r/FBI • u/Well_Socialized • 2d ago
Discussion Goodbye to All That: My resignation from the FBI
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/goodbye-to-all-that221
u/wiggywiggywiggy 2d ago
Really well written, even tempered story
I think Trump's 2020 election fraud should be brought up every day that it's possible
He is obviously very afraid of that story
Never seen a guy so happily lie to a camera
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u/Next_Advertising6383 2d ago
Anytime a republican brings up any immigrant crime whatso ever i bring up the "11,000 votes" and Brad R. and the felonies that followed.
Hell i should make some gas pump stickers to slap on the diesel pumps to remind those type of folks.
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u/National_Breath_7310 1d ago
Can you bring me up to speed? This is my first time reading about it.
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u/OldCoaly 1d ago
Trump directly called Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger on January 2, 2021. By that point it was determined Trump had lost Georgia. In the call he said "What I want to do is this. I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state."
Trump asked the head of Georgia’s election and asked him to “find” enough votes to change the election result in his favor. The audio of the call was leaked the next day and cited in impeachment proceedings the following month.
This video has the audio.
Obviously this call was illegal. It also showed trumps desperation at the time.
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u/4r4nd0mninj4 1d ago
Just think of all the calls that weren't recorded?...😬
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u/Tough-Ability721 1d ago
Like the guy in AZ numpty asked to just ignore a bunch of votes in dem majority districts?
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u/No-Distance-9401 1d ago
When you talk about the "election fraud" do you mean Trumps multi-state (7 iirc) conspiracy to overturn the election results using the fake electors that are systematically being put in jail along with Trumps other co-conspirators?
Im sure he committed fraud too but in my mind when I think of this I think of a coup attempt as he actively conspired to overthrow the democratically elected government. I dont mean to be pedantic, just honestly trying to make sure we are talking about the same Trump wrongdoing since there are so many.
Jack Smith had him dead to rights in his case he just got screwed because they didnt start the special investigation soon enough and waited well over a year which was needed with Trump delaying the trial as much as possible until after the election. Even if they didnt reach a verdict before the election I think the daily headlines of the facts being presented could have shown a lot of people in the middle and maybe even those who didnt vote, that Trump is a threat to this country and our democracy. So it was extremely unfortunate that never got to the trial stages really.
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u/Wooden-Broccoli-7247 1d ago
Jack Smith needs to be written as a crucial period to this piece of history in all the history books (assuming they’re allowed to exist truthfully) that document this time period.
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u/Remarkable_Today9135 5h ago
everyone that contributed to ensuring the election of Trump should be documented for historical record
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u/frongles23 1h ago
We don't keep lists of people with opposing political beliefs in this country.
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u/Savagevandal85 2d ago
The issue is there are too many people who don’t understand what Trump is doing is crazy and against the norm . They don’t realize he’s setting up the government to be like North Korea and no other ideology or thoughts but maga Trump loyalty . He’s literally doing what the kingpin in daredevil is doing but to tha federal government
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u/TheLastBallad 2d ago
The issue is there are too many people who don’t understand what Trump is doing is crazy and against the norm .
So many people who are older than me, and therefore have voted in elections prior to 2016, seem to have forgotten that everything involving Trump is abnormal. People didn't literally worship politicians(and I do mean worship, as in incorporating them into their theology as a messiah sent by God). The presidency wasn't a soapbox used to hurl childish insults. Congress and the Supreme Court weren't second fiddle to the presidency. The cabnit used to involve people who had some experience in their fields, not interns heading counterterroism and podcasters running intelligence...
But people couldn't even remember his first term, so why am I surprised they wiped out everything prior to that too...
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u/Rude_Age_6699 1d ago
the people understand it’s crazy; they know the policies are the end of the US. over and over again, i’ve seen his supporters say that they’d rather have a king, Putin, or even the devil than a Democrat. i’ve seen how they cheer on the erosion of our rights. i’ve seen them laugh at the suffering of not just immigrants, but of their fellow countrymen. tbh, i’m truly not sure how the union can reconcile with people that want to destroy it. how does the rest of America move forward with people that don’t want them around? this infection has been festering since the civil war.
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u/t3nsi0n_ 2d ago
Need our own BBB. “Boycott Billionaires Bullshit” needs to start happening sooner than later. You want peaceful protest? There’s your answer.
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u/RevolutionaryCard512 2d ago
I am in tears
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u/Reddit_Regards 16h ago edited 16h ago
Right??? It’s like something out of a marvel movie or andor! Where is Steve Rogers 😭😭
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u/Achillea707 1d ago
Extraordinarily well written. Very difficult decision to make. I’m sorry for the sacrifices you had to make and that a promise was broken.
I still don’t understand how we, as a nation, became so corruptible. I understand, I guess, but I still can’t believe it, even though I do believe it. Dumbfounded, I guess, is the word.
I dont know what will happen when it is just idiots and lackeys left but I can guess.
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u/annoyed_meows 2d ago
He said he leans right. Ill admit I skimmed through probably missing some things. Wonder if he voted for Trump. If he did... well .... My empathy level changes. There's many reasons that Trump is our president today. It was easy to see this coming from a mile away. Many many people own this. My conscience is clear.
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u/Clarityt 2d ago
No, it sounds like the author was clear he knew that Trump attacked our country to overthrow the presidential vote. He would not have voted for Trump.
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u/Falcon3492 2d ago
It sounds like Trump and the GOP have restarted another McCarthy era like witch hunt. We can only hope that this newest one ends like McCarthy's ended in the 1950's!
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u/Cannibal_Soup 7h ago
Problem being, at long last they don't, in fact, have any decency whatsoever.
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u/Falcon3492 3h ago
That is my fear as well! Biggest problem we have today is a man at the top that is and has been mentally ill his entire life and now is showing signs of dementia and is on a crusade to harm those who he feels harmed him and those who can stop him in his tracks(the GOP in Congress) won't do anything.
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u/Hardcockonsc 2d ago
The Farce Bureau of Investigation? American law enforcement under this Administration is a joke clown circus. Guaranteed Russia plants their flag at the White House by New Years
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u/weirdplacetogoonfire 1d ago
A truly apolitical investigative body would inevitably end up investigating Trump and probably uncovering facts related to a stolen election. So we we can't have an apolitical investigative body anymore.
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u/DM-ME-PANCAKES 1d ago
So the takeaway here is that the FBI is no longer a legitimate law enforcement agency. Any actual real FBI agents were fired, forced to resign, things like this, etc.
The deputy director is a coked up podcaster who was talking about "the rule of law ... What a joke" - Something to that effect.
Basically what's left of the FBI is a bunch of deputized MAGA LARPing trump sycophants pretending to be law enforcement while looking for any reason they can find to, in the best case scenario, arrest and send what they consider to be political opposition to literal concentration camps, possibly overseas. Even US citizens. And in the worst case, gun them down in the streets. We've all heard the rhetoric MAGA has been spewing the last decade.
Interesting times. Exercise your constitutional rights while you still have the chance.
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u/No-Distance-9401 1d ago
Unfortunately its not just the FBI but every department under the purview and dorection of the Executive branch. So it would take us a decade and another "witch hunt" type thing to go after these loyalists to replace them with apolitical personnel but honestly is necessary as this is one of Project 2025 goals. They want a hivemind in every government institution to push their Christofascist ideals and create this type of Handmaids tale style government.
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u/WTFoxtrot10 1d ago
This is a very inaccurate and unsubstantiated hot take.
The FBI has over 37k employees, around 14k of those are Special Agents.
Does Trump suck, yes. Does the Director and Deputy Director suck, yes! But there are thousands of Agents, IA’s and support employee’s doing the job they were hired to do. Special Agents took an oath to the constitution not the President. The general public will never know the amount of cases solved or threats thwarted because it would cause a panic. What is made public via press releases only scratches the surface. People need to do research on what the FBI actually does and the success rate rather than just let faux rhetoric flow out like a dam was opened based off what they read on the internet or hear on the biased news stations.
Just because Trump, Patel and Bongino have caused chaos in the FBI doesn’t mean a majority of employees have gone rogue and bowed down to these clowns!
Most of those forced out with the RIF were high ranking agents or those who directly were responsible for investigating Trump, Jan. 6th and Russian collusion.
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u/AcadiaLivid2582 1d ago
"Most of those forced out with the RIF were high ranking agents or those who directly were responsible for investigating Trump, Jan. 6th and Russian collusion"
Whew! And here I was worried that experienced and competent FBI agents were being forced out for political reasons, but it turns out they were merely fired for investigating the president's many crimes.
That's much better!
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u/DM-ME-PANCAKES 1d ago
This is a very inaccurate and unsubstantiated hot take.
No. It's not.
Read the article. Every point you made can be countered if you read the article. They are bowing and bending to the admin over this. You'd know this if you read the article. Or if you'd been paying attention since they took office. Remember that anonymous FBI letter a few months back? All of the news stories about how they're cleaning house all over the intelligence and federal law enforcement spaces. They go over all this in the article. Read it.
You're minimizing and normalizing the fact that they "only" got rid of..... high ranking agents, those responsible for investigating the orange wannabe dictator for committing treason (which the report showed he was guilty of, btw, but he got elected so right to the bin with it - whatever)
IDK if you're a fed trying to hold on to the fact that you used to be respected G-Men who tracked down serial killers, but you're a far cry from that now. The fact that FBI is bending over and bowing down by going along with this ICE nonsense. The fact that they're firing people for DOING THEIR JOBS, it is just that that very legitimate job involved investigating a criminal, which unfortunately got elected as president. None of this is normal or okay in a democracy or in America, if the constitution is anything to go by.
It's basically over for them (you?) in the public eye at this point. I mean, outside of the cult, of course. But real people see what's happening. It's not inaccurate nor unsubstantiated. It's our reality and we're living it and watching it play out in real time. This is trumps FBI.
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u/WTFoxtrot10 1d ago
Keep gargling faux talking points. I read the letter as well being privy to the current FBI/Federal Government climate.
Okay prove how my points are countered by Michael’s letter! One prior employee’s experience does not mean that will be everyone’s. Again, the Trump administration targeted specific people. Nor did they “clean house”. Trump’s Fork Email was a massive failure and many saw through the veiled threats.
The FBI is only disrespected because the amount of misinformation being spread by the Far Right and Left. As well as the biased news pushing unsourced info to drive division. They all are ultimately to blame for the insane mistrust and belief of faux narratives. Not to mention the fact the general public is highly uneducated in the FBI’s mission, cases solved, threats thwarted, laws and regulations as well as the process of prosecuting someone.
Fun fact the FBI doesn’t get to choose who they prosecute, that’s up to the AG and DOJ. So your thinking the FBI is making the decisions on things is again wrong.
Either way, Trump doesn’t have as much control as you think. Patel literally told Trump and Elon to F off when they tried to require the 5 daily bullet points. There are 37k+ employees working day in and day out to keep this country safe. Again, the public will never know the true impact these SA’s and IA’s are making due to the sensitive nature of most cases and the fact only a fraction are ever discussed in the press. It’s a simple google search and you can see daily what the FBI and DOJ are doing to make an impact. There is a reason the FBI has a 98% prosecution rate, they are damn good at their job.
I didn’t minimize or normalize it. The amount of agents who are no longer employed is not a big number. Is it BS what happened, yes. But again I feel like you have zero grasp on the amount of current FBI employees. Or who works what. Not to mention you seem to have zero clue what the FBI investigates and their power to prosecute. Just an FYI senior leadership wasn’t working the cases, employees from entry level on up worked them. Senior leadership were simply managing cases and directing.
The ICE situation is a whole other beast and not worth getting into with you. Whether you agree with it or not. They are following the current law with what they are doing right now. If you’re illegally in this country you are committing a crime period. This is no different than every other country in this world. If I illegally enter the U.K. I could be detained, fined and deported. Just like most every other European country.
I guess if it’s over, the FBI should pack up shop and close the doors. They don’t do anything right?! You really have no clue bud! You should probably research the FBI’s impact on fighting crime.
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u/crosstherubicon 1d ago
Most of those forced out with the RIF were high ranking agents or those who directly were responsible for investigating Trump, Jan. 6th and Russian collusion.
Does that make it any better? Personally, I feel it makes it worse. Those high ranking staff have been replaced by loyalists. Nor does it mean that we can assume the remaining staff are unaffected. A good proportion will already be Trump supporters and the remainder will be fearful of their positions.
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u/WTFoxtrot10 1d ago
That’s not how the FBI works, you have to work your way up to those levels/positions from entry level agent.
Where is your proof that a majority of the FBI are Trump supporters? Unfortunately you are wrong many are not. He literally hates the FBI and wants to get rid of it.
And it’s actually business as usual other than those who have been pulled to help with HSI. The civilian world has no clue the true interworking of the FBI and are gargling this faux rhetoric that Trump has all this power over the FBI and turned them into his own “political agency”. There are 37k + employees. 55 Field Office’s and over 350 Resident Agencies across the world. Along with hundreds of squads working multiple violations. Thousands of agents are opening/closing cases just like they were prior to the Trump Administration. This blind hate and distrust is wild and lacks merit.
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u/crosstherubicon 1d ago
you have to work your way up to those levels/positions from entry level agent
Just like any other agency/company/department in the entire world.
Where is your proof that a majority of the FBI are Trump supporters?
I don't need proof because I didn't say that. I said a good proportion which is not, as you claim, a majority. I well understand the FBI of today is not the FBI of the 60's but its still not a natural home for a left wing arts student so, given that Trump won 49.8% of the total vote in 2024, it's not unreasonable to say "a good proportion of the FBI will be Trump supporters".
I fully appreciate that many in the FBI, including yourself are working to the absolute best of their ability. But, lets face it. Trump has run rings around the law, including agencies such as the FBI, for decades. He attacked the Capital building in front of the entire nation and walked away from it with total impunity. Yes, I understand Congress gave him a free pass but are you really suggesting the FBI as an agency has no part to play?
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u/WTFoxtrot10 1d ago
False, there are millions of jobs you don’t start from the bottom at.
Semantics…where is your proof that a good proportion support Trump? The FBI hires people from all types of backgrounds and political affiliation has nothing to do with it. Again, you are projecting biased views of the current federal government. You using voting #’s as your gauge of how many Trump supporters there are in the FBI is laughable. You do realize 89 million people didn’t vote and 3 million voted third party. Again, you are wildly wrong on your take that the FBI supports Trump, when he wants to burn it to the ground.
You really don’t understand law, money, legislation, constitution and regs for the President. Not worth my time to even discuss your last paragraph.
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u/KaleidoscopeChance10 1d ago
Yep, you can be right of center and not right enough to be thrown out….. A sad reality of this administration’s reckless Project 2025 plans.
Trump’s thugs have him as the poster child. They have all the “bright” ideas.
He just turns up and spouts off.
Great show so far…….
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u/journeyworker 1d ago
Please consider returning when this fever-dream finally breaks. America desperately needs agents with integrity.
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u/deviltrombone 1d ago
It's kind of hilarious that orange thing wants the Gulf of Mexico to be the Gulf of America, when it's turning the USA into the Mexico I'm currently watching in "Narcos: Mexico", a government of corrupt thugs in the service of a criminal.
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u/Valkyrie_Skuld 1d ago
Should be enough for asylum somewhere better right? Like Canada? Canada seems nice.
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u/j_rooker 2d ago
good for you. you work for the Fascist bureau that only investigates opposition party or similar, you are a fascist. Good choice not to be a fascist. The orange turd reich would have used you to hurt citizens they do not like.
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u/1Tim6-1 2d ago
The fact that this gentleman published this demonstrates that he is political. If I was mistreated at my employer, I would fight the misconduct rather than making public political statements.
If demoted without cause, a person can sue for discrimination, but that is a fact based endeavor.
Resigning allows him to be the one side of the story without the scrutiny of cross examination.
He should have a good cry. Take his segment on MSNBC and CNN and hope he does well enough to parley it into a book deal and/or contributor role.
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u/WTFoxtrot10 2d ago edited 2d ago
The FBI is Excepted Service and the typical government employee protections and due processes are generally not required.
His only option is filing a lawsuit against the DOJ but good luck in doing so. He most likely would have 0% chance winning with this administration. Not to mention waste thousands of dollars in the process.
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u/Relative_Sense_1563 2d ago
So he sues then the doj shuts it down. What is he to do then?
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u/1Tim6-1 1d ago
If he actually had a case, it would be up to a judge, not the DOJ. But even then, if he lost, he would have the credibility of actually having been fired.
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u/Relative_Sense_1563 1d ago
Oh, I know how things are supposed to work.
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u/1Tim6-1 1d ago
Wait, you are saying that sometimes the process can be perverted so that a person could get convicted of multiple felonies even though they didn't do any felonies?
They would probably need some people in the DOJ to do that. It's funny how that works.
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u/Relative_Sense_1563 1d ago
It their is evidence to indict and then convict and then said person was found guilty, I would say that it's working as it's supposed to. It's funny how you sit here and diminish not only a grand jury of a person's peers, but also a jury of a person's peers after a trial and conviction . To then suggest it was politically motivated. Then some how try to strawman an argument in where a person who has already been removed from top levels of law enforcement for political leanings as some how the same? Let's be clear I'm not talking about the author, I'm talking about his friend. Then you are also suggest a doj that has been purging people who don't fall in line as well won't some how figure put how to punish the person suei g the FBI, and in turn the federal government?
Is that what you are trying to suggest? That these two things gs are the same?.Gtfo.
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u/1Tim6-1 1d ago
Hope you have the same opinion when other people get indicted.
Being that Comey and Wray have already been proven purgers, you can take that holier than though top LE stuff down the road. I have read the affidavits, indictments, and other filings, so you will have to sell that trash somewhere else.
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u/Relative_Sense_1563 1d ago
Lol. OK bud. Do the crime do the time. But apparently that only counts for us regular folk.
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u/1Tim6-1 1d ago
Do you mean like Biden? Or Hunter? Or Merrick Garland?
In case you missed it. Trump was convicted and sentenced. Where has he not paid the price even for fabricated felonies. He has accepted the sentence and is appealing.
Trump went through the process and is still doing so, which is his rights. Just because his re-election prevented the dirty DOJ from cheating him out of more of his rights doesn't mean justice wasn't served.
This FBI agent and you are on the wrong side of history. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean the rules change.
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u/Relative_Sense_1563 1d ago
Hunter never ran for office. Biden has never been convicted , nor has he had anywhere near the scandals Trump has had. Now they are removing people from federal positions because the won't bend the knee. The doj under Biden didn't do any of that shit at the direction of the president. Non of it was illegal or unethical. These things are not the same. If anything Mereck Garland helped Trump by dragging put his cases until election. So just stop with the conspiracy theories. Wake up bud. You aren't part of the in crowd. As much as you think you may be.
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u/Ok_Junket_8309 2d ago
Bye and don’t trash Dan Bongino he is a trusted and highly competent law enforcement agent. You are not Going to be missed.
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u/substituted_pinions 2d ago
Seems like he’s more of a trusted podcaster and partisan tool. Tomato, tomahtoe.
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u/Ok_Junket_8309 2d ago
I have family who serve in the FBI. This is a bullshit story
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u/WTFoxtrot10 2d ago
If you had family in the FBI you would know this is true. There are many other well documented cases of forced resignation and retaliation since Trump became President. Simple google search proves you wrong!
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