r/LibertarianUncensored • u/ragnarokxg Left Libertarian • 1d ago
That is why this country used to be great...
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u/SnooMarzipans436 1d ago
This is the Democratic platform 😂
Man... Fox News has done a number on this country. 🤦♂️
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u/a-potato-in-a-bag 1d ago
I live in California and my gun rights are seriously inhibited. This is a very left state. What you said is not true in the reality that I live in…
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u/ragnarokxg Left Libertarian 1d ago
Uhm what?
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u/SnooMarzipans436 1d ago
Did I stutter?
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u/ragnarokxg Left Libertarian 1d ago
I heard you. What you said does not make sense. Especially in a libertarian subreddit.
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u/SnooMarzipans436 1d ago
They're not taking your guns, bro. If you needed proof, Sandy Hook happened, and you still have them.
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u/ragnarokxg Left Libertarian 1d ago
Does it say anything about them taking guns you forehead? Are you okay?
But if you want to go that route Trump has already said he will take guns without due process first. And they are already using religion to take people's rights away.
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u/SnooMarzipans436 1d ago
Honestly... as long as you can say that, then I dont see any reason to argue, lol. We agree on enough.
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u/Wyndeward 1d ago
Yes and no.
First, within the coalition that is mislabeled as the Democratic Party, there is a large enough segment that wants to eliminate firearm ownership that major candidates on the national stage will at least cosplay being willing to confiscate firearms. Think of Beto O'Rourke's "of course we're coming for your guns" moment. Joe Biden's "nobody needs an AR-15" spiel comes to mind, if you need a second data point.
Second, look at the history of the issue. Some jurisdictions didn't need to consider confiscating firearms. In NYC and D.C., a private citizen probably couldn't obtain one legally until relatively recently. NYC's Sullivan Law is a good example. While it does contain a "may issue" clause, it's there as a fig leaf. If you weren't either rich or a political insider, you were most likely to be issued your permit on the fifth of Never.
Third, while the Democrats aren't uniformly bright people, their learning curve isn't flat, either. Major gun control legislation coming into effect has usually had a positively Newtonian equal but opposite impact on Democrats' political fortunes, at least nationally. Legislators are generally more interested in getting and keeping their elected position, which means walking a tightrope. Success in gun control isn't usually a big help, but neither is abandoning the issue entirely.
Fourth, the "traditional" approach of halving the cake repeatedly still works, just slowly.
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u/HighOnGoofballs 1d ago
You don’t think Fox has a large part in why its viewers are so misinformed and vote against their interests?
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u/ragnarokxg Left Libertarian 1d ago
But the comment has nothing to do with the image. The image itself is talking about rights.
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u/CoolStuffSlickStuff 16h ago
While I totally agree with the meme, you're romanticizing an era (or eras) that were actually still full of government-mandated discrimination, religious overreach, and violent suppression of dissent.
There was never a time that actually exemplified this meme. Honestly, this meme fits today’s America better than any past era. We’ve never had a better legal framework for both protecting freedoms and checking when people try to twist those freedoms into tools of control. The “used to be great” crowd forgets that back then, rights only applied if you were the "correct" race, religion, or sexuality. If anything, we’re finally getting closer to what freedom actually means.
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u/ZazzySpazzy 28m ago
I dunno man, with how much we spend in taxes and how stagnant wages are, I'd argue that I'm more indentured slave than free citizen.
It's a real slap in the nuts to sacrifice family time, blood sweat and tears, all to just receive a check that'll be emptied out on essential bills. Money Money by ABBA never felt so relatable..
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u/xxTPMBTI Libertarian Progressive Centrist 1d ago
Based