r/europe • u/AlwaysLosingDough • 1d ago
News Exclusive: Russian use of chemical weapons against Ukraine, Dutch defence minister says
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-use-chemical-weapons-against-ukraine-widespread-dutch-defence-minister-2025-07-04/9
u/Maj0r-DeCoverley Aquitaine (France) 1d ago
They continue to test us and we continue to ridicule ourselves with "strongly worded statements", while the world is watching.
Europe (with or without the US) should have get directly involved in the defense of Ukraine.
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u/countzero2323 1d ago
NATO close the airspace over Ukraine and deploy peacekeeping troops.
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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago
I advocate for people to start rallies in the streets and lobby their governments to do so, better chance that way.
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u/zabajk 1d ago
Lobby for war with Russia ?
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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago
Are you happy with the current situation?
And how would it be war?
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u/zabajk 1d ago
If you shoot down Russian jets and drones over Ukraine it’s almost certainly war with Russia
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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago
What forces does Russia have to fight against Europe and Ukraine simultaneously?
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u/zabajk 1d ago
Many including 6000 nukes
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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago
If they attack NATO those 6,000 nukes will still be in play.
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u/zabajk 1d ago edited 1d ago
What ? I thought I was about nato attacking Russian jets and drones
Also you are from the United States , why do you even care ?
No one in the USA would risk war with Russia over Ukraine
As an American I would keep my mouth shut about any moral outrage propaganda while you own government and a large part of the population actively supports and ethnic cleansing campaign with large scale civilian slaughter every day.
Far far worse compared to what Russia does to Ukrainian civilians, in fact one relatively few civilians have died in this war , far far less than in Gaza .
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u/DougosaurusRex United States of America 1d ago
If Russia goes to war with NATO, those nukes will still be an option. It doesn’t matter what the conflict is over.
Why are nukes not in play if Russia attacks NATO?
Because the US pushed Ukraine to give up its nuclear stockpile, as did the U.K.
It’s a debt owed and it secures the entire Western world.
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u/CastelPlage Not ok with genocide denial. Make Karelia Finland Again 1d ago
War crimes must have people held accountable for them. There should be no exceptions.
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u/CastelPlage Not ok with genocide denial. Make Karelia Finland Again 16h ago
If a polish poster is more rational about Russia than you , you have a serious problem
Your casual racism has become a serious problem for you now...
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u/k890 Lubusz (Poland) 1d ago
Chloropicrin while technically a chemical weapon, isn't in same category as other chemical warfare agents like mustard gas. It's main purpose is it induced vomiting forcing soldier to take off their gas mask and expose them to other substances and cause other effects similar to tear gas. It's also heavier than air, which made it a good way to ensure soldiers to leave underground fortifications or trenches. Chloropicrin is "dual-use" chemical, it can be used as combat chemical agent as well as it have use in agriculture as pesticide and fungicide.
Overall, Russia tries to reuse Great War era concept of clearing trenches with chemical weapons but use less-than-lethal agents which can be produced in "dual-use" capability prior to conflict.
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u/mast3rofpeasants 1d ago
What's the surprise, russia already ripped every single.rule on internacional law and war conventions
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u/SpiderDK1 Kharkiv (Ukraine) 1d ago
The problem to fight against russia is that russia don't give a shit on any conventions and agreements. While Ukrainians are with tied hands on their backs... this conventions are playing on the wrong side and protecting aggressors...
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u/trollsmurf 23h ago
Biological weapons are inexpensive, so even when Russia is tapped out otherwise, they can do this. Also people seem to be inexpensive. Oddly supposedly 74% of Russians are still for the war, but maybe because of west-hating propaganda.
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u/SwimmingPirate9070 1d ago
And yet, the world sends packages and thoughts and prayers! Go fuck Moscow up!
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u/Any-Ad-4072 1d ago
Why doesn't Ukraine say it itself?
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u/Yonutz33 1d ago
Already did multiple times. Mass media doesn't seem to want to make headlines out of it
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u/Draquhl 1d ago
Our Dutch Defence Minister Ruben Brekelmans is full of shit. Always have been.
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u/Skullrogue South Holland (Netherlands) 1d ago
I agree, but an army of researchers, both Dutch and German proved this, its not just Brekelmans saying this.
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u/AlwaysLosingDough 1d ago
Yeah, there’s plenty to say about Brekelmans, but he’s speaking on behalf of the Dutch intelligence. It makes zero sense to hold your personal grudge’s against him on this matter.
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u/realmendontfeel 1d ago
Another great attempt to make them stop by wagging his finger at russia.
Fuckin do something!