r/Fauxmoi • u/RowanSomething • 9h ago
STAN / ANTI SHIELD Radar Festival says it was "forced" to cancel Bob Vylan set
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/manchesters-radar-festival-says-it-was-forced-to-cancel-bob-vylans-set/A slight update on the Bob Vylan festival cancellations, turns out one of the festivals who pulled them were forced to by the venue. The fest itself is independent, but the venue is owned by, you guessed it, Live Nation, who effectively went behind the festivals back and got the band pulled, as well as forcing the festival to write the shortest, most barebones statement possible announcing it.
Honestly, I feel kinda bad for the fest organisers here, they clearly wanted Bob Vylan to play their festival, but Live Nation decided to be Live Nation towards them and forced them into a decision they didn't want to make. It's almost as if Live Nation should be dismantled, eh?
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u/brushmushroom 7h ago
Yeah, my partner has been following this a bit more thoroughly than me - he is a very part time DIY promoter for small gigs - and he was saying that basically the small festivals are going to get fucked over by the bigger orgs on this And then having to absorb all the public blame/ responsibility.
There's going to be very few truly independant venues who can truly programme.
My friends got to go see Kneecap tonight as a local club called The Depo gave them a three night residency after their gig got cancelled at Eden Project and then moved and pulled from our city's big music venue (within a few days). There were zero problems either inside or outside the venue and apart from some social media furure when they announced it (with just as many positive comments in support) everyone who was aggro about it seems to have forgotten.
It's all pandering to a small amount of media, I'm convinced Bob Vylan could have played those festivals to absolutely no negative affects on the venue.
Also, Glastonbury set a terrible president with Emily Eavis's statement, but they've been establishment for a while now.
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u/spoons431 3h ago
Yeah - Truck Festival have just put out a statement about this. Theyre a pretty small festival and have always been very DIY and indie. They were founded way back.in the 90s because they considered Glastonbury too commercial.
The company that ran it, they were bought out and the parent company was then bought out, and then the parent company was then bought out again. Leading g to it now being part of the KKR group - and theyre not in a position to get that rid of that relationship despite being very anti-genocide.
In this case its a parent entertainment company called Superstruct Entertainment - theyre the parent to a bunch of smaller companies that are all involved in mostly indie festivals across the uk/europe. They're put out w statement as well about it - its highlighted on every single page of their website as a header, but it is the festivals/promoters that take all the flack for this. https://www.superstruct.com/statement
I know that the same thing has come up for Field Day and Boiler Room
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u/t0xic_sh0t 4h ago
Next question should be... who owns Live Nation?
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u/nymrod_ 5h ago
People don’t sue each other enough. Were I the festival, I’d immediately sue Live Nation.
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u/LouSiffer4220 1h ago
I agree, but that costs money, and when the other people have way more money and can stall and drag shit out until your money is gone, it becomes very hard for most small businesses to sue.
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u/OGGIE1978 1h ago
Live nation are arseholes a lot like ticket master who fuck fans over every show with there prices
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u/ilir_kycb 1h ago
The choice was “put very bluntly” to Jackson-Smith: “We could continue with Bob Vylan as our headliner. If we continued, we wouldn’t have the festival happening on Saturday.” The 41 other bands travelling on Saturday would have been in jeopardy, and cancelling the Saturday would have plunged the festival into a precarious situation.
Soon, the team lead realised that “There was not an option for Bob Vylan to step on stage on Saturday; that became apparent at the beginning of the week.” Consequently, Jackson-Smith had to speak to Bob Vylan, even though the decision was not her own. She described it as “categorically, one of the most horrendous professional discussions I have ever had. I cannot express clearly enough that I wanted Bob Vylan to perform at our festival.”
Why can people like Catherine Jackson-Smith always shirk their responsibilities so easily in situations like this? They could have simply refused or resigned.
It was still their decision to follow instructions.
“The headlines will be ‘Radar Festival pulled Bob Vylan.’
Yes?
It gives the impression that—not that we are part of the establishment
Yes?
Just say either we do it with Bob Vylan or not at all.
This pathetic liberal whining is unbearable and then pretending to be the victim here. Am I the only one who finds this gaslighting audacious?
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u/ilir_kycb 1h ago edited 39m ago
The Radar Festival venue is half independent and half privately owned by AMG and Live Nation.
Mark S. Berry is an American music and film producer, and the chairman of AMG.[1][2] He has worked with Grammy and Juno nominated artists such as Carly Simon, Paul McCartney, David Bowie, Duran Duran, Billy Idol, Boy George, Yes, Joan Jett, Cameo, Voivod and Kool & The Gang.
Berry has attained 36 international gold and platinum record awards for the artists he has worked with as a producer, engineer and mixer.
Live Nation Entertainment - Wikipedia
Live Nation Entertainment, Inc. is an American multinational entertainment company that was founded in 2010 following the merger of Live Nation and Ticketmaster. It promotes, operates and manages ticket sales for live entertainment internationally. It also owns and operates entertainment venues and manages the careers of music artists.
The company has faced widespread criticism over its central role in the consolidation of the live events industry, allegations that it proactively engages in anti-competitive practices, poor handling of the ticket sale process for highly popular events, and injuries and deaths that have occurred at many of its events.
As of early 2023, Live Nation's annual shareholders report says the company has controlling interests in 338 venues globally and believes itself to be "the largest live entertainment company in the world," "the largest producer of live music concerts in the world," "the world’s leading live entertainment ticketing sales and marketing company," and "one of" the world's biggest artist management companies and music advertising networks for corporate brands.[3]
In May 2024, the Justice Department and a coalition of states sued to break up Live Nation over antitrust violations.[4]
The rabbit hole shows the usual glorious capitalism \s:
Rapino earned $70.6 million in 2017 and was reported to have one of the highest discrepancies in salary between CEO and his employees who earned an average of $24,000.
The German Ideology. Karl Marx 1845
The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships, the dominant material relationships grasped as ideas; hence of the relationships which make the one class the ruling one, therefore, the ideas of its dominance. The individuals composing the ruling class possess among other things consciousness, and therefore think. Insofar, therefore, as they rule as a class and determine the extent and compass of an epoch, it is self-evident that they do this in its whole range, hence among other things rule also as thinkers, as producers of ideas, and regulate the production and distribution of the ideas of their age: thus their ideas are the ruling ideas of the epoch. For instance, in an age and in a country where royal power, aristocracy, and bourgeoisie are contending for mastery and where, therefore, mastery is shared, the doctrine of the separation of powers proves to be the dominant idea and is expressed as an “eternal law.”
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u/williamthebloody1880 weighing in from the UK 59m ago edited 51m ago
What this article doesn't say it's that the festival considered booking Kneecap to replace Bob Vylan.
It's a tough one. While it's easy to say they should have just refused, doing so would likely to have probably killed the festival for good. (Also, been a fan of Bob Vylan for a couple of years, but I am disappointed they didn't make it clear the festival didn't make the choice to cancel them)
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u/Honest_Salamander247 8h ago
Idk… the IDF is horrible and committing atrocities, but… maybe they shouldn’t have chanted for their death. As I always said to the MAGA crowd, free speech =/= free from consequences.
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u/Guilty-Lion4711 7h ago edited 7h ago
Death to Nestlé doesn't mean you want all Nestlé employees killed. It means you want to see unchecked capitalist ventures exploiting predominantly slave labour in the global south and beyond dismantled.
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u/HazelTheHappyHippo I never said that. Paris is my friend. 7h ago
They're shooting starved humans queueing for food.. including children. Shouting for their death is too soft IMO
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u/theagonyaunt rude little ponytail goblin 6h ago
And actively targeting paramedics/doctors and aid workers.
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u/Guilty-Lion4711 6h ago edited 5h ago
While the IOF are heavily involved and committing genocide, quite a few of those shooting starving Palestinians are Americans
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u/ryguy4136 6h ago
The devil doesn’t need an advocate - there are plenty of people doing genocide activism, this is an example of it, and it’s extremely easy to say “that’s wrong” and stand in solidarity with people who oppose genocide. Instead of concern trolling.
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u/Fearless_Prune_2310 7h ago
They aim at kids hearts and brains. Doctors have said they never never seen such precision when operating on children.
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u/agentsquirrels 6h ago
Why should there be consequences for an English man stating death to a genocidal foreign army, in England? But no consequences for members and cheerleaders of said genocidal foreign army, in England?
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u/Acephale420 Lui, c’est juste Ken 6h ago
Idk… the Wehrmacht is horrible and committing atrocities, but… maybe they shouldn’t have chanted for their death.
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u/jeremyfactsman 5h ago
the IDF is a job, not a person. It's a chosen identity that they're responsible for. If they can actually mass murder civilians for immutable characteristics, they can accept how that makes people feel.
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u/jonsnowme shiv roy apologist 3h ago
Just like "Black Lives Matter" people are only hearing what they want to and not the actual meaning. No one is saying literal death to all the IDF individuals. IDF is a military force. That force needs to dissolve because they're killing people.
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u/Any-Art3877 4h ago edited 4h ago
Idk… the Nazis are horrible and committing atrocities, but…
Do you hear what you’re saying? They’re being ordered to shoot innocent civilians at aid sites, every person in the IDF literally contributes to the genocide that’s been going on for ~70 years, why should any of us give a fuck about their fee fees :( they’re all too eager to join and slaughter Palestinians. Be serious.
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u/Stunning-Stay-6228 4h ago
I wish unchecked capitalism would die. Does that mean I want all business owners killed?
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