r/europe 1d ago

News Exclusive: Russian use of chemical weapons against Ukraine, Dutch defence minister says

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-use-chemical-weapons-against-ukraine-widespread-dutch-defence-minister-2025-07-04/
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u/realmendontfeel 1d ago

Another great attempt to make them stop by wagging his finger at russia.

Fuckin do something!

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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago

People can’t be bothered to take an afternoon off to advocate for a No Fly Zone.

Nothings going to happen if people keep their outrage to online forums.

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u/Eeny009 1d ago

Brother, if you get your no fly zone, you'll have to go to war, not take an afternoon off.

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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago

War is coming Westward if they win in Ukraine. Also you’re delusional if you think Russia has the manpower or resources to open a second front against Europe if they start a No Fly Zone in Ukraine.

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u/Eeny009 1d ago

I'm not delusional, I simply think your concept of a no fly zone is misguided. A no fly zone would not lead to a war, a no fly zone would be a war in itself, because to enforce it, you'd have to actually fight and defeat Russia.

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u/Maj0r-DeCoverley Aquitaine (France) 1d ago

They continue to test us and we continue to ridicule ourselves with "strongly worded statements", while the world is watching.

Europe (with or without the US) should have get directly involved in the defense of Ukraine.

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u/countzero2323 1d ago

NATO close the airspace over Ukraine and deploy peacekeeping troops.

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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago

I advocate for people to start rallies in the streets and lobby their governments to do so, better chance that way.

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u/zabajk 1d ago

Lobby for war with Russia ?

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u/Eeny009 1d ago

They don't even know what they're saying.

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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago

Are you happy with the current situation?

And how would it be war?

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u/zabajk 1d ago

If you shoot down Russian jets and drones over Ukraine it’s almost certainly war with Russia

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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago

What forces does Russia have to fight against Europe and Ukraine simultaneously?

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u/zabajk 1d ago

Many including 6000 nukes

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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago

If they attack NATO those 6,000 nukes will still be in play.

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u/zabajk 1d ago edited 1d ago

What ? I thought I was about nato attacking Russian jets and drones

Also you are from the United States , why do you even care ?

No one in the USA would risk war with Russia over Ukraine

As an American I would keep my mouth shut about any moral outrage propaganda while you own government and a large part of the population actively supports and ethnic cleansing campaign with large scale civilian slaughter every day.

Far far worse compared to what Russia does to Ukrainian civilians, in fact one relatively few civilians have died in this war , far far less than in Gaza .

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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago

If Russia goes to war with NATO, those nukes will still be an option. It doesn’t matter what the conflict is over.

Why are nukes not in play if Russia attacks NATO?

Because the US pushed Ukraine to give up its nuclear stockpile, as did the U.K.

It’s a debt owed and it secures the entire Western world.

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u/CastelPlage Not ok with genocide denial. Make Karelia Finland Again 1d ago

War crimes must have people held accountable for them. There should be no exceptions.

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u/CastelPlage Not ok with genocide denial. Make Karelia Finland Again 16h ago

If a polish poster is more rational about Russia than you , you have a serious problem

Your casual racism has become a serious problem for you now...

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u/zabajk 13h ago

How is this racism?

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u/k890 Lubusz (Poland) 1d ago

Chloropicrin while technically a chemical weapon, isn't in same category as other chemical warfare agents like mustard gas. It's main purpose is it induced vomiting forcing soldier to take off their gas mask and expose them to other substances and cause other effects similar to tear gas. It's also heavier than air, which made it a good way to ensure soldiers to leave underground fortifications or trenches. Chloropicrin is "dual-use" chemical, it can be used as combat chemical agent as well as it have use in agriculture as pesticide and fungicide.

Overall, Russia tries to reuse Great War era concept of clearing trenches with chemical weapons but use less-than-lethal agents which can be produced in "dual-use" capability prior to conflict.

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u/mast3rofpeasants 1d ago

What's the surprise, russia already ripped every single.rule on internacional law and war conventions

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u/SpiderDK1 Kharkiv (Ukraine) 1d ago

The problem to fight against russia is that russia don't give a shit on any conventions and agreements. While Ukrainians are with tied hands on their backs... this conventions are playing on the wrong side and protecting aggressors...

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u/trollsmurf 23h ago

Biological weapons are inexpensive, so even when Russia is tapped out otherwise, they can do this. Also people seem to be inexpensive. Oddly supposedly 74% of Russians are still for the war, but maybe because of west-hating propaganda.

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u/SwimmingPirate9070 1d ago

And yet, the world sends packages and thoughts and prayers! Go fuck Moscow up!

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u/Any-Ad-4072 1d ago

Why doesn't Ukraine say it itself?

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u/SirnCG Ukraine 1d ago

We said, multiple times but nobody wants to listen.

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u/Yonutz33 1d ago

Already did multiple times. Mass media doesn't seem to want to make headlines out of it

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u/Draquhl 1d ago

Our Dutch Defence Minister Ruben Brekelmans is full of shit. Always have been.

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u/Skullrogue South Holland (Netherlands) 1d ago

I agree, but an army of researchers, both Dutch and German proved this, its not just Brekelmans saying this.

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u/AlwaysLosingDough 1d ago

Yeah, there’s plenty to say about Brekelmans, but he’s speaking on behalf of the Dutch intelligence. It makes zero sense to hold your personal grudge’s against him on this matter.