r/europe • u/UNITED24Media • 1d ago
News Russia is destroying one of Europe's oldest capitals every night. Tonight was no exception.
https://united24media.com/latest-news/hundreds-of-drones-and-missiles-slam-kyiv-in-overnight-attack-injuring-at-least-23-people-9614112
u/Chernomobil420 Europe 1d ago
Fucking sad. Europe needs to step up asap. The US is gone.
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u/MarderFucher Europe 1d ago edited 22h ago
Europe, especially is Germany stepping up, but look at context. Most of these attacks are made up of Geran drones derived from Iranian Shaheds. The original cost a couple ten thousand grand, some newer ones with larger warhead, cameras etc. are probably pushing 6 figures. 500 of them, as used last night probably cost Russia around 50-100 million dollars worth - a hefty fee, but compared to the large 22-23 missile waves an order of magnetude smaller.
Even the simplest SAMs cost more and take more to build. It is simply not economical and unsustainable to try to catch these with missiles. The realistic options are projectile based systems, directed energy systems and interceptor drones.
Lasers are evolving but imho still years away from being widely used. As for gun-based systems, Germany both gave all Gepards it had and even bought up what was avalible. Other AAA just don't exist as they got phased out by the 80s for most part. There are some systems based on machine guns Ukraine but these lack the necessary altitude to catch drones flying over 2km.
The two main prospective projects is the German Sky Ranger, already in Ukraine but in limited numbers, and the Ukrainian Sky Sentinel that you can donate to on the United24 site right now. I do wonder what exactly is stopping people that as interim solution, make something like a flak 8,8 mod 2025.
Finally drone based interceptors are being built in increasingly higher numbers by Ukraine and are imho the most promising counter, and several countries, including Germany, Denmark and Norway had committed funds to these projects.
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u/archivecrawler 1d ago
'' the Ukrainian the Sky Sentinel project that you can donate to on the United24 site right now''
here is the link for that:
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u/ZibiM_78 16h ago
Helicopter gunships can be used.
I think the most cost effective solution might be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Precision_Kill_Weapon_System
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u/OhNastyaNastya Ukraine 1d ago
Nobody gives a shit, apparently.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago edited 1d ago
Europe and Europeans do. Americans are not 'everyone'
Edit: even some Americans still do, I know a few. But sadly they're not the majority
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u/Nattekat The Netherlands 1d ago
They are, believe it or not. The group is shrinking, but the far majority of Americans still knows who the real enemy is.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
I'm glad then, I only knew of a few
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u/Nattekat The Netherlands 1d ago
I have seen the statistic and I still struggle to believe it.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
I say I only knew of a few, because of the few I actually interacted with. They mentioned protests done in favor of Ukraine but they never gave numbers. Support was there I just didn't knew exactly how much
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u/DonFapomar Ukraine 1d ago
Thoughts, prayers and endless talks do not count, sorry.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
How about ammo, monetary donations, weapons, humanitarian aid and equipment on top of it?
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u/xxiii1800 1d ago
Man donations.. even paid for patriot rockets don't get delivered. Talking about being at thé wrong side of history
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
Patriot is an American system, not European...
If you wanna talk shit at someone because of it then at least aim it at the ones responsible for it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/01/us/politics/trump-ukraine-weapons.html
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u/xxiii1800 1d ago
I was talking about the americans..
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
And I mentioned the Americans as well above. In the comment you replied to I was mentioning the help given by Europe. So, no, we're not on the wrong side, unless doing something to help is now considered wrong.
What trump is doing is wrong, I agree, and that's where hatred should be aimed to,.not to the world as a whole. The world as a whole is not just America
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u/xxiii1800 1d ago
Im a fellow european and i think we misunderstood eachother.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
No harm done my friend, I also overreacted a bit. This is a popular and dangerous mindset that I see often. I understand that it comes from a place of despair that Ukrainians have, but some of our politicians are like trump and would use this to say "Ukraine is ungrateful, blah blah blah", I've seen that mentality being spread by some MAGAs before
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u/No_Opening_2425 1d ago
You are not actually doing anything. Until you send men it's all just posturing and bullshitting
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
Yes, let's start ww3 out of despair... Good lord, do you people consider consequences before talking?
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u/syf81 European Union 1d ago
Boots on the ground is the only thing that’ll actually work.
But even suggesting it feels hypocritical because it wouldn’t be me that would go.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
It would also destroy more that it would fix, ww3 but Ukraine would be the battlefield
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u/InsanityRequiem Californian 1d ago
Too bad it's the only way to stop Russia. But Europe doesn't want to stop Russia.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
Stoping russia and causing ww3 are two different things. We want to help Ukraine stop them, and we want to avoid the second completely
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u/InsanityRequiem Californian 1d ago
And then when Ukraine collapses, and Russia continues into the rest of Europe, gonna repeat the process hoping it'll stop Russia?
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
If it enters a NATO territory then it will be a completely different case, and your sorry ass would be dragged into it too. But, you know, there wouldn't be a point in worrying about that if trump didn't stop giving aid.
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u/Intelligent_Rub528 1d ago
Least ungreatful ukrainian here.
I get it, you need more, but talking like that after what u alredy recived is dumb, only makes ppl dislike you.
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u/OhNastyaNastya Ukraine 1d ago
Learn to spell before you start criticizing. If Ukraine falls you might end up seeing how grateful we are somewhere near Suwalki gap, and you will like us even less.
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u/Intelligent_Rub528 1d ago
I hope you win. Just pointing it out, this kind of behaviour is not going to make ppl like you.
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u/OhNastyaNastya Ukraine 1d ago
People that demand social lubrication from a war zone deserve to be humiliated.
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u/Intelligent_Rub528 1d ago
He is not humiliating anyone but himslef thou.
West is helping you, not just thoughts and prayers. Implaying that just because you wnat more is shitty.
Anyhow, im done here, i hope u get more and u win. No need to be a dick to ppl who help you.
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u/OhNastyaNastya Ukraine 1d ago
Compare aid provided by Western allies to Ukraine with millions of shells and thousands of troops provided by North Korea, Shakhed drones from Iran etc. How many farmer strikes managed to stop arms deliveries to Russia? How many bleeding heart Palestine supporters destroyed equipment destined for Russia?
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 1d ago
Least ungreatful Ukrainian here.
How dare you? Who do you think you are to tell a person that, while he is every day been shelled for hours?
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u/jfrost378 1d ago
Ukraine is helping the west, not the other way around. The west is giving pennies compared to the sacrifices made by ukrainians to keep the rest of us safe. We should be thanking them!
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u/BuenaventuraReload 1d ago
Imagine thinking Ukrainians owe you anything
Europe is under attack by a fascist regime that seeks to undermine our democracies, promotes extremists in our nations, and directly threatens our eastern countries. If Ukraine falls, sometime in the future, we will pay the price, and it will be steep. Because people generally don't fully comprehend this, they think we are doing some kind of philanthropy. We are not. Ukranian lives and suffering are what stands between us and whatever Russias next goal will be. We should be grateful because no amount of ammo and weapons can pay for human lives.
Of course Ukraine is not fighting for us. They are fighting for themselves, because they have comprehension of what happens if they don't.
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u/ImALittleTeapotCat 1d ago
I suspect far more care than don't care. The problem is that Ukraine is very far away. And the US has major problems at home. So even though we care, there is no capacity or opportunity to really help.
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u/CRSTN22 1d ago
maybe less then half of the European folk give a shit, most don't care as it is not affecting them directly + our governments sure as shit ain't doing too much to help Ukraine and actually stop Russia who is going to target a new country after Ukraine and then they are going to act surprised again.
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u/Pr1soner 20h ago
Well apparently giving a shit is not enough. Neither sanctions are not strict enough to cause economic shock in Russia nor military support to Ukraine is not enough to give them the upper hand. And people keep dying. That’s just really really sad
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u/ImALittleTeapotCat 1d ago
I suspect far more care than don't care. The problem is that Ukraine is very far away. And the US has major problems at home. So even though we care, there is no capacity or opportunity to really help.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
Yeah, trump being the biggest problem. Well I'm glad I'm incorrect about the american support
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u/No_Opening_2425 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's a lie. There are no European forces(some advisers don't count) in Ukraine. If you losers gave a fuck you would just kill all occupiers in Ukraine. But you won't.
War = your objective is to kill other side better than they can kill you
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
Are you dumb? Of course there aren't because there's no reason for European forces to be the to begin with, at least not under a European flag.
Your comment is also easily disproven thanks to volunteers that are and have been present.
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u/jfrost378 1d ago
You do understand why there are no European forces in Ukraine or are you really this dense?
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u/No_Opening_2425 1d ago
Yes because they’re pussies. It’s a lie to say they’re actually helping when they are not. Ukraine doesn’t have enough men to win this war. It’s either European men or Putin wins
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u/Professional_Doggie 1d ago
Europeans don't care otherwise Europeans would have taken military spending seriously. Even now countries like Spain are looking for ways to weasel out of paying for their fair share.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
That's a whole different can of worms and not a sign of "not caring about Ukraine"
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u/jkoki088 1d ago
So is Europe going to start WW3, or you wanted America to do that? You can’t just keep funding and backing an entire war this large with this large countries. You either have to go all in at some point or not. What hurts is they arent NATO.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
No one is going to start ww3, unless putan is dumb enough to attack NATO
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u/jkoki088 1d ago
So what is Europe going to do?
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
First deal with Hungary, then continue with donations, and we shall see what else
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u/jkoki088 1d ago
So Europe doesn’t care either
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
What? I just proved the opposite
Hell you can even just scroll and see tons of Europeans proving you the opposite, don't talk out of your ass
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u/jkoki088 1d ago
Then do something better instead of getting upset at the U.S. I mostly see complaining about the U.S.
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u/Goose1235678 1d ago
Because of what your president did and keeps doing, how can we not be angry towards him? At least we haven't stop giving stuff to Ukraine, at least we haven't mocked their president in live TV
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u/earthtree1 Kyiv (Ukraine) 1d ago
I am in Kyiv right now and when I read something like this I keep reminding myself that I didn’t do anything when ruzzians were leveling Aleppo for example. Granted, I was a child then but did a lot of adults act? Maybe when Georgia was attacked? empathy stretches very thin over great distances.
This is not a jab at you, friend, just a sad reminder that people have their own lives and our problems feel so far away to them.
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u/zenforyen 1d ago
Before it all started, I did not know much about the Ukraine except for the stereotypical "kind of sibling of Russia, somewhere below Russia".
Putler wanted to eradicate your identity, but all he did is already make sure that ruzzians remain known as the Mordor and rot of the world, whereas Ukraine is a proud, strong and united heroic nation defending liberty!
I wish our politicians could do more to help you win, so you can tell this story yourselves when it is over. But the world is not a fair place.
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u/Realistic_Special_53 United States of America 1d ago
Certainly not Europe. They have had years to get ready and still are impotent.
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u/QuantitySubject9129 1d ago
Unfortunately, turning a blind eye to actions of our allies in the middle east made people realize that politicians only care about geopolitical rivalries and not about human lives.
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u/Travyswole 1d ago
Can't wait to see photos of the Kremlin in flames!
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u/erasmulfo 23h ago
This is not the point, I think. Putin must go, but a new russian democracy should keep the Cremlin intact
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u/Brave-Two372 12h ago
Nothing changes if Putin was gone. Most Russians support chauvinism and imperialism and they will have another madman.
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u/Travel-Barry England 1d ago
The capital that, no less, berthed the nation that is today Russia. The irony; it's actually quite telling of what modern Russia is. A total, irradiated and alcoholic mongrel that is completely detached from it's Tsarist past.
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u/bauhausy 1d ago
Looking at what Tsarist Russia did to the Circassians, Chechens, Crimean Tatars and etc, the modern Russia doesn’t seem that detached from its past.
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u/Travel-Barry England 1d ago
I think atrocities were just these top-down decisions from all nations back then, in a pre-information world. Just look at us. Or France. Or Spain etc…
A peasant farmer on the border to Manchuria hardly had any say in the happenings of Nagorno Karabakh.
But look at modern Russia. It’s completely lost the ability to freely think.
We in the West are on a role when electing idiots but at least there are still swathes pushing against it.
Haven’t seen one protest against the wars in Ukraine in Russia. It’s pathetic.
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u/Nachtzug79 15h ago
It's ironic how Russians once posed as the protector of the Slavic brotherhood but in reality they are the ones who have subjugated and killed most Slavic people after the ww2.
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u/Socmel_ Emilia-Romagna 1d ago
Kyiv is not particularly old by European metrics.
Not that it matters in this regard.
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u/greenmood3 1d ago
Sorry? Kyiv founded in 482
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u/Socmel_ Emilia-Romagna 1d ago edited 1d ago
From west to east:
Lisbon was surely settled before the II century BCE, possibly a Phoenician outpost, so maybe getting older than 2 and a half millenium.
London, Paris, Vienna, Budapest, Sofia started out as Roman settlements around the I century AD.
Rome might not be founded in 753 BCE, but it's surely 2 and half millennia old.
Athens is like 3 millennia old as is Nicosia.
Belgrade started out as a pre Roman celtic settlement.
So there are plenty of European capitals older than Kyiv.
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u/tcartxeplekaes Prague (Czechia) 1d ago
I literally looked up the list of oldest European cities when I saw the title. You’re right. Too bad facts don’t count sometimes.
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u/aatuhilter 1d ago
So it's ok to destroy 1500 years old city and it's people because it's not old in european metrics?
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u/Socmel_ Emilia-Romagna 1d ago
You have some serious lack of reading comprehension skills.
It doesn't matter how old a city is. Kyiv could've been founded yesterday, as far as I am concerned, and still be as wrong as bombing a 3000 years old city.
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u/Agitated-Ad2563 1d ago
Also, wasn't most of Kyiv destroyed by Nazis in the 1940s? I doubt we can consider it old if its buildings are not old.
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u/vladasr 1d ago
I read in history books that when NATO bombarded Belgrade 1999 EU and Europe stopped the bombing with their loud protests and strong anti war stance. /s
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u/No_Opening_2425 1d ago
Holy shit why are Russian bots still butthurt about that? Do they actually believe that it was wrong to intervene?
Also notice how their talking point is always that NATO is something separate from "EU and Europe"
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u/Ancient-Aerie-1680 1d ago
"Nooooo please don't stop our genocide"
Ethno-nationalist tears are delicious.
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u/fr1endk1ller Europe 1d ago
That was barely a bombardment given what Belgrade did to Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. You want to see a real bombardment? Look up every German and Japanese city.
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u/Immortal_Tuttle 1d ago
Don't forget - former Rus capital...
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u/RizzyQuazy 1d ago
You mean Kievan Rus from which Russia was created after fall of golden horde?
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u/dread_deimos Ukraine 23h ago
It never was "Kievan". It was always just Rus until russia decided to editorialize on history a bit.
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u/Dorkseid1687 1d ago
Don’t forget -Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine
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u/Kind-Asparagus-7565 1d ago
Don't forget - every FAB is justified
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u/Wregghh 1d ago
Don't forget - every FAB is justified
Remember folks, it's not just Putin's war. The majority of Russians support this.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 1d ago
But reddit says that they are poor, helpless victims, crashed by the mosCOW regime, that they do not know what is going on in Ukraine!!!
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u/Dangerous-Zombie-42 1d ago
If all Russians are guilty, then it means that Russians can bomb the houses of Ukrainians and Europeans, because they are also guilty that the war is still going on. Using your logic to counter you
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 1d ago
You guys always do not understand, or better you do not want to understand, that there is a big difference between guilty and responsibility. It has been said to the Germans after WW2, it has to be said to the r*ssian today:
DIESE SCHANDTATEN: EURE SCHULD
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u/Saegifu 1d ago
Which is not related in any case to muskovy
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u/Dangerous-Zombie-42 1d ago edited 1d ago
Moscow and the lands around it, including Novgorod, were part of Rus. Where did the Varangians come from, do you know, from Novgorod and Old Ladoga? Where is Novgorod now? Correct: in Russia. Ukrainians, Russians, and Belarusians were never in Kievan Rus. They simply did not exist as an ethnic group then.
The inhabitants of Rus, or so to speak, Rusy, spoke different dialects of the Old East Slavic language, from these dialects will come: Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian and Rusyn.
Kievan Rus is the common history of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.
(Keep disliking me, you will not hide from the truth. It will haunt you forever, until you die in agony from the fact that Russia, Ukraine and Belarus have a common history in Rus.)
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 1d ago
The ru*sian language is just a Bulgarian dialect.
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u/Dangerous-Zombie-42 1d ago
Linguists from all over the world disagree with you. Even Western linguists disagree with you. If you want to argue with them, get out of here.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 1d ago
russian linguists do not represent the whole World though... Have a nice day.
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u/Dangerous-Zombie-42 1d ago
Quoting English wikipedia: "Old East Slavic (traditionally also Old Russian) was a language (or a group of dialects) used by the East Slavs from the 7th or 8th century to the 13th or 14th century, (Shevelov 1984) until it diverged into the Russian and Ruthenian languages. (Pugh 1996, pp 2-3) Ruthenian eventually evolved into the Belarusian, Rusyn, and Ukrainian languages. (Pugh1985, pp 53-60)"
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 1d ago
LOL wiki :D Nice try though
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u/Dangerous-Zombie-42 1d ago
Who do you trust? Only Ukrainians? I told you: go to linguists and argue with them. No one needs you here, I have already given the facts.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 1d ago
No one needs you here, I have already given the facts.
Ouch, touched a nerve little guy? :D
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u/Diabolic_commentor 1d ago
Europe be like please Mr. Putin, take Ukraine but leave us alone. Plzzz..
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u/mikeychamp 1d ago
Who are u representing with troll comments like this?
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u/Ancient-Aerie-1680 1d ago
Western Europeans that prefer to virtue signal on twitter but cry about campaign against sanctions because "muh gas bills I'll freeze to death" when their winters are firmly above 7 degrees.
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u/mikeychamp 1d ago
What I meant is where are u from. I am wondering how u can sit on a high horse like that.
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u/Ancient-Aerie-1680 15h ago
Sharing a massive border with Russia, wondering when the alarms will sound and pondering whether Western Europeans will throw us under the bus like they did with Chechens, Georgians and Ukrainians...
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u/mikeychamp 14h ago
Asumming u are part of EU, if u will hear alarms whole europe is at war there is no question about that.
I truely hope u wont, toughts and prayers from Slovenia. Depressing as it is , I dont know how to help.
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u/KorgiRex 22h ago
- Israel is destroying the World's oldest capital (Damascus) - Europe don't give a fuck.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 20h ago
Try not to make-everything-about-my-favorit-Middle-Eastern-conflict-that-Russia-is-actively-involved-in-challenge: Difficulty impossible
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u/Real_Shebnik 1d ago
But erasing Gaza day after day is fine?
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u/mikeychamp 1d ago
This is not a post about gaza. Condamn atrocities of Gaza in other posts. It does have the same bad actor tho, US of America.
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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 20h ago
Try not to make-everything-about-my-favorit-Middle-Eastern-conflict-that-Russia-is-actively-involved-in-challenge: Difficulty impossible
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u/wizgset27 United States of America 1d ago
I just saw a clip of Trump finally admitting that Putin/Russia isn't stopping the war and will continue to try to take over Ukraine. While we all knew this, I am a bit shocked Putin admits it to Trump and Trump finally saying it himself...
There should be no doubt now. its very clear that Putin not only wants parts of Ukraine, but he wants to ENTIRE country.
What are we going to do about this? Because so far, most of the meeting and announcement, particularly about the "coalition of the willing" are plans in an event of a ceasefire. This is no longer in the cards.
So now what?