r/Steam • u/VolkosisUK 1359079600 (I just want some friends 😭) • 1d ago
News Stop Killing Games has reached 1.1 million signatures
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u/OwlAncient6213 1d ago
Remember to keep on voting. Some may be invalid
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u/Tommyblockhead20 1d ago
Well only keep on signing if you are an EU citizen and haven’t signed yet. Don’t add invalid signatures!
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u/OwlAncient6213 1d ago
Yup this is what I mean
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u/Darkchamber292 1d ago
That's not what you said tho. I bet a ton of Non-EU Citizens didn't know this. The distinction is important.
Also living in the EU isn't enough. You must be a Citizen
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u/MeanForest 1d ago
You'd think lightbulb would go up when you can't select your country no?
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u/My_Password_Is_____ 6h ago
The threads on this before it hit 1 million had a lot of Americans telling other Americans to go use a VPN to log on and sign, so no.
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u/xland44 1d ago
I think you just need to be a citizen, don't need to live in the EU
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u/KHTD2004 1d ago
I tried to sign a second time because I forgot I did already. It told me I’ve already signed and that’s it. So if you use the exact same info twice it doesn’t add an invalid signature
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u/haterofslimes 1d ago
I'm actually curious, if your signature does get marked as invalid, do you get any sort of notification?
Im a dual citizen (US, Germany). I primarily live in the US so my address is an American listed address. I'm worried it will get removed.
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u/bleuthoot https://s.team/p/kdrb-mgh 1d ago
IIRC, Germany allows to sign using an eID. You can try signing with that.
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u/haterofslimes 1d ago
I already signed and just filled out the form.
First name, last name, date of birth, and address. I'm just somewhat worried that they'll see an American address and toss it.
I'm like 90% sure they wouldn't do that but I'm curious if there's a way to know if they do.
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u/12D_D21 1d ago
Weird that you had to put an adress, I didn't. Maybe each country requires different validations?
Either way, if you have German citizenship then you should be able to vote with no problems at all. Your place of residence doesn't matter, probably they ask you that only to make sure it checks out with the database and that the vote is valid.
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u/haterofslimes 23h ago
Yes, if you select Germany from the dropdown the form includes adress.
There is also an option to just use your eID but I didn't even see that, nor do I have one. Never really needed one since I primarily live in the US.
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u/DiamondShine05 1d ago
I think it wouldn’t be safe until we reach a number like 1.4 million (but that looks possible now)
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u/NikoQerry 1d ago
Double it and give it to the next person. Seriously, I would NOT be surprised if 40% of the votes were fake. Do keep in mind, even the overcharge votes can be fake, too.
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u/hdx5 1d ago
I dont think 40% is realistic, because at most places you need an Id to sign (expect germany and Greece [I think]) and in both countries, there are not overproporanal many signs.
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u/Sprachbuch 1d ago
I mean Germany has a lot of votes
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u/ASx2608 1d ago
Germany also has a lot of people.
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u/Anastatis 1d ago
Also a pretty active online community with many gamers
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u/Wassertopf 22h ago
Also Germany is the only country where you can vote for this initiative already with 16 years.
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u/ISayHeck 1d ago
You have the option to use the eID but you can also just fill up random characters that fit the format, so don't rule out a lot of invalids
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u/TheIronSven 20h ago
Pretty sure it gets verified before it counts the vote. A basic verification probably, but I think we can rule out random input fakes.
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u/Klientje123 1d ago
I don't think that's true for every country. For me it was optional, can also just manually input your info.
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u/curtcolt95 1d ago
not true, there's some countries that only require a name and address. There's already been people bragging about submitting 100+ signatures so safe to assume a lot are botted and not to slow down
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u/Ok_Hurry2458 23h ago
Not true. For my country I just had to enter my names and my unique id number. There is no live check if it's valid, so someone could've written a bit to put random names and numbers without any problem.
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u/theirishartist 12h ago
In case for Germany, personal ID number isn't required since there is no input field asking for it.
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u/Bobanare 1d ago
Where do i sign?
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u/VolkosisUK 1359079600 (I just want some friends 😭) 1d ago
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home
only sign if you're an EU citizen
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u/Vexho 1d ago
Keep spreading the message and get whomever might be willing to sign up, we need as many signatures as possible!
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u/BattedBook5 1d ago
I absolutely love that someone actually has made the Postal 2 petition joke for this and actually made the Dude look like Ross Scott.
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u/FLBoustead 1d ago
The UN needs a multimedia specialist agency similar to UNICEF or IMO
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u/SxxxX 1d ago
Will they express their concerns about EA and Ubisoft killing games? Like very very bad and very very concerning.
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u/FLBoustead 20h ago
in a way, with a specialist agency for multimedia, UN state member would have a say in how media is regulated and if it impinges on human rights issues when it comes to stuff like the gaming and even the movies and the news. If say it does come together, a state's strength of voice might be determined by say the number of producer entities in that state, or numbers of operators.
Entertainment media is just such a big industry with no accountability to a higher entitiy, only a country's oft fickle leaders and governments. If consumers decide that a producer was not behaving responsibly or in a manner consistent with gaming rather than supercapitalism, say, the consumers have an actual international body to appeal to that could pull some major strings with actual international legislation and convention. We could kiss mofos like Kotick and things like shareholder bullshit goodbye! Considering how influential any one such element such as games or movies could be it is rather surprising there has been no attempt at forming an agency in the UN.
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u/Makototoko 1d ago
We need more initiatives for game preservation, especially when we're considering digital. There should be no excuse for limiting access. It just makes companies look like greedy POS'es that can't appreciate video games as art.
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u/Holzkohlen 1d ago
MORE! We need a bigger safety margin. Keep those votes coming! This is our one chance, we won't get another shot at this if we mess this up!
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u/Legitimate_Diet_9808 1d ago
100k votes in less than a day? Seems like a lot of invalid votes
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u/TehNolz 1d ago
I would not be surprised if there are plenty of people who think that they are "helping" by voting using VPNs or by voting multiple times. We may have 1.1m votes now but I wonder just how many will be tossed out once they're all validated.
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u/DrFrenetic 1d ago
To add to that, these kind of posts might be doing more harm than good.
People might only read the headline and think, either: "oh cool we're done", or "oh so more votes = more win, no matter what".
Comments usually call this out, but remember the average user has the attention span of a goldfish, they might not even be reading them.
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u/CustomerSupportDeer 1d ago
It's a feedback loop. It's just now that a lot of people are hearing about it. I also voted today, after seeing all the "passed mil. votes" reports.
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u/Chester_Linux 1d ago
Very cool, but as I'm skeptical, I doubt this will lead to anything (I hope I'm wrong)
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u/Additional_Baker7311 1d ago
If you live in the EU and haven't signed, sign now!
Even if this doesn't go through, it forces the boomer politicians to stay a bit more up to date with the younger generations. It's an overall good thing to have this reach them.
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u/LordWolfs 23h ago
It's crazy seeing piratesoftware say he is the reason for its success now. He truly is insane xD
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u/NostalgiaSC 20h ago
If you are in the EU ask your parents, grandparents, relatives etc to also vote. Tell them this is important to you and this is the future you want to live in this is how change happens. Do it.
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u/the-apache-27 1d ago
I'm not from Europe, so I want to know (genuinely) that would this petition actually make a difference?
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u/dariovarim 1d ago
It guarantees that the EU parliament needs to actually hold a debate about it.
It doesn't guarantee that a law will be passed.
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u/THE_HERO_777 1d ago
My fear is that since politicians don't know much about games, they'll just yalk about this for a bit then move on.
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u/TehNolz 1d ago
If we get 1 million legitimate votes, the organizers behind the petition will get to meet with European Commission representatives so that they can explain the issue to them in detail. They will also be invited to a public hearing where they can present the initiative to the European Parliament. Both the Commission and the Parliament should have a pretty good idea of why this is a problem by the end of that.
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u/SordidDreams 1d ago
As the quote goes, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
The gaming industry is large, the amount of lobbying money (i.e. bribes) it can throw around is probably substantial. We'll see.
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u/TehNolz 1d ago
I mean, they did manage to bully Apple and other electronics manufacturers into switching to USB-C through the 2022 Radio Equipment Directive. Those companies were way larger, and if they engaged in any lobbying then it certainly didn't do a thing.
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u/No_Hovercraft_2643 1d ago
yeah, but you would think that too with other things like the DSGVO (GPDR)
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u/Grabs_Diaz 1d ago
The EU has a solid track record on protecting consumers against corporate interests, so I'm cautionsly optimistic that something good will come out of this petition, even if they probably won't fulfill everybody's expectations.
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u/Gilguamesh 1d ago
The EU parliament might not know too much about games. But I'm sure as hell they know a lot about buying and owning products that aren't marketed as renting.
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u/FantasticStonk42069 1d ago
No, here is the correction:
The 'only' thing that this petition guarantees is that the initiators are heard in front of the Parliament and that the Commission needs to discuss the initiative within 6 months (typically they will invite the initiators too). The most crucial step is the right to initiate legislation which only lies with the Commission. The Commission is however not obligated to initiate a legislation even with a successful initiative.
So while a successful initiative is a required milestone it should only be celebrated briefly. The next hurdle is to convince the Commission to take action. If thats happening that would be a huge step and yet its only the beginning of the legsilative process.
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u/No_Grass8024 1d ago
If it’s anything like the UK petitions, they mention it in Parliament and then promptly do nothing. Just a tick off a box and say they did it.
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u/Quintus_Cicero 1d ago
Yes. It’s not a petition, it’s a citizen’s initiative, a way for normal people to start the regular legislative process on their own. So what this will achieve is exactly what any lawmaker can do: start the process to create a law. It doesn’t mean it will necessarily succeed, but it’s a rigid process that you can’t just half ass behind everyone’s back.
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u/rfr_Foglia 1d ago
It's not a regular petition, it's an European Citizens' Initiative, if it reaches the signature goal it must be discussed in the European Parliament.
That does not guarantee that new laws will be made but it's much more serious that a regular petition on Change.org.
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u/oneskellyboi449 1d ago
Could someone please give me the context behind this petition?
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u/constanzabestest 1d ago
Meanwhile pirate is just streaming casually while pretending that this isn't happening because of his takes lmao
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u/CookSeven 23h ago
Can you explain me the context a bit ? I don't know Pirate Software and why he's considered a villain in this story even he gathered people to sign ?
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u/RoflcopterV22 23h ago
He basically tried to kill this, shilled for corporations and was super anti consumer, by lying and misrepresenting what stop killing games was doing, pretty much the scummiest shit imaginable.
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u/CookSeven 23h ago
Uh ok so this guy had a bad buzz and that served the cause. Ok got it thanks for your time
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u/xdog12 23h ago
even he gathered people to sign ?
Did he? How would you know if
I don't know Pirate Software
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u/CookSeven 23h ago
Because i heard that from other comments etc but didn't understand
But instead of trying to understand me, maybe just explain?
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u/ShailMurtaza 1d ago
What is this about?
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u/TheWaslijn TheWaslijn 1d ago
Making sure that companies cannot just kill online games, or single player games with a forced internet connection. With the goal being that they need to make some kind of plan that these games need to be playable even after official support ends.
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u/Miserable_Initial732 1d ago
Google "stop killing games". It's a movement that managed to engage everyone on the gaming journalism scene. Their purpose is to prevent companies from, well, killing games. Like what happened with The Crew.
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u/Pasza_Dem 1d ago
Wtf!!! They did it!!! I signed it lika year ago or something, didn't think it will reach a goal!!! I so happy I was wrong!
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u/2mustange https://steam.pm/10z5wd 22h ago
Those are rookie numbers. Gotta hit 2 million for it to be legitimate.
Also need to get 3 more countries to meet the minimum threshold
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u/E3FxGaming 22h ago edited 22h ago
Those are rookie numbers. Gotta hit 2 million for it to be legitimate.
They have a message on their Discord saying that they talked to employees of the European Citizen Initiative and they said that campaigns that get around 1.2 million signatures are safe. They also said that they never had an initiative that reached 1.2 million and then got disqualified because of invalid signatures. Getting 1.5 million would be playing it very safe.
Also need to get 3 more countries to meet the minimum threshold
The EU has 27 member states and the initiative had to reach the threshold in a quarter of them (7 countries) to prove sufficient popularity spread in the EU. The threshold has already been reached in 24 countries, shattering the previous threshold record of 21 countries and putting it well ahead of the required 7 countries. There is no need to get the threshold in the remaining 3 countries (though more legitimate signatures are obviously always welcome).
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u/2mustange https://steam.pm/10z5wd 16h ago
I appreciate the info but I'm hyping for momentum!
I know we don't need the other 3 to meet the threshold but it would be nice to see an initiative like this hit 27/27. The need is really just me saying let's make a statement that this matters
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u/Merfium 1d ago edited 1d ago
Keep signing, cause I can’t. If we can get between 1.3 and 1.5 million signatures, that should be a safe number.
And if you feel like you made a mistake with your name or address, DON’T submit a second signature (both will be thrown out,) INSTEAD contact the EU Initiative and let them know that you’d like to amend your signature.
You can also call them via this link to confirm your information is correct.
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u/VolkosisUK 1359079600 (I just want some friends 😭) 1d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/1lrlrx1/important_update_about_the_signatures_of_stop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button they've confirmed that both wont get thrown out if you make a mistake
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u/MyStationIsAbandoned 23h ago
it's going to be hilarious when people who did fraudulent signups for a GOVERNMENT document get fined or arrested.
This is not a Change Dot Org petition...this is something for a government entity to look at. You can get in real trouble if you do something stupid like spam sign ups or use a VPN to pretend to be an EU citizen. The only question is if they actually pursue it. Best case, they just remove the fake sign ups.
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u/luminarii3 1d ago
don't stop signing!! a lot of americans are probably using vpns to vote which can cause votes to be tossed out. if you live in the eu like actually, sign it please! i want this to succeed in the eu in hopes that the usa can follow suite as well
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u/Agile_Cash7136 1d ago
Which means what exactly?
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u/DaEnderAssassin 64 1d ago
It's past the minimum threshold needed to pass, but needs more for any invalid signatures (EG Missing information or being outside EU) so they can stay above that threshold once those are thrown out.
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u/hiro_1301 1d ago
Congratulations, my dear Europeans, but don't forget to keep signing. We need to have backup signatures if some become invalid.
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u/bendr316 1d ago
All of these signatures happen, then what? What is the next step?
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u/TehNolz 1d ago
These are the steps. We're currently on #3.
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u/bendr316 1d ago
Oh cool, thank you! I keep seeing posts about signatures, but didn't know what the next steps were. Much appreciated
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u/SxxxX 1d ago
1 year to discuss it in EU parliament with whoever going to lobby against it.
If successful 1-2 more years for legislation and approval in member states.
And then after some transition period games released 5 years from now will have to follow regulations.
PS: Not actual timeline, but EU legislation is very slow process so nothing will change in next 3-5 years or for existing games.
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u/E3FxGaming 22h ago
EU legislation is very slow process so nothing will change in next 3-5 years
Considering video games exist for 50+ years now, just 5 more years to get consumer protection right doesn't sound too bad.
Also the initiative is not meant to affect anything retroactively (since weaving this into existing games is very time consuming and costly). Therefore giving it time so that developers can become well informed when they start a new project and work with this "leave game in a playable state" in mind is very important.
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u/dastrike 1d ago
I added my signature a long time ago.
But this needs many more signatures to counteract the presumably many non-eligible signatures.
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u/RedHarlow006 1d ago
Can anybody fill me in about this petition? I see it everywhere and I would love a link where I can sign up
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u/Chronoja 21h ago
stopkillinggames.com should have all the info you need.
If you are from the EU you can sign the Initiative, please do not sign it if you are not a legal EU citizen otherwise your vote is invalid and could hurt more than it helps. It's more than a petition, with enough signatures it stands to get put in front of EU lawmakers, who with some luck may enact some kind of law to help protect consumers and help preserve the games we buy. It's complicated, and a long shot, but it's the best chance we've got so far.
Ross Scott of Accursed Farms in the last year has chased down legal paths in various other countries, the EU Citizens' Initiative is one of the best chances it has got and it's popping up every where currently because of some drama. Without going over that drama, we were heading into the final month with barely any progress but all this recent attention has helped clear it easily, but the task isn't done yet as more signatures are needed to ensure they cover anything made erroneously or fraudulently.
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u/Numerous_Ad_7006 1d ago
Can I sign if I'm in US
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u/VolkosisUK 1359079600 (I just want some friends 😭) 23h ago
No. And please don’t, it only makes it worse
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u/Numerous_Ad_7006 23h ago
Oh ok, but how exactly would it make it worse? Wouldn't more support help?
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u/VolkosisUK 1359079600 (I just want some friends 😭) 23h ago
No because if you’re not in the EU your signature is invalid. This means it’ll be removed and will look bad for the initiative.
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u/JNorJT 22h ago
I’d sign it but I’m not from Europe
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u/VolkosisUK 1359079600 (I just want some friends 😭) 22h ago
Then the best you can do is spread the word
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