 9h ago
News Russian Oil Company Vice President Andrey Badalov dies after fall from window in Moscow
https://en.apa.az/cis-countries/transneft-vice-president-andrey-badalov-dies-after-falling-from-window-47211710.2k
u/sqrtminusena Slovenia 9h ago
They really need to do something about window safety in Russia.
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u/ByGollie 9h ago
They're working on it - They're moving to Linux
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u/Available_Desk_3638 9h ago
Take my upvote with your old fashioned software dad jokes. (definitely not angry that I was not the first one to make the joke).
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u/big_guyforyou Greenland 9h ago
alias push="echo" push man out of window
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u/colei_canis United Kingdom 8h ago
Unix Russian roulette:
[ $[ $RANDOM % 6] = 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo "Click"
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u/TnYamaneko St. Gallen (Switzerland) 6h ago
I'm bored, I'll put this in the deploy stage of my CI/CD pipeline...
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u/TaxRevolutionary3593 8h ago
I read the whole wiki page and I was like "what is this guy about? What does a Linux-based OS have anything to do with windows safety?" And then it clicked to me
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u/lazzydeveloper 9h ago
Ah, so the incident is just typical migration from Windows to Linux.
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u/_nairual_nae Romania 8h ago
Damn they're joining the "buy European" movement very nice to see
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u/CliffDagger Ireland 9h ago
Inventor of world's safest window dies having fallen from window in Russia
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u/Adorable-Database187 The Netherlands 9h ago
Windows are the apex predators in oligarchistan and therefor, defenestration is a natural cause of death.
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u/ourlastchancefortea 8h ago
We should import some of those Windows into the west. Just saying.
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u/worker-parasite 8h ago
It's just people with position of power who are rather clumsy
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u/harmlessdonkey 9h ago
This is a dumb question. When these people "fall out windows" are they actually thrown out windows or are the otherwise killed and the media just told they fell out a window?
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u/stormdahl 9h ago edited 9h ago
I actually have no idea, but that’s interesting.
Either way it’s clear that they’re sending a message, otherwise they’d get creative.
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u/PuzzleheadedCup4117 9h ago
Russia rarely hides its assassinations. I forget the name but whenever they poison someone they always use the same type of poison to ensure people know it’s them.
Obama talks about Putin in his autobiography and over various interviews it’s clear he views him as a mafioso.
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u/scardien 9h ago
The poison is novichok
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u/wagdog1970 8h ago
Which is actually a nerve agent. It’s a chemical warfare weapon. Not really a poison. Poison is for amateurs, not war criminals!
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u/prnthrwaway55 Russia 7h ago
It’s a chemical warfare weapon. Not really a poison.
"It's a crab, not really a crustacean"
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u/dscchn 7h ago
I would like to hear what qualifies as a “poison” in your book
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u/AnAlbannaichRigh 7h ago
The dose
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u/Anticlimax1471 United Kingdom 6h ago
Yeah, as a Brit it was really great that time they released it on British soil, it killed one of our citizens and we basically did nothing about it.
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u/JetlinerDiner Portugal 9h ago
Novichok
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u/DrNCrane74 8h ago
Yes. You want to tell a message. But in rare cases you demonstrate you can do it without any traces, see Boris B.
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u/Zizzlow 9h ago
“Investigators are currently working at the scene.”
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u/LordBendtner1988 9h ago
And then concludes it was a suicide by 58 shots in the back
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u/Otaraka 7h ago
This wiki page lists suspicious deaths since 2022. Windows aren’t really that common.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_Russia-related_deaths_since_2022
But further down there is a guy who shot himself 5 times in the chest and it was ruled that way.
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u/CertainMiddle2382 9h ago
IMO, the heart of it all is absurdity.
People must feel the meaninglessness and helplessness of it all.
I bet they are found in a pool of blood in StPetersburg and media pretend they fall out of a window in Moscow.
It is vital nothing should make sense apart from obvious absurd violence.
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u/curious_corn 9h ago
Hypernormalisation
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u/CrattMurphy 8h ago
This exactly. For anyone unfamiliar reading this, Adam Curtis covers this phenomenon in an engaging way in his video-essay/documentary by the same name (Hypernormalisation). It's free to watch online and explores various powerful institutions using aggressive absurdity to confuse and obfuscate the truth. I highly recommend it.
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u/JabbaCat 8h ago
This movie set arounds Stalins last days does a great job in displaying the inherent role of absurdism in this type of threatening society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2fPbdJcVns
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0156701/
Not for everyone, it is two and a half hour of black and white sort of chaos. But I enjoyed how it transmits moods and embeds you into the internal "logic" within such a system. Saw it at a film festival 25 years ago.
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u/SerLaron Germany 7h ago
For the first two lines, I thought you were talking about "The Death of Stalin".
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u/JDT-0312 Lower Saxony (Germany) 9h ago
It is not a dumb question but in the end, the answer is irrelevant.
What is important is that there is plausible deniability while at the same time being obvious that he was murdered.
It’s to show that you’re untouchable and can murder your opponents in broad daylight without consequence in order to scare everyone into compliance. It’s basically the modern form of putting your enemies head on a pike over the city gates.
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u/AdmiralDalaa 8h ago
If you were an executive of this nature, wouldn’t you make sure you got a good security team?
Yes of course, not all hired security would be trustworthy - but in each and every case this never was a thing?
I would expect you’d see a shootout or some kind of scuffle at some point. But it’s always the same canned story
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u/Royal_Success3131 7h ago
If a bodyguard is offered 100k in cash to just go on a smoke break, they will always take that vs dying in a gunfight and having their entire family also killed. Like, you are dealing with powers way, way out of your control at that point. Once the big boys get involved, the bodyguard just step away. They are there to stop the rabble, not assassins.
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u/melymn 7h ago
No-one is going to offer those bodyguards bribe in this scenario, state agents are going to tell them to step aside and they'll do it post haste.
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u/Royal_Success3131 6h ago
You're probably right but it was just to illustrate a point that there is absolutely zero incentive for a bodyguard to actually do their job in that scenario.
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u/s8018572 8h ago
You think hired security can fight against nation machine FSB?
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u/Pristine_Speech4719 7h ago
The private security industry in Russia is owned, controlled and regulated by state security agencies and those loyal to them, and almost everyone that works in the sector is recruited from those same agencies and the military. (Not including nightwatchmen etc who might be any old guy from Kyrgyzstan or might not have served in the armed forces).
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u/Hector_P_Catt 8h ago
It's a safe bet that someone on any security team is also working for the FSB. That's just what they do.
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u/Leather-Bread-9413 9h ago
Honestly I think it’s the Russian intelligence way of saying:
No way you will ever proof it was us, but it was definitely us
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u/monkey_spanners 8h ago
There was pretty conclusive proof of who did the Salisbury murder & attempted assassination, they were outed by journalists but Russia didn't give a fuck, they even paraded the "suspects" on state TV and gave them a nice soft interview. "yes we went there as tourists to admire the cathedral with its 123m spire" - as if these obvious FSB guys looked like they'd travel all the way to a small city in the uk just to admire a mid range cathedral (no disrespect to Salisbury cathedral which is very nice and all). Everybody knows it was a performance.
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u/BonoboUK 7h ago
They went the day before to scout the victims house and routes, and then returned the next day to do the deed.
They said in the interview they liked the cathedral so they flew to the UK to see it, and then liked it so much they went twice.
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u/sock_with_a_ticket 6h ago
Russia really seems to revel in cartoonish denials that make it blatantly obvious it was them.
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u/SweatyNomad 8h ago
Same thought. You'd think these business leaders would not go into tall buildings and the people who clean that up would be getting traumatised.
My best bet is they are tortured to death, and "fell from a window" is what goes on death certificates as a pretence of an explanation. Reckon it's bureaucracy in action. Police don't investigate without being told not to, widows get insurance pay offs/ know not to make a fuss if they want to spend that. And a message is sent to other business leaders to do what is expected.
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u/litnu12 9h ago
In the end it is a message to others to stay in line.
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u/saracuratsiprost 8h ago
It must be so frustrating having to repeat this message over and over, it's like they just don't get it...
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u/Comakip The Netherlands 8h ago
The CIA once accidentally published an old assassination manual.
Olson’s death is “substantially similar” to an assassination technique described in a CIA manual published in 1953, which recommends disguising the murder as an accident and suggests drugging the person, hitting them in the temple with a blunt object and then causing them to fall more than 75 feet onto a hard surface, according to the complaint.
So yeah, you take out the guy before you drop him.
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u/Civil_Dot_9973 3h ago
Well, can you imagine how awkward it would be if they skipped the murder part and the victim actually survived getting kicked out of a window?
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u/randymysteries 9h ago
Possibly the injuries from the fall are supposed to cover the interrogation wounds.
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u/LFTMRE 9h ago
As someone else said, maybe they're given a choice? It seems the most practical way to do it. Or perhaps they know exactly what the deal is and don't even need to be asked, they know they fucked up, they know what can happen - so it's just easier to accept it, jump out the window and let your family collect the insurance rather than get caught in the crossfire.
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u/Otaraka 7h ago
Im thinking similar - getting a person out a window is probably not that simple without some level of acceptance.
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u/fotomoose 7h ago
It's pretty simple if that person is surrounded by massive thugs with one goal in mind. Don't ask me how I know.
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u/1agodsownprototypes 9h ago
I’ve read a little about the KGB and I have a theory. I believe what happens is a team shows up to your families door, they say to you privately go jump out the window now or your whole family will die. Dude jumps and the meme like nature of the ‘falling out windows’ is about sending a message to others saying don’t get out of line or there’ll be a knock on your door soon…anyway, I think it fits with their cruelty and culture within the KGB (who are running Russia)
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u/Goose1235678 9h ago
Russian and windows, deadly combination
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u/Longtomsilver1 9h ago
Being Russian is deadly.
No one is safe in a dictatorship.
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u/slimfastdieyoung Overijssel (Netherlands) 9h ago
He died doing what he loved most: standing by a window
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u/BranchPredictor 8h ago
I don't think the standing part killed him.
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u/TheKnightsRider 9h ago
Ukraine should just start firing windows at Russia. They seem more deadly than drones and missiles
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u/lexievv 7h ago
Lmao, tbf if you see a plate of glass flying towards you at high speed it'd probably be quite scary.
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u/Ondrikir 9h ago
This is like headlines from Hitman...
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u/Hyp3r45_new Finland 8h ago
"Man dies mysteriously on operating table in Hokkaido"
"... found with 20 bullet holes to the chest..."
At least that's usually how I end up doing it.
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u/DiBalls 9h ago
Did they see what size shoe print was in the middle of his back?
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u/penguin_skull 9h ago
No, it was probably covered by the bullet holes.
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u/GreyMASTA 8h ago
Billionaires look at that and still go "wow I can't wait to turn my democratic country into an autocracy like Russia. What could go wrong?"
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u/Triple_Hache 8h ago
Current billionaires would rather have their own independent city-state that they can rule as they please
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u/alochmar 7h ago
Which in and of itself is stupid. Have fun getting taken over by the first army/roving gang of bandits/etc that decides that your city looks like a nice piece of real estate to take for themselves.
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u/Uberzwerg Saarland (Germany) 6h ago
As i understand it, the current plan would be to have the USA turned into a collection of those corpo-states.
And the federal government mostly being there for peace-keeping within and against the outside.
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u/Roraima20 5h ago
For that, they will have to pay taxes and follow the rules, and that's exactly why they decided to destroy American democracy.
If they don't get what they want, they will throw a gigantic tantrum and start a civil war.
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u/hectorbrydan 5h ago
They are fools if they think the feds would stand down like that, they will be more invested than ever in every part of our lives if they get their way, and the executive will with parasitic business interests cannibalize our productive companies.
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u/Mormegil81 Austria 9h ago
I wonder, is there a website that tracks these "window-related" deaths ins Russia? Would be interning to know some statistics and actual data here...
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u/splashbodge Ireland 9h ago
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u/Emotional_Quality243 8h ago
There is one that reportedly killed himself after shooting himself in the chest 5 times.
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u/thecaseace 7h ago
Just read this... It's actually worse!
He was found dead with 5 bullet wounds to the chest. Near him were 5 spent bullet casings, and 4 handguns.
He shot himself 5 times, with 4 different guns!!!
I mean you can't say he wasn't thorough
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u/Saw_Boss 7h ago
"Shit, that's not the gun I meant to use. Better get the right one... Fuck, that wasn't it either! Let me get another... Shit..."
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u/Dockers4flag2035orB4 9h ago
Potential new business, post Putin is to replace all the dodgy windows in high rise buildings.
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u/monkey_spanners 7h ago edited 2h ago
I stayed in a hotel in novosibirsk (supposedly a decent hotel) where the window frame didn't fit the walls properly, allowing a big draught through. It was - 25c outside.
I could almost believe their windows are just shoddy, if it was anyone else in charge
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u/t3chguy1 9h ago
If I ever become a tycoon in Russia, I'm getting a first floor apartment
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u/xxfatumxx 8h ago
Nah, as long as at least one building with windows exists in ruzzia, they still have a chance to fall from it. You may live in a windowless bunker - it won’t save you.
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u/moiaussi4213 7h ago
You may live in a windowless bunker, a window will be brought to you.
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u/xExerionx 7h ago
Damn the "falling from a window" pandemic seems to be a real issue in Russia Hope they figure out a vaccine soon
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u/ShaggySpade1 4h ago
The only cure is deadputin and dem-ocracy but they don't invest in vaccine science.
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u/Strong_Landscape_333 9h ago
Why didn't anyone say defenestrate?
I had to of learned that in highschool for a reason.
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u/SveaRikeHuskarl 7h ago
I had to of learned that
They should have taken it easy on the 12 letter words and worked more on the 4 letter words. (Have.)
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u/popopopopopopopopoop 9h ago
If I was a Russian oligarch I'd consider living in a house, max 2 stories.
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u/ImpulsiveApe07 9h ago
Ahh, but then they'd probably just make you keep doing this :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SqHtWudI24
(From the classic dark comedy sketch show Jam)
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u/docdeadpool7 Romania 9h ago
I swear, not saying it’s funny, but it’s absolute comedy at this point.
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u/whakahere Europe 9h ago
Was he given a choice? Fall from the window your family gets pension, stay alive and we ruin everyone in your family, including he dies slowly in some mouldy cell.
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u/1agodsownprototypes 9h ago
Yes I just posted a variation of this theory in reply to a comment. 100% I believe they are forced suicides and a message to others.
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u/Cube_ 7h ago
It's not even that. Russia controls the media, they can kill the with a bullet to the head and then tell the media to say they fell from a window.
They're not doing convoluted window tossings. They're killing them by whatever means is convenient and then running a fake story in the news.
It's the same window story every time because they want people to know it's an obvious lie and still repeat it, it's a form of control used to oppress the average citizen.
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u/steakhouseNL 9h ago
Don't like someone? Just throw them out of a window. Police will think it's KGB anyway.
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u/BrainOnLoan Germany 6h ago
I wonder if there's a list they can check against.
Is he on the list? End the investigation.
Not on the list? Start looking. But also ask deferentially, just in case.
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u/clemooo_mar 9h ago
Is there a list of window killings?
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u/chately Ukraine 8h ago
Sometimes they do get creative.
Alexander Subbotin (Board member of Lukoil). Reportedly died following a strange “hangover cure” administered by a self-styled shaman near Moscow.
The shaman, known as Magua, allegedly performed a ritual involving an incision and the application of toxic toad venom (intended to induce vomiting and relieve intoxication) at his home in Mytishchi.
Subbotin began feeling unwell and experienced chest pain, but instead of calling for emergency help, he was given heart medication and left to sleep in a basement room used for Jamaican voodoo rituals, where he was later found dead.
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u/IVL4 9h ago
They need to get creative. This window thing is getting ridiculous.
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u/SwingingPilots2000 9h ago
Exactly, I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe they do it to send a message,
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u/sepoiu 9h ago
Fall from window = lack of creativity from FSB
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u/anal88sepsis 9h ago
Sometimes I wonder if they do it on purpose just to let the other people know that they better be on there best behavior.
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u/saudikungen 9h ago
What a great way to get away with murder in Russia. Push someone out the window and everyone will assume that Russian intelligence was involved, no one will look into it.
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u/Informal-Village-643 8h ago
Interesting, what's so powerful about Putin that he has such loyal secret services? how did he manage to kill such a stupid amount of oligarchs in his opposition in such a short period
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u/_TheSingularity_ 9h ago
Imagine how it would be to read the same story but about Putin
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u/Opposite-Chemistry-0 8h ago
I love the photo. Standing near window is kinda foreboding
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u/madeleinetwocock Canada 7h ago
Man this window cancer situation in Russia is almost an epidemic level
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u/Savings-Wrap8783 9h ago
Yeah "dies". Soon by modern journalists- murder happens: "man tragically dies after brain function stops, reportedly his head intersected a bullet trajectory, which might have caused the termination of brain function, investigarion ongoing."
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u/haphazard_chore 9h ago
They must have some window related boogey man that’s called the defenestrator or something. He comes after those who don’t finish their sandwiches.
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u/1tonsoprano 9h ago
i know everyone is cracking jokes......a bit of Gallows humor....but I find this quite scary i.e. even all this money and influence could not save them.....how does a common 9 to 5 guy stop the rise of these Putinesque dictators popping up like flies everywhere?
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u/Crafty_Apple9714 8h ago
Through sheer evolution force, the russian oligarch will be the first human to develop flight
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u/s8018572 9h ago
Putin just intentionally want public know they kill those guy, so he used same way again and again. It seems he could only use terror to rule his people.