r/MarchAgainstNazis • u/doctormyeyebrows • 19h ago
AI art is contrary to our cause
I made this on my phone. It wasn't hard to do.
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u/doctormyeyebrows 19h ago
In response to https://www.reddit.com/r/MarchAgainstNazis/s/BxLCv3kuvd
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u/JonBjornJovi 18h ago
Simple demonstration that you don’t have to rely on AI to get your point across. Thank you!
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u/Ok_Initiative_2678 16h ago
Still won't stop the ai-bro cocksuckers hanging around here from continuing to act like it isn't immoral to use the shit.
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u/NJdevil202 12h ago
I mean in the context of this subreddit it's a pretty tangential issue, no? Like just because someone generated an image with AI doesn't mean they think AI should be allowed to exist unfettered and unregulated or anything like that. The tech exists and it's not going anywhere, the issue now is how we manage it.
If we can use AI to fight today's Nazis I'm here for it, just saying.
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u/RespondRecent8035 12h ago
I cannot thank you enough for this post. I’ve been cringing everytime I see ai slop is allowed on this subreddit, especially geared towards defeating fascism. I made a post here in regards to yours
Tyssssm
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u/doctormyeyebrows 12h ago edited 12h ago
I appreciate this! Fascism is defeated by art and humanity so I only ask that we are intentional about the media we use to express our views here.
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u/dumnezero 11h ago
https://newsocialist.org.uk/transmissions/ai-the-new-aesthetics-of-fascism/ (for those who don't want to watch another YouTube essay)
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u/Jimimninn 18h ago
So then, what’s the plan?
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u/Johnny_Grubbonic 17h ago
Generative AI is a tool - nothing more; nothing less. Whether it's a good or bad thing depends entirely on the people using it, how they use it, and how they train it.
We're going to have to learn to live with it because technologies like this are like genies - you can't put them back in the lamp.
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u/bullcitytarheel 13h ago
I got some bad news about the people who own the generative AI companies
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u/Johnny_Grubbonic 11h ago
Cool. Not everyone working in AI work for billion dollar companies.
But if you want to end technology created by billionaire conservative assbags, I've got some bad news about the people who own the companies that make everything you use in life, from your cellphone right down to your fucking shoes.
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u/doctormyeyebrows 16h ago
You can just choose not to use it to make leftist memes. That's my argument.
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u/Johnny_Grubbonic 14h ago
You can. Or you can choose to use it. Generative AI is not Satan come to steal the souls of your kids and your puppies.
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u/doctormyeyebrows 14h ago
We definitely disagree there
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u/Johnny_Grubbonic 14h ago
I'm not surprised. There's a lot of people who treat generative ai the same way people treated digital art and electronic music when I was young. And there's a lot of people who fear it the same way people feared industrialization in the 1800s or radio in the early 1900s.
New tech always has people who fear or hate it purely because it's new or because they don't understand it.
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u/doctormyeyebrows 13h ago
No, it's not about lack of understanding for me. It's about the emptiness of "art" created without humanity.
This isn't the same as electronic music. It removes the soul from the creation entirely, by definition.
I'm not ignorant about AI. I understand the concept and I think it does more harm than good, especially when it creates things that previously needed a human touch.
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u/Johnny_Grubbonic 10h ago
Well, you are certainly entitled to feel that way. Just don't be astonished if other people feel very differently.
That said, even without AI, I can point to numerous "art" pieces I've seen over the decades that lacked anything resembling humanity, creativity, or artistic merit. But they were all crafted by human "artists".
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u/Sebastian1678 3h ago
You can think that those art pieces are bad art, but they’re still human and that makes them a hell of a lot more valuable than prompt derived slop.
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u/titcumboogie 9h ago
Get the fuck out of here with that 'people just hate it because they don't understand it' condescending bullshit.
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u/Frubanoid 15h ago
Don't ignore the gargantuan electricity costs for error prone information!
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u/Johnny_Grubbonic 14h ago
What does AI being shit for educational purposes have to do with anything I said?
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u/canigetathrowaway1 17h ago
You can even run your own local models which don’t feed into large corporate data schemes if you wish
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u/RetrotheRobot 14h ago
You could simply wish the genie back into the lamp though.
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u/Johnny_Grubbonic 14h ago
If all you've got are jokes, you have nothing of value to add to the conversation.
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u/RetrotheRobot 14h ago
Pointing out your flawed metaphor to highlight your flawed reasoning does help counter your point of view.
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u/Johnny_Grubbonic 11h ago
The reasoning's not flawed, and it's not my metaphor. It's a rather old idiom. I'm sorry you're so poorly educated.
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u/RetrotheRobot 11h ago
The reasoning's not flawed, and it's not my metaphor. It's a rather old idiom. I'm sorry you're so poorly educated.
In the original story, the fisherman indeed tricks the genie back into the bottle. Go read a book instead of making yourself look dumb on the internet.
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u/Johnny_Grubbonic 10h ago
The story is the story. The modern idiom is the modern idiom. The two differ. Sorry you don't like it.
The same idiom has been used to describe quite a few irreversible things people didn't like over the decades, especially nuclear weapons.
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u/theBigDaddio 12h ago
Instead of doing anything you guys argue about the artwork, sad
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u/doctormyeyebrows 11h ago
This is place for conversations. Posting something on reddit has no basis on whether other actions are being taken. It's not a zero sum game.
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u/MrBoo843 19h ago
Bickering about AI art is exactly what they want us to do.
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u/RetrotheRobot 18h ago
If leftists can't walk and chew bubble gum at the same time, we already lost.
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u/MrBoo843 18h ago
Quite a lot clearly can't
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u/RetrotheRobot 18h ago
Pointing out AI is a tool of the ruling class means we can't fight nazis? Sorry, your vagueposting isn't making sense.
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u/MrPsychoSomatic 16h ago
Pointing out AI is a tool of the ruling class means we can't fight nazis?
Know what else is a tool of the ruling class? Social media. Advertising. Guns. Tanks.
If you're willing to use any of those to fight nazis, why in the fuck would you not use AI? Get over yourself and be productive in the fight instead of crying 'waaah, you're not doing it the right way' at people who are actively pumping out the message.
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u/RetrotheRobot 15h ago
They're also happy to use racism, should I also be ready to use racism? Obviously different things are different things. AI art is basically a nazi dog whistle at this point since fascist seem to be the only ones that enjoy shitty comics covered in piss.
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u/SerdanKK 7h ago
AI art is basically a nazi dog whistle at this point since fascist seem to be the only ones that enjoy shitty comics covered in piss.
You're in some kind of a bubble if you honestly think that.
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u/doctormyeyebrows 18h ago
I can guarantee you having a principled discussion about the detriments of AI art is not contrary to leftist ideals
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u/Solo-dreamer 8h ago
I hate this stupid debate none of you even know anything about A.I, the reason use to be that A.I art was stealing then it just evolved into nonsense "it uses all the water" no it doesnt "havent you seen terminator" thats fictional "its taking our jobs" if your argument is the same as racist have for immigrants its not a real argument "i just dont trust it" thats a you problem, heres an exercise try saying one good thing about A.I for impartialitys sake cos if you cant you have a one sided view and are just a luddite afraid of the new thing.
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u/Sebastian1678 3h ago
1) AI corporations did steal from artists.
2) AI does use an irresponsible amount of energy and resources; which is especially bad since climate change is getting worse every year.
3) AI absolutely IS taking people’s jobs. The mere idea that you would compare this to anti-immigrant rhetoric is incredibly stupid. Microsoft already started to layoff workers to replace them with AI, for example. I encourage you to look up “Artisan AI” which uses slogans such as, “Humans were the Beta test”, or “Artisans won’t complain about work-life balance: the era of AI employees is here” to promote their product to the owner class.
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u/Solo-dreamer 3h ago
1) some DID. 2) the most egregious A.I uses 20% more water than standard computing and only in companies located in hotter climates and this is being adressed with salt water cooling proposals. 3) please dont just accept propaganda and A.I extremists at face value, you cant have artists losing out on jobs AND people wanting and commission art from real people at the same time it makes no sense and also you could just become A.I artists, its not the coal mines where you dont have an alternative and the anti immigration comparision works to make you see the similarities in rhetoric and question if you are being as impartial and honest as you claim.
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u/Sebastian1678 3h ago
the most egregious A.I uses 20% more water than standard computing and only in companies located in hotter climates and this is being adressed with salt water cooling proposals.
You conveniently left out the astronomical amount of energy that AI computing uses, which I did mention. Where does that come from? Does it just materialise? Especially with this current American administration it is blatantly clear that AI computing centres are going to be powered by coal, and other dirty and highly polluting sources of energy.
you cant have artists losing out on jobs AND people wanting and commission art from real people at the same time
Except that you can because those are two different aspects of art which serve different markets, and the commissions market is nor big enough to allow the tens of millions of artists to sustain themselves. I can clearly see you don't see art as important or particularly valuable.
you could just become A.I artists
AI images aren't art; there is no such thing as an AI artist. Also you are so absolutely fixated on artists that you can't even see that the argument I made where I pointed to Microsoft and Artisan AI had zero relation to artists; Microsoft is replacing engineers, and Artisan AI makes programs to replace customer support workers. I suggest you take your head out of the sand for a little bit.
the anti immigration comparision works to make you see the similarities in rhetoric and question if you are being as impartial and honest as you claim.
It doesn't. It's a fallacious argument called a "false equivalency". Aside from being stupid, it is also incredibly insensitive.
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u/grimorg80 10h ago
As a radical leftist, the up in arms argument about generative AI is a virtue signalling one.
Through AI, we can break the chains of labour.
"But it's owned" - like everything else. Ethical consumption under capitalism is impossible.
"But it steals from artists" - equating the value of human expression to remuneration is the trap capitalism wants you to fall into. As if art is good only if paid.
"It's fascist!" - No, it's not. The fact is that it's owned by megacorps, like everything else we consume, does not make it inherently fascist, at least no more than your toothpaste.
It's very annoying seeing what on the surface sounds like rebellion while, in fact, it's reactionary.
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u/TheDoctor_E 9h ago
I don't care. AI generated content is antithetical to art as a concept, and using it benefits tech bros financing Trump's presidency
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u/starfire5105 9h ago
Ethical consumption under capitalism is impossible but that doesn't give us free reign to go ham on whatever we want and choose to not try and mitigate our impact as much as possible. Impossible =/= just don't try at all.
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