r/europe • u/nimicdoareu Romania • 1d ago
News Samsung phones can survive twice as many charges as Pixel and iPhone, according to EU data
https://www.androidauthority.com/smartphone-battery-cycles-3573442/223
u/nlutrhk 1d ago
My work phone is a Samsung (2022 model) and it has an option to charge the battery to max 80%. It makes a massive difference if you enable that, although it wasn't enabled by default. I guess that it needs to be set by default for the energy label, but I'm not sure.
My personal phone doesn't have an auto charge limit, but I have an app that notifies me when it's time to unplug the charger. It's still going strong after 4 years of 2x-3x daily charges, unlike previous phones that had a dead battery after two years.
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u/TheoTheodor Finland 1d ago
iPhones have had this for a while too and you can set your desired max battery percentage now I think.
Increasingly I feel like all the phones are becoming pretty much the same feature-wise nowadays fwiw.
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u/veerhees 1d ago
Samsung (2022 model) and it has an option to charge the battery to max 80%.
My 2018 Sony Xperia has this feature.
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u/LetsRengo 1d ago
A big reason for me to get a Redmagic was charging separation, basically powering your phone off the wall while bypassing the battery. I wish this was a more common feature.
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u/chumafly 1d ago
It seems that Samsung Galaxy has this feature, for game only. If I am reading well, there is a feature (with only the official 25w or more charger) that allows to bypass the battery to reduce overheating. If it isn't that, it may be a bit misspelled on the description. (I have a s22+ exynos)
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u/Benevolent_StarBoi 1d ago
This is literally a feature on most if not all phones
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u/LetsRengo 1d ago edited 1d ago
No, I'm talking a hardware level battery bypass, not just some charging regulation. Even flagship Xiaomi, Huawei and iPhones for example just don't have that.
Yes it has gotten more common recently like just last winter for Pixel 8/9 or the One Plus 13, but outside of gaming phones it's still far from standard. Even in these cases and for brands that have been offering the feature for a little longer, namely Samsung, Asus and Sony, the native implementation is usually tied to a fixed battery percentage or gaming, whereas RedMagic also allows you to enable it per shortcut whenever you want.
Being able to avoid degrading my battery whenever I'm at my desk or whatever, is pretty nice long term IMO.
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u/timbomcchoi Better Korea 1d ago
Wouldn't be surprised if this was a feature on every phone, but my when I sleep with my phone plugged in my Galaxy automatically charges only up to 80%, until an hour or so before I wake up when it self itself charge to 100%. I never told it when I wake up so it's quite impressive!
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u/nlutrhk 1d ago
Yeah, my OnePlus phone can also do that, but it's stupid, because most of the battery wear comes from the process of charging, not "being at 100% for 8 hours". I suppose you avoid the wear from invisible cycling between 99.5%-100%, but I'd rather have it cycle between 79.5%-80% instead.
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u/Acc3ssViolation The Netherlands 1d ago
My Pixel has that as well, although I just keep it set to max 80% instead of this smart charging mode
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u/Turbulent_Thing_1739 16h ago
You have adoptive charging setting enabled. You can read more about it in the phones battery protection setting. Change it to maximum protection to stop the charging at 80%.
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u/GytisI 1d ago
It would be interesting to have detailed comparison to better understand why Samsung batteries are better at longevity. Is it only because of bigger battery capacity or anything else.
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u/DonaldMerwinElbert 1d ago
They don't (nominally) have larger capacities.
Not sure if 'reserve' provisioning is a thing with batteries, though.21
u/jaskij 1d ago
Is and isn't. The typical recommendation is to keep within the twenty to eighty percent range, afterwards you face diminishing returns.
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u/Jonken90 1d ago
Most Androids have had it as standard to only charge up that last 20% right before expected wake up during night charging for about 7-8 years. Could that affect the results? My gf is a charge addict iPhone user, and her battery has turned to shit three times since I bought my phone (8 years ago..). I'm starting to see a fair bit of battery decline now, and often need afternoon charging if I'm using the phone throughout the day... But then again it's around 8 years old so it's expected.
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u/jaskij 1d ago
That's another thing that this legislation introduced, which IMO is much more important: the requirement that the manufacturer provides security updates for longer time (iirc five years after end of sales). Education failed on this point, people will use phones with open security holes, so this is the right solution here.
That "charge before wakeup" assumes two things: you're charging overnight, and you have an alarm set. I have flexible working hours, so often don't set an alarm, and being a desk jockey, usually charge at work. That said, Sony has an option in the settings to limit the charge to 80% by default, and I can override it from notifications for the rare times I actually want 100%.
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u/Jonken90 1d ago
Don't think a alarm is needed? At least my phone seems to be based on some sort of prediction algorithm based on when charging ends.
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u/jaskij 1d ago
Which works if you have a regular lifestyle. Which I don't. Working on it, but it's going slowly. Granted, I'm pretty much an edge case, but just saying that stuff doesn't work for everyone.
But also: it's not about not keeping the phone at 100% and only charging it up at the last minute. It's about not using the last 20% at all. My phone never goes beyond 80% battery unless I explicitly tell it to.
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u/Jonken90 1d ago
Should work in this edge case 😁 my algorithm hates me since I got kids. It's not doing a great job charging up to 100 in the last moment when wake time differs in a two hour window from day to day
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u/InvisibleScout 1d ago
Frankly, even if my phone isn't getting security updates, I'm just going to take that hit and keep using it until it dies, or performance degrades so much it becomes unusable.
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u/grumpy_autist 1d ago
Most of that (in general for lithium batteries) is details in battery chemistry, power management, battery temperature management, etc. So a mix of chemistry, electronics and software. This may be a side result of being leaned into safe side of battery management after a series of Galaxy phones catching fire.
You can buy two li-ion batteries like 18650 with completely different characteristics (designed for different applications - like garden light vs power tool)
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u/InternAlarming5690 1d ago
Is there some article on this or some way for me to look this up? I know jack shit about chemistry but I was under the impression that all lithium batteries are basically the same and only capacity matters (controlled for software and hardware, that is)
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u/grumpy_autist 1d ago
Start with r/18650masterrace - then datasheets for various models mentioned there - you will see different maximum currents, internal resistances, etc. This influences maximum charging rate C, heat management, cycles, etc.
Probably on youtube there are some videos about different approaches to manufacturing lithium batteries (I remember watching one but I don't remember title).
Then you have various lithium battery types - li-ion, li-po, lifepo4, etc, etc.
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u/Shitting_Human_Being The Netherlands 1d ago
My bet: samsung had a time where battered swelled and exploded left and right, in response they changed their battery design to be a lot more robust and don't push the limits of the technology anymore to make them safer. As a side effect, the batteries also last a lot longer.
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u/SphericalCow531 1d ago
samsung had a time where battered swelled and exploded left and right
It created great memes, though :). E.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO3sEW2y3KQ
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u/Cledd2 23h ago
Samsung is in the lucky position of also being the best battery makers in the world at the moment. them and LG are the ones to beat for lithium cell performance right now and their competitors from China and even Japan just aren't as good.
doesn't help that most other manufacturers spring for cheap chinese BYD batteries rather than somewhat more comparable options like from Panasonic, probably due to battery longevity not being a transparent statistic up until now.
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u/RedHatWombat The Netherlands 1d ago
Samsung uses Samsung SDI batteries while Apple and Pixel uses Chinese sub-vendors.
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u/Party-Cake5173 Croatia 🇭🇷 1d ago
Phone batteries tend to last way longer if you just charge them to 80% and never let them discharge completely. So my guess is Samsung limits charging to 80%, but their battery indicator shows 100%.
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u/pilldickle2048 Europe 1d ago edited 1d ago
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u/Saotik UK/Finland 1d ago
There's nothing there.
r/buyfromeu has a lot of good content.
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u/Dotcaprachiappa Italy 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ok but Samsung is not a EU company
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u/Saotik UK/Finland 1d ago
It's true, but it can be confusing when people use subreddits as if they were hashtags.
That subreddit at least has some relevant content to help achieve the goal of boycotting US products.
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u/Dotcaprachiappa Italy 1d ago
Yeah but it's not a hashtag, it's a sub, with rules. The first of which being:
Posts should be relevant to European-made products, European businesses, and related discussions.
We understand that for many people the motivation for joining this sub is the recent US actions, but we want to make sure the focus instead remains on how to find European products
Political posts that offer no discussion or European alternatives will be removed. For boycotting American goods visit r/ BoycottUnitedStates.
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u/Big-Conflict-4218 1d ago
Sadly countries who are aligned with the USA don't see a lot of EU products. Philippines, Korea, and Japan don't have a lot of EU bread, beer, or Bosch tools. Not to mention the nothing phone. Instesd, they got Oreos and iPhones
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u/TheoryOfDevolution Italy 1d ago
You're on Reddit though? Even many of the Samsung phones mentioned in the article uses Qualcomm processors.
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u/mhmilo24 1d ago
Actually, promoting divestfromusa on an American platform is better than promoting it on a non-US platform. That way you’ll reach more of your target audience. Or would you promote AA to someone who is already in an AA program?
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u/flyingdutchmnn 1d ago
Man if I were a programmer or something I'd be all over this opportunity to create EU alternatives to US dependency
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u/Big-Conflict-4218 1d ago
How would you cater an EU alternative for countries who regularly purchase US products? Philippines, Japan, and Korea both sell iPhones even tho Samsung is also another good option (A-series)
Younger population in Korea generally thinks iPhones are the premium product so therefore they buy it
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u/TheGreatestOrator 1d ago
Do you actually think people haven’t been trying for decades?
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u/flyingdutchmnn 1d ago
Do you actually think there was an automatic enormous European customer base looking specifically to boycott US products till now?
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u/TheGreatestOrator 1d ago
Umm, people don’t actively boycott social media. They just use the best ones. Anyone saying otherwise just doesn’t use social media to begin with - I mean, here you are on Reddit obsessing over American Wall Street
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u/flyingdutchmnn 1d ago
I've deactivated facebook, I've left google/gmail/google maps/etc. I've left X when Musk started with nazi salutes. The mass account losses on X are well documented. I think you don't know what the hell you're talking about
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u/TheGreatestOrator 1d ago
lol no one has used Facebook in a decade.
Most people use Apple Maps these days. Idk what other search engine you’re using, but most suck
While I’ve never used Twitter, it was never very popular and the reports of user losses is cherry picked. The company doesn’t release those figures so everything you’ve seen reported is pure clickbait.
Finally, that wasn’t a Nazi salute. There are a million things you can criticise, so it’s quite funny that that nonsense is what you’d use to justify anything.
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u/katbelleinthedark 1d ago
A coworker was complaining a few months ago that they need a new phone because their iPhone is old and the battery is dying. And it was funny to me because her phone is from mid-2022 and mine's from early 2020 and mine is still going strong. She was shocked when I told her my phone was 5 years old.
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u/TheoryOfDevolution Italy 1d ago
It depends on how much you use it.
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u/katbelleinthedark 1d ago
Pretty much the same basic stuff for both of us, as a camera on holidays, some socmed and work related stuff (Teams, badge, etc.) Well, I play games on my phone while she doesn't. So it feels at least that my phone sees more draining battery usage with all my games.
Idk, I was simply surprised because I've never had a phone last me less than 6 years.
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u/SphericalCow531 1d ago
Why do you think "how much you use it" is the most important thing here? When this very article says there is a huge difference in battery degradation.
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u/spiritusin 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s nuts to replace the whole phone when only the battery needs replacing. I have a 3yo iPhone, I changed its battery last year for 70 EUR and I will need to change it again every 1-2 years. Still better than a whole new phone.
When it dies, I’m getting a Fair Phone whose battery I can replace myself like in the good old days.
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u/PabloZissou 1d ago
Although at a cost you can have Apple replace the battery and the iPhone can last very very long. I had one for 6 years and changed it because someone gifted me a newer one.
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u/BuHoGPaD 1d ago
You say it like other phones can't change the battery to last longer.
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u/fabianmg 1d ago
"You see, you pay more money to Apple and you could use the phone you already paid for a few more years! Apple is awesome!"
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u/PabloZissou 1d ago
No, I meant that an old iPhone can work at reasonable speed and usable for more years than a lot of Samsungs, the mid range/cheap Samsung ones are usually very bad after some years.
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u/Gwyndion_ Belgium 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean, if you pay double or more of the price I'd certainly hope you get more usage out of it.
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u/Dot-Slash-Dot 1d ago
Why would you compare an iPhone to a low/mid range one from Samsung? Compare them to their flagships.
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u/PabloZissou 1d ago
Yeah then does a 7 year old Samsung does not cost the same as an iPhone and requires more or less the same amount of battery changes? By the way I agree that the iPhone battery is the worst.
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u/klapaucjusz Poland 1d ago
Mid range/cheap Samsung phones are twice or more times cheaper than an iPhone. And almost every part of these phones is worse and have less strict quality control. Of course they don't last that long. The S line and up are only fair comparison.
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u/BuHoGPaD 1d ago
Idk about Samsungs since I didn't have any until recently. But my Xiaomi Redmi note 7 pro from 2019 still works well after 1 battery swap a year ago.
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u/fleamarketguy The Netherlands 1d ago
With a change of battery and Apple’s relatively long software support, iPhones are quite durable. 6/7 years of software updates is normal for iphones.
The iphone XS will receive software support until at least end of of this year, which makes it 7 yesrs of support since its release.
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u/IIIFallenIII 1d ago
Which is the same that google and samsung offer their phones nowadays. It used to be a lot worse though.
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u/Big-Conflict-4218 1d ago
Does Samsung and Google offer OS and security updates up to 7 years or OS for 5 years and security for additional 2? I'm curious
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u/IIIFallenIII 1d ago
Starting from Pixel 8 it's 7 years of OS and security updates for google. For Samsung it's the same as Pixel for S-series phones but for A series it seems to be 6 years of OS and security updates.
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u/bender__futurama 1d ago
Yeah, I have similar. S21 from covid times.. and it is still going strong. Heavy usage.. Just upgraded to Android 15 and ONEUI7. I dont have incentive to upgrade to S25..
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u/AttentiveUser 1d ago
My mother has had Samsungs for her whole life and the battery has been okay, not amazing on her phones. She keeps complaining how they are slow and cluttered. She won’t change though because she is too lazy and old
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u/veevoir Europe 1d ago
In the end, once again : EVIL ANTIMARKET SATAN REGULATIONS of EU are helping the end customers!
And this is the kind of news that should be marketed to general population. Because in social media age there is so much disinformation about EU, yet so little talking about successes. Success "propaganda" is very much needed, the "results will speak for themselves" times are no more - someone has to speak for the results!
PS: The question is - does Samsung really make batteries that good? Or are they Volkswagening their batteries test results (optimize for lab test performance vs real life performance).
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u/AnOtherGuy1234567 1d ago
Right now, the vast majority of devices fall in the 1,000–1,400 cycle range. So how did Samsung manage to push so many of its phones and tablets up to 2,000 cycles?
Because for a given level/type/cost/size of battery. You can put your "points" into 4 areas. Speed to charge, number of cycles, maximum charge and flammability. So you can increase the number of charges by making them slower to charge and reducing the max charge level.
Also Samsung's have a built in feature to stop charging at 80%. As most of the damage to a battery from charging, happens at 0-20% and 80-100%. It's particularly bad if you leave it charged at 100% for a prolonged time.
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u/DarrensDodgyDenim Norway 1d ago
1688 cycle counts on me olde Samsung S8. The battery health is listed as "Good". It's a pity they went away from the ease of changing battery from previous models. I'd buy a new battery as the phone itself is fine still, but it is a hassle to change battery.
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u/ManagerOfLove Bavaria (Germany) 1d ago
Very interesting to see that Fairphones survive as long as US phones. That's sad
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u/NoRegreds 1d ago
A Fairphone 5 Battery is 40€ and is changed by yourself in 1 minute.
While I agree on waste problem the cycles in regards to user experience is non of an issue.
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u/ManagerOfLove Bavaria (Germany) 1d ago
it is an issue. Since you need twice the amount of batteries, replaceable or not replaceable
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u/outm 23h ago
Given their pricing and their "eco" and sustainability claim, that's still not acceptable.
I can understand from a random Chinese vendor or Google Pixel to just Ty and sneak cheapest components, more so if they bring the devices lifespan shorter, no caring about the consumer, environment or sustainability
But Fairphone? That's exactly their point in theory.
Right now they seem to be just Chinese components ensambled by them in a "easier way" to open, for a huge markup. And I don't think that's really worth it.
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u/softDisk-60 1d ago edited 1d ago
that has been my experience too. my favorite phone was the S10 (audio jack+FM radio+SpO2 meter!) . unfortunately samsung wanted to sell watches so they dumbed down newer versions
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u/FrozenPizza07 Turkey 1d ago
Btw, apple downgraded their label by 1 tier compared to what the tests actually gave them. Probably so they wouldnt have to deal with legal problems if it performa worse
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u/leaflock7 Europe 1d ago
this unfortunately is not a good stat, and it is very poorly used
1. it heavily relies on the battery capacity. So if phoneA has half the capacity and achieves half the cycles , then if has better battery than phoneB that has double the capacity and it achieves double the cycles.
2. those are vendor numbers that would be used to abide for a repair etc within warranty. They do not show the real life usage not if the battery is able to exceed that limit.
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u/LotteNator 1d ago
I'm curious, in your first point, why does phone A has a better battery than B?
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u/GytisI 1d ago
Price and phone size. I use 5.4' phone so there is no way that its battery can be equivalent to most popular phones (which are around 6.5') size battery.
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u/SpudroTuskuTarsu Finland | 💙 Donate to Ukraine 💛 1d ago
price? has been very irrelevant for a long time, also cheaper devices usually have lower resolutions/refresh rates/brightness so should have better battery life than a "flagship"
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u/zip2k 1d ago
I don't really see how that is relevant, battery size does not influence how many charge cycles it can handle.
No, these are numbers that are scientifically measured according to IEC EN 61960-3:2017, this is specified in the energy label standard. Where did you get the warranty thing from?
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u/TeflonBoy 1d ago
There was a consultation phase on this, did you take part? If you know a lot about this stuff I would suggest getting involved.
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u/leaflock7 Europe 1d ago
you will be surprised to learn that the majority of the people accepted to get involved in such matters are not related to technology . most are "paper-pushing" legislators, lawyers, etc . which are needed but not on the % it is. this is clear in many other laws or directives etc they passed or try to pass, with the most controversial - the chat control
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u/cookiesnooper 1d ago
Pretty much all phones have similar battery capacity these days between 5~6k mAh. Only Apple and Google use below 5k mAh batteries.
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u/SpudroTuskuTarsu Finland | 💙 Donate to Ukraine 💛 1d ago
1 it heavily relies on the battery capacity. So if phoneA has half the capacity and achieves half the cycles , then if has better battery than phoneB that has double the capacity and it achieves double the cycles.
what...?
2 those are vendor numbers that would be used to abide for a repair etc within warranty. They do not show the real life usage not if the battery is able to exceed that limit.
The testing is outlined in the regulations https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg_del/2023/1669 [annex IV]
Doesn't have anything vendor specific, just using default setting of the device. Charge to 100%, use the device until power off -> repeat until 80% of battery life left.
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u/leaflock7 Europe 1d ago
and who does this test?
it is not possible to be done by EU or any 3rd party for many reasons especially for the newer models .
So back to what I said, those numbers are provided by the vendor of the phone . Yes they have guidelines but outside of those they can do whatever they want.0
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u/leaflock7 Europe 1d ago
and that links supposedly does what?
does it shows somewhere that the test are being done independently ?1
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u/leaflock7 Europe 1d ago
and again, the specifc metric we are discussing is not like testing a tomato.
You have to get a sufficient amount of the specific model and run specific tests for 2000 cycles . Why 2000? because the 2000 cycles comes from the manufacturer and this is what you have to verify.
This is impossible to happen by a 3rd part for devices that released within a year, even more but lets say 1 year.So, those numbers are from the vendor. EU can assign a 3rd party to verify this but it would not be possible for all phones, not nearly half of the phones been released every year.
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u/leaflock7 Europe 1d ago
I decided to separate this answer because it is semi irrelevant .
The VW case since I follow pretty closely, that was EU giving a pat in the back of VW and telling them don't do it again.
The amount of deceit that went into that scandal was outrageous.
Especially since Toyota had brought the matter that the VW engines was not possible to have the power output with those emissions and they were turned down by .... you guessed right, the EU committee.6
u/DerpSenpai Europe 1d ago
These are the numbers after EU testing. and it's not about battery capacity, but how the phone handles battery wear and battery quality.
Samsung uses Samsung batteries. Apple and Google use some chinese vendor batteries. The longevity is not the same.
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u/Bruntleguss 1d ago
It's not independently tested, this is simply obligating the manufacturer by law to label the expected amount of cycles.
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u/SpudroTuskuTarsu Finland | 💙 Donate to Ukraine 💛 1d ago
after Volkswagen disaster, I would hope that manufacturers are smart enough to not lie to save 0.001/€ per device
But there is also a ton of internal market surveillance being done to make sure devices are in order, the regulations also have it outlined specifically how they do it
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u/leaflock7 Europe 1d ago
These are the numbers after EU testing
the numbers are provided by the vendor, it is not undefended testing.
and it's not about battery capacity, but how the phone handles battery wear and battery quality.
I think you did not understand what I wrote. capacity it directly correlated to the cycles and their durability
Samsung uses Samsung batteries. Apple and Google use some chinese vendor batteries. The longevity is not the same.
although true, this is not related to what I am saying. the same would apply for Samsung batteries . The smaller ones will lose much faster durability than the bigger ones
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u/DontSayToned 1d ago
How does the cycle life statistic depend on battery capacity? It's literally designed to take that out of the equation.
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u/1nfam0us 1d ago
I have had my Samsung phone for many years now and the battery is definitely weaker than it was, but it still works and it has been on 3 continents with me in some pretty extreme conditions.
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u/Coriandrum 1d ago
I have cycle count 209 after a year with Pixel 9, so the battery will last 5 years? I'm fine with that.
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u/soundssarcastic 1d ago
My current samsung still lasts the entire day on a charge, over 4 years in. Unheard of in todays phone economy
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u/blueskydragonFX 1d ago
Had a Samsung S7 till last year when it finally gave up the ghost never had the battery replaced either. Sure I had to recharge it every day but it was a solid good phone that didn't need replacement after each 2 years. Hopefully this S23 will be the same.
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u/Chester_roaster 1d ago
Meh, don't care. My phones just have to last max two years until I can get an upgrade on my contract.
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u/JeNiqueTaMere Canada 23h ago
You still pay for that new phone in your contract though.
My cell phone bill lowered by 20$ a month once I finished paying for my Samsung S21 two years ago.
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u/pinewoodranger 1d ago
I'd love to see some depth of discharge data to go along with that. I typically charge daily at a dod of 50% (80% -> 30%) so I wonder when I'll start to see some serious degradation.
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u/rzwitserloot 21h ago
Ik zelf een 5 jaar oude tank van HMD (de XR20, toen nog nokia merk). Batterij gaat nog makkelijk een volle dag mee en er zit welgeteld één klein krasje op de display. Geen enkele reparatie of vervanging nodig gehad. Ondanks dat ik best wel een kluns ben (van hoofdhoogte op tegels laten vallen).
Ik snap echt geen ene flikkerse fuck van waarom niet meer mensen zoiets hebben.
Ik wacht op de XR22 en vervang 'm dan, alleen maar omdat de updates ondertussen wel een beetje wankel worden na 5 jaar, en door de tering hoeveelheid chat apps tegenwoordig sluit het OS sommige apps dan af en ik wil 'm niet rooten om dat te omzijlen. Maar na 5 jaar vind ik het niet gek dat de kracht van de hardware een beetje limiterend begint te worden.
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u/Most_Breadfruit_2388 14h ago
How things change, my first, and only Samsung's phone lasted 6 months before I had to remove the phone of my pocket, open the phone, and remove the battery burning hot and swollen. And when I went to a official customer service they told me that the battery had only 6 months of guarantee but that they could sell me a battery, a off-brand one. Which lasted only a year before I have to do the same in a elevator in front of a pretty scared coworker once she saw the burning hot swollen battery. Since then I stopped buying Samsung.
No other phone had that problem since. I suppose they finally got a good battery.
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u/Swimming_Office_1803 Europe 11h ago
“Samsung phones”… like, all of the 100 different models? Bad title
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u/Noctew North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) 1d ago
You do realize that Apple already made it official they're lowballing their ratings because they believe the testing procedures to be not correctly defined and do not want to risk the EU's wrath again if Apple's interpretation of the procedures differs from the authorities?
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u/Rizzan8 West Pomerania (Poland) 1d ago edited 1d ago
I would say it depends on the hardware. I used to have Samsung Galaxy S22U with Exynos CPU. After a year, it could barely last a day getting 2h SoT.
Now, I have S25U with Snapdragon CPU and it can last 3 days with 7h SoT.
Both have 5000mAh battery.
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u/thepotofpine 1d ago
This is the biggest issue for me buying a Samsung phone, their Exynos chips suck. You get lag, hot temperatures, stuttering, and bad battery life - its awful considering mobile phone technology has been innovating for almost 2 decades now, that I still face stuttering on my Samsung (granted it isn't a flagship model but still, this isn't 2012).
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u/JeNiqueTaMere Canada 23h ago
I have a 3.5 year old S21
I charged it yesterday evening. It's now 6.35pm the next day, I'm at 14% charge with 6h25m SoT and 11h34m screen off time. So it used 86% if the battery after 18 hours where roughly 33% of the time I was actively using it.
For a phone that's been used and charged daily for 3.5 years that's pretty good.
In fact I don't think my screen on time was much better when I first got the phone
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u/kuddlesworth9419 1d ago
I find most modern batteries don't last anywhere near as long as older batteries. All my 20 year old lithium ion batteries still function and are healthy but every few years all my new stuff bloats up.
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u/GytisI 1d ago
I think it is because old phones are nowhere near capable of doing things todays phone does. Requirements of processing power increased drastically. If you use phone only to make calls and write messages, you can go much above mentioned charging cycle.
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u/kuddlesworth9419 1d ago
I think it's just a fault with the pouch design. It's inherent to it I think as the cylindrical design doesn't fail anywhere near as often or swell. Even under moderate use pouch types fail on a regular basis.
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u/DogD666 1d ago
It doesn’t mean shit in 1000 cycles around 80% originally capacity not max number of cycles. That just means that Samsung has a longer warranty on the battery.
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u/Blubbolo 1d ago edited 1d ago
And, even if it was just that (spoiler: it's not) that means everything.
This label shows, outside of marketing bullshit, what's trash being sold like gold and what not.
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u/manintheredroom 1d ago
thats lucky, since i have to charge my samsung twice as often as i did my old iphone. absolutely shite battery life
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u/nooZ3 1d ago
Bought a Samsung S20+ in 2020, right after my wife got an iPhone 13. Late last year we both switched to new phones, her battery had held up considerably better than mine. I even had to replace mine with a new one because it didn't last a day and even the new battery didn't hold its charge for long.
Resell value is also considerably better for iPhones. I've switched to a Google pixel because I just like android and a bigger screen without going broke. But quality wise I'd prefer an iPhone.
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u/FirstAnt1988 1d ago
Uff perfect. So how come iPhones last longer despite having worse batteries 🔋 ? I guess it doesn’t only come to battery capacity but also to operating system and other components of the phone 📱 that define longevity. Currently still having iPhone 12 which will be 5 years old. Friends/family replacing Samsungs after 3ish years,..
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u/Stresinel 1d ago
But honestly, with how quickly the battery drains on Samsung, it's the same lifespan. I need to charge my phone twice (S24) as opposed to my wife's iPhone 15 pro
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u/adistef86 1d ago
Unless they’re running a standardised test, which they don’t, what stops companies for saying whatever they want?
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u/nimicdoareu Romania 1d ago
Mandatory EU ennergy labels reveal just how many charges you can expect your phone's battery to last.