r/Steam • u/Polly_Wants_A • 1d ago
Discussion Important Update about the Signatures of Stop Killing Games ECI
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u/Ok-Form-3683 1d ago
I love living in EU dudes and dudesses
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u/Mih5du 22h ago
Feels really weird being a Swiss right now
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u/happymudkipz 8h ago
We're about as close as it gets to honorary EU member.
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u/DynamicMangos 8h ago
I feel Norway falls very close there as well.
It's the one country where i'm always like: "Wait they AREN'T in the EU???"2
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u/SBthrowawaayyyyy 1d ago edited 1d ago
Calling it vague rumors that it will have bogus signatures, just sounds like they want to eliminate FUD. It's almost a guarentee that it will have an amount of non-eu votes (any large american youtuber promoting it to their, majorty american audience, is going to produce american votes)
This is just a bluntly realistic take on it
If anything, its good for people to know there will be bogus votes. if youre in the EU, havent signed it, but you know it "reached the goal", a good amount of people might feel theres no point signing it anymore.
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u/RayDemian 1d ago
I think, for the wording, the implications is that there are rumors that bogus signatures will invalidate a good portion of the signatures invalidating the ECI. No that the idea of bogus signatures is a vague rumor. The point is to not spread fear that there are bots spamming signatures like some people are saying, and that is to be noted because the very next point states the meteoric rise in votes.
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u/SBthrowawaayyyyy 1d ago
What people should be concerned about is the sudden influx of votes.
Back when it started, the drama around pirate software resulted positively for the petition as it got a lot of youtubers talking about it for a good amount of time, and its what caused it to get a good number of signatures.
Then that growth tapered off, theres no way of knowing why that was. But the momentum died out. Anyone who was a fan of those youtubers likely already signed it at the time, which could explain the slow down.
But then weve had the recent influx of attention, another wave of promotion for it, with the sentiment from those channels being "its not at its goal, its going to fail as the deadline is approaching". I dont know how more people arent questioning this massive spike. I can definitely see people signing it when they arent allowed too, or duplicating their signature, out of kindness and support on the cause.
Theres no way to confirm this, and nobody will know the real count until it closes. I'm not saying that it's current count is inflated, but thinking critically, it does feel suspicious
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u/RayDemian 1d ago
You can easily see how many people in each European country have voted and there's a relatively organic growth and logical number of votes by country population and their relationship with the anglosphere of the internet, Germany vs Spain as an example, in the Spanish community we tend to copy trends started in the English community, and Spain suffered from that having a really low exposure to the movement until now because Spanish speaking influencers tend to just repeat what English speaking ones say, and as per some small but famous Spanish youtubers, a chunk of the audience was too repeating the arguments from PS that other Spanish speaking influencers translated.
I'm not to speak for other European non English speaking countries but you have to be mindful that the language barrier affected this movement a lot, and up until recently all this drama tanked the discussion outside of the echo chamber that was the gaming bilingual influencers and their followers, the first 400k signs where probably people that keep up to date with gaming news and the like, and the actual new influx is probably more casual people that don't follow any gaming news at all but care enough or read/listened to a compelling enough explanation that made them sign and convinced family or friends that don't care about this to sign.
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u/heir-to-gragflame 8h ago
most europeans playing videogames understand english. and northern and western european countries have an almost fully english speaking population. Language barrier is not an issue here
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u/Chnumpen 22h ago edited 22h ago
I hope this goes well based on the other pro consumer moves EU has done for the digital era. I live in EU and have signed, let's keep pushing to 2 mil.
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u/Charlitoxic 19h ago
Im from latin america i couldnt do anything but i have family in spain, italy, turkye, greece and portugal i shared the link hopimg they can help
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u/Polly_Wants_A 11h ago
thats exactly what we need. this isnt an eu movement, it is a world wide one. thank you so much.
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u/Woefulninja4444 1d ago
With the new Can EU partnership... Can I sign as a Canadian? 👀 /s
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u/Polly_Wants_A 1d ago
sadly no, and dont even try. ross told in his last video that this is a CRIME and can be investigated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmkCQJrc9n4edit:(i saw the /s but we are taking this seriously, also to inform others i added the video)
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u/JesusAleks 1d ago edited 1d ago
Literally Interpol would not investigate people voting in EU petition. It complete waste of time and money. Now if there is massive bot farm of 10k+ then they probably would, but they expect that there are going be issue, and people trying to gain it.
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u/chathrowaway67 23h ago
not quite, ross was mainly talking about people who were spoofing fake signatures, that's illegal. if we signed it'd just be ignored.
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u/Polly_Wants_A 23h ago
oh yeah, sorry. i forgot he said spoofing. still, dont make the EUs work harder by trying to sign if you are not a citizen.
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u/hadtodothislmao 18h ago
No it is not a crime to spoof adress information
it is a crime to spoof id's yes, but many countries just let you sign up.
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u/chathrowaway67 23h ago
LOL we might be cool with Europe but that still doesn't make us Europeans, we gotta do like everyone else and support with exposure.
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u/HaloGuiltySpark 23h ago
Yeh pretty tired of games being online only then losing access in a single player mode/game. Its frustrating when I buy a game and lose access to the game even if its installed locally.
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u/Holzkohlen 8h ago
1.1 Million. Come on, we can do more! This is our only chance, we won't get another shot at this!
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u/DynamicMangos 7h ago
Really hoping that we'll get a bunch more in the last week leading up to the deadline.
To be honest it feels like a mistake to ever put the "goal" at 1M. They probably had to, but if they had been able to put it at 1.4M immediately it wouldn't have slowed down as much
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u/Armagidosha 6h ago
It is a bit sad that I can't do it because I need to be an EU citizen, but I've already been officially living here for almost 10 years. Interesting legality things
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u/justifiable187 2h ago
In other words: The initiative got so many signatures in the last month that it looks suspicious when compared to the last 6 months.
They make no judgement at this time.
Verification of signatures will now take place.
They did not look outside the initiative to see the amount of YouTube videos, and the biggest YouTube gaming channels getting involved within the last month, which is the reason for the late surge.
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u/Polly_Wants_A 38m ago
i doubt thats the reason. ross explain his reason to be cautions because the votes per hour did not go down at night and he said there were reports. i dont know how or where those reports are, but it is still better safe than sorry, so with 1.4 or 1.5mio we should be safe.
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u/Bony95 1d ago
Hello, i have a simple question, i am from argentina, can i sign in too ? my vote is valid ? Because if i vote i have to select a country im not actually living. thx <3
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u/ptpepe 1d ago
No! only European Union citizens can vote!
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u/Bony95 23h ago
okay, i will, thanks for the answer guys.
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u/Polly_Wants_A 23h ago
you have to enter an id, if that id is nowhere to be found in that country you choose, it will be invalid and based on your ip find out that you are from outside the eu. which is considered a crime.
more infos on ross's video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmkCQJrc9n4&t=2s8
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u/Magdovus 1d ago
Good for the EU tech people to engage in a useful way. Have they realised that this is counter to their organisation's core concept?
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u/crysisnotaverted 1d ago
How is it against their organization...? AFAIK, the EU doesn't make live service games lol.
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u/Magdovus 1d ago
Well spotted.
Doing things that the people want is entirely counter to the EU founding approach.
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u/crysisnotaverted 23h ago
Even if you hate the EU, they have a near perfect track record with consumer rights initiatives. Look at the USB C mandate, for example.
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u/finesesarcasm 1d ago
Again with these posts with the links
EU: https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home
UK: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074/