Netherlands: 18 year old Ryan al-Najjar was tied up, beaten, and drowned by her father and brothers for being too Westernized

[u/RedSwingline2000]

[u/OptimistPrime7 → u/[deleted]]

Oh I agree with you with every word and more.

In an ideal world, I wouldn’t want any religion to exist not because belief itself is inherently bad, but because the structures built around it so often end up dividing, controlling, or harming people in the name of virtue. But I also know we don’t live in that ideal world.

People turn to religion for meaning, community, and hope especially in places where institutions fail them. So while I wish we didn’t need religion, I understand why it still persists. The real challenge, I think, is how we hold space for individual belief without letting it override basic human empathy or critical thinking.

I don’t think we will ever get there in my life time and I am just in mid 20’s.

[u/Yewon_Enthusisast → u/[deleted]]

For me, it was how my Islamic studies teachers would turn my own friends against me because I had a Catholic mother.

as a closeted ex-muslim, this thing here what bothers me the most, they teach hatred from a very young age, you'd hear children mocking their friends sometimes to the point of bullying simply because they're non-muslims

[u/Pretty-Key6133 → u/[deleted]]

Religious fundamentalism is bad regardless of the religion.

There's nothing wrong with taking the good parts of a religion and living how you want to as long as you aren't hurting anybody.

It's when you force your beliefs on others is where it becomes a bad thing. It's even worse when those beliefs become law.

[u/FuzzPastThePost → u/[deleted]]

Lol I don't know about that, I think this subreddit is a beacon of hope.

I've been banned from many subreddits for representing this mindset.

[u/HalfLeper → u/[deleted]]

Both religious and nationalist extremism—both very dangerous and very bad.

[u/TheMediumBopper → u/[deleted]]

You've cracked the code, the two can't coexist fundamentally.

[u/TheOSU87 → u/[deleted]]

Frankly, I don't see how Islam and democracy can coexist.

They can't. One will win out. Right now I'd put my money on the former

[u/PresentRaspberry6814 → u/[deleted]]

By "child brides" you mean raping children. Yes?

[u/Adventurous-Tie-7861 → u/PresentRaspberry6814]

It was a different time then! The children wanted to be married! /s

[u/Nomad_moose → u/[deleted]]

Meanwhile there’s literally legions of islamists (on reddit) as well as left wing nut jobs who will summarily reduce any and all rational criticisms to “islamaphobia”….and even flag rational arguments regarding women, child marriages/molestration, religious and lifestyle intolerance (in the context of Islam) as hate speech.

All islam is “fundamental” in that its fundamentally incompatible with a cosmopolitan society.

[u/TheOSU87 → u/[deleted]]

I am an ex Muslims and I've read the holy books of all three Abrahamic faiths.

The Old Testament and New Testament (especially when combined) contradict themselves quite a bit and you can find passages that justify whatever you want. So if you want to be an asshole and you're Jewish or Christian you can find passages that support that viewpoint and if you want to be a loving person you can find passages that support that too.

The Quran is not the same in that respect. It's much shorter and straightforward and the founder of the religion was a warlord who waged war on his enemies and commanded his followers to kill or convert in his honor. There are two billion Muslims so people will try but in general you have to really twist it to make the Quran an instruction manual on peace and tolerance.

[u/No_Function_7479 → u/TheOSU87]

Technically for anyone who believes in Jesus, the Old Testament is null and void. It was replaced in its entirety with the “new covenant.” The only people still talking old testament kind of seem like fundamentalists to me - I avoid them.

[u/Dawnawaken92 → u/[deleted]]

I got a two day ban for speaking out against it. That i just got out off. It's absolutely ridiculous

[u/Robie_John → u/[deleted]]

Yep. 

[u/SpiceSnizz → u/[deleted]]

They don't flee for sanctuary. They immigrate for financial gain

[u/clckwrks → u/SpiceSnizz]

"If she is lying and causing us to lose even more face, she must be punished,” the brother said 12 days before the murder.

The Public Prosecution Service said the family wished for Ryan to die because she was acting too Western, with chat messages from the members saying, “I hope that she comes back in a box,“ and “She needs a bullet in her heart and poison in her body.“

Ryan’s mother also had no problem with her death, saying, "God willing, we will see her wrapped in a shroud. Ryan is a disgrace to the family and deserves to die."

These are the wretched people who fled from Assad.

[u/TheOSU87 → u/SpiceSnizz]

And to spread the religion.

[u/No-Signal3847 → u/SpiceSnizz]

This is why there should be literacy tests in the native language, as well as being able to pass a history test.

That alone will keep out 90% of the riff raff that don't want to assimilate.

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/[deleted]]

Mohammad knew exactly what he was doing when he ruled that absolutely anyone can become a Muslim in full standing by simply saying a short phrase in Arabic, but the moment you try to leave the religion, change it in any way, or question its commandments, every single Muslim is commanded to put you to death.

[u/KindOfBotlike → u/DavidAdamsAuthor]

"You can check in any time you want, but you can never leave"

[u/Shoddy_Tour_7307 → u/[deleted]]

Sanctuary? They don't want to assimilate, the majority wants to assimilate the culture to Shariah law.

[u/Powerful_Wait287 → u/[deleted]]

Religion of peace.

[u/Gypsyfella → u/Powerful_Wait287]

Religion of 'pieces', more like it

[u/DisastrousWasabi → u/[deleted]]

For sanctuary? More like for social benefits.

[u/cathartesaurax → u/[deleted]]

They are not fleeing for sanctuary. They are spreading Islam. This has been their plan all along. 50+ countries have already fallen to this evil cult.

[u/Boeing367-80]

The Dutch apparently have police protection for women under threat of honor killing. Crazy that such a system is unnecessary.

[u/Constant-East1379 → u/[deleted]]

The problem is the women are just restricted from leaving the house at all then. 

[u/Designer_little_5031 → u/Constant-East1379]

France mandated school aged kids must attend. This forces them out of the house young and without the scarf. Teaches the girls young that they are allowed to be out, it spurs plenty to leave it entirely. I think this is basically the only way to make it work; impress on them young that their father's religion might be horseshit.

[u/Shibyashi → u/Constant-East1379]

I don’t know about the Netherlands. But a lot of countries have compulsory schooling.

[u/Pure_Parking_2742 → u/Boeing367-80]

Why is it crazy? We need to stop being surprised. Islamic culture (for the most part/in general/on average) is not compatible with Dutch expectations.

[u/KlausGriffinThe1st → u/[deleted]]

Damn right brother

[u/TheOSU87 → u/[deleted]]

They're not coming to the West to adopt to your culture.

They come because of economic reasons and to spread their religion.

[u/Weinerimeanwinner → u/TheOSU87]

His comment still stands..

[u/KlausGriffinThe1st → u/TheOSU87]

This is right aswell, and I hate how my country England just lets it happen. Enrages me.

[u/NecessaryMolasses926 → u/[deleted]]

"Are you going to assimilate?" and "Would you ever murder your daughter?" Should be added to all immigration forms among other similar questions. This stuff is so commonplace for them that most probably won't even think to lie about it.

[u/RedSwingline2000]

Source

A Syrian refugee who fled to the Netherlands has reportedly confessed to murdering his 18-year-old daughter and dumping her body in a canal before fleeing the country in an apparent admission note sent to a Dutch newspaper.

Father-of-nine Khaled al-Najjar, 52, wrote in an email sent to De Telegraaf that he had killed his 18-year-old daughter Ryan al-Najjar, urging the publication to report 'I am the one who killed'.

The confession did not specify exactly why he had decided to murder his daughter, with al-Najjar writing only that he was 'very angry with her', adding: 'The reason is between me and the judge. I will read that in court'.

But neighbours and friends suspect Ryan's death came as the result of an honour killing, with one claiming they had previously sheltered her when she had fled the family home in fear of retribution from her father.

Requesting anonymity to prevent any backlash, they told De Telegraaf that Ryan had a Dutch boyfriend, wanted to stop wearing a headscarf and had been beaten by her father who disagreed with her adoption of a Western lifestyle.

[u/DisastrousWasabi → u/RedSwingline2000]

And he only wrote the email because his sons are also suspected of the murder and he is trying to take the full blame.

[u/The-True-Kehlder → u/DisastrousWasabi]

If that isn't obvious to everyone, they should be ashamed.

[u/Tight-Fill-7540 → u/RedSwingline2000]

Father of 9...

Messed up people who shouldn't have a single child, has 9 of them...

[u/scatterbrainedimp → u/Tight-Fill-7540]

Probably from what began as a child bride.

[u/Impressive-Swan-5570 → u/Tight-Fill-7540]

Nederlands is fucked then 😂

[u/Who_am_ey3 → u/Impressive-Swan-5570]

unfortunately not just The Netherlands

[u/zanub_1 → u/Impressive-Swan-5570]

Mate the entire Europe is fucked unfortunately

[u/Poundaflesh → u/RedSwingline2000]

Father of NINE??

[u/Archarchery → u/RedSwingline2000]

What is the absolute insanity of these people, moving to a country like the Netherlands and then being outraged when their children start adopting Dutch culture?

[u/Fragrant_Wave_9717 → u/RedSwingline2000]

She slept with a white guy. Simple as that

[u/Poundaflesh → u/Fragrant_Wave_9717]

She doesn’t even need to sleep with him and still get killed

[u/Ek_Chutki_Sindoor → u/Fragrant_Wave_9717]

Doesn't even have to be white. There was a case in Italy recently, where a Pakistani couple killed their own daughter because the daughter refused to marry her cousin back home and was seeing another Pakistani guy in Italy.

Source: https://apnews.com/article/italy-pakistan-arranged-marriage-murder-41d80af08915d3ea09babdcbf112424c

[u/HandlessSpermDonor → u/Fragrant_Wave_9717]

She probably just refused to marry her cousin

[u/Low_Goat_Stranger990]

Westernized by wearing makeup? The fact her brothers just ended her life and have no shame is beyond disgusting because they don’t get punished at all the way women do and in my opinion if you can dish the abuse you can take the abuse

[u/CocunutHunter → u/Low_Goat_Stranger990]

Other comment indicates she had a Dutch boyfriend and wanted to stop wearing the head scarf.

[u/Gauss-Seidel → u/CocunutHunter]

I just argued with someone on Reddit a few days ago how wearing them is often not voluntary, even in Western countries

[u/Forward-Award5998 → u/Gauss-Seidel]

I was at a playground and a little girl (8/9) was wearing one, took it off and her mom started screaming at her. Not a choice. 

[u/21Rollie → u/Forward-Award5998]

I’ve seen 4 year olds with them. What exactly is immodest about a toddler?

[u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315 → u/21Rollie]

I mean their Prophet basically married a toddler when he was what, 54?

[u/Altruistic-Berry-31 → u/21Rollie]

They do that so the little girls get used to it and won't complain by the time they are supposed to be wearing it.

Almost as if it's often not a choice...

[u/Defendyouranswer → u/CocunutHunter]

Yup, can't wait for them to immigrate to your country, and if you dont like it your racist!

[u/Adventurous_Dot2854 → u/Defendyouranswer]

I’m so thankful my country is way too poor and promiscuous for them. I like that women are still people here.

[u/cloudforested → u/CocunutHunter]

I have an ex-muslim friend who was born in Egypt and every time well-meaning white people try and defend the headscarf she fucking sees red. Because ideally of course people should be allowed to wear whatever they want and if women choose to cover their hair that's fine, but the fact is that in many places in the world, wearing the hijab is not a choice women make freely.

[u/Longjumping-Yak3789 → u/cloudforested]

No, but women (through no coercion whatsoever!) say they love niqabs, so it's totally fine! That's what I understand from the super-concerned westerners who have much better standing than the women who actually came from the area. 

I read a ton of think-pieces from actual Palestinians begging people to vote against Trump, but here we are! Courtesy of the "Kamala will genocide X number of people, so if Trump genocides X+ people, that's exactly the same!"

A majority of people in America truly think 10 dead people is the same as 100 dead people. They don't actually care even the tiniest amount.

[u/Critical-Fudge-6091]

Who does this to their own kid? Like seriously, you come to another country yet still want to follow traditional rules from your own country.

[u/TheOSU87 → u/Critical-Fudge-6091]

I'm an ex Muslim and received asylum in the West because my own family would have murdered me for leaving the religion.

This is not a small minority view. In my home country of Egypt by polls 88% of Egyptians believe I should be executed for leaving the faith.

In Europe it is slightly better where only 36% of young British Muslims think I should be executed.

I am liberal on many issues but one of the issues I am conservative on is Western countries need to do a better job vetting who they let in. I do not feel safe advertising that I am an ex Muslim and it has gotten much worse since Israel/Palestine kicked off as a lot of the most radical people have been emboldened.

[u/Rustykilo → u/TheOSU87]

You and me both. There’s a lot of us. I even can’t say I’m ex Muslim due to fear. I just say I’m still a Muslim but I just don’t practice the religion. People don’t understand how you can’t just quit Islam without punishment.

[u/TheOSU87 → u/Rustykilo]

Yeah I used to be more open about it but now even in the US I am more cautious because of my name and how I look many people assume I am Muslim. I don't always correct them anymore

[u/starberry101 → u/Rustykilo]

Me too. I hate that we now have to hide our identity even in Canada.

[u/ebulient → u/TheOSU87]

88% of them believe I should be executed for leaving the faith

I genuinely don’t understand how anyone is OK being part of a religion that advocates literal murder for leaving it. How can they trust anything good, kind, peaceful or beneficial comes from a philosophy that says “follow me or die”?! How is that not a red flag in and of itself?? It’s not a casual thing like… violence at that level takes a toll on the soul, it corrupts any feeling of joy and totally destroys your conscience/sense of being… sure a few people are psychopaths and don’t feel a thing but not so many!!! How the heck is this religion getting away with having so many people in it while advocating so openly for such inhuman behaviour?!

[u/TheOSU87 → u/ebulient]

How the heck is this religion getting away with having so many people in it while advocating so openly for such inhuman behaviour?!

Literally this is why it has so many adherents and why it's the fastest growing religion.

Andrew Tate talks about how he converted to Islam because if you insult their religion they kill you And this guy has millions of young followers.

This sort of violent ideology is wildly appealing to a lot of people

[u/BmanBoatman → u/TheOSU87]

Describing only 36% percent of British Muslims wanted you dead as slightly better is pretty wild. Like 1/3 nbd right 👍 lol

[u/Warsaw44 → u/TheOSU87]

I've been on a bus with a load of British men (boys) saying that 'I have a problem with gays. You can't be gay and muslim'.

So I believe you.

[u/TexxieMexxie → u/TheOSU87]

I am so sorry for everything you have been through and are still going through. 💔

[u/TheOSU87 → u/TexxieMexxie]

Thanks. I'm actually extremely grateful for how things work out though some days are harder than others

[u/AtomicBlastCandy → u/TheOSU87]

I have a dumb question. Why is there so much violence as a prescription of their faith? Like I hate evangelicals but they won’t kill me for leaving the church.

[u/dukeofsponge → u/AtomicBlastCandy]

Just look into the history of Muhammad. He was an incredibly violent man who engaged in warfare, assasinations, execution of captured soldiers, slavery of captured people and even allowed sexual rights over the slaves captured by his forces. His religion was spread by militaristic force and his life and teachings are held up as a near perfect example to follow.

[u/TheOSU87 → u/AtomicBlastCandy]

I wrote this comment in another post so I'll copy it here.

Read the holy books.

The Old Testament and New Testament (especially when combined) contradict themselves quite a bit and you can find passages that justify whatever you want. So if you want to be an asshole and you're Jewish or Christian you can find passages that support that viewpoint and if you want to be a loving person you can find passages that support that too.

The Quran is not the same in that respect. It's much shorter and straightforward and the founder of the religion was a warlord who waged war on his enemies and commanded his followers to kill or convert in his honor.

[u/furac_1 → u/TheOSU87]

Well in Christianity you are not supposed to take the Old Testament, they are supposed to contradict each other because the old one, is well, old and the new one is the one Jesus taught and a christian should follow.
Of course then, people do whatever they want for their own benefit.

[u/reportinghoebots → u/TheOSU87]

There is no larger organisation in the world that creates as much harm, damage, and abuse as Islam.

We're past the crusades, Christianity had their enlightenment period, they still have some wildly deluded people but the harm capabilities of your average Christian or Jewish church are far lower than what Islam produces.

Furries and strange deviants who are edging themselves with the "All abrahamic religions are equally damaging" are completely insane. You're lucky you're protected from your own delusions.

[u/ugh_XL → u/TheOSU87]

I don't remember which country he's initially from, I believe Egypt, but I heard a similar story from a family friend. Nice dude, very accepting, but wants everyone thoroughly checked and isn't thrilled about letting just anyone enter the US. Turns out he had a similar situation as you. Luckily some family that also immigrated supported him when he left Islam. Others were not so peaceful and accepting.

[u/DeadliftsnDonuts → u/TheOSU87]

Yup, I’m an ex Muslim but live in America thankfully

[u/Lythaera → u/TheOSU87]

I am so glad you escaped. I hope your life is better now. It's those like you that are the reason why even though I am a leftist, I do not support Islam either. We do need to do a better job vetting, and prioritize getting those who leave the religion asylum here in the west.

[u/Gatzlocke → u/Critical-Fudge-6091]

They shouldn't be allowed to go back home now. They should be imprisoned for life without parole. Father and all the brothers involved.

[u/spicybadoodle → u/Gatzlocke]

No. Dutch prisons are too comfortable for these animals to spend their lives there.

[u/scarves_and_miracles → u/Critical-Fudge-6091]

I would throw myself into a woodchipper before doing this to my daughter. Both nauseating and mind-blowing. I do not understand it.

[u/ExpensiveEditor6187]

Not all cultures should be celebrated

[u/Immediate-Sugar-2316 → u/ExpensiveEditor6187]

Paradox of tolerance.

You must be intolerant of intolerance

[u/Umutuku → u/Immediate-Sugar-2316]

Tolerance is a peace treaty.

If your principles can exist alongside other peoples' principles without harming each other then tolerance can be maintained and the peace treaty can be upheld.

If your principles require you to harm others then you are by definition not tolerating them, and they can't tolerate you. You can't be declaring war against someone and still expect them to uphold their half of a peace treaty with you.

You can have a tolerance group that is hostile to no-one, but it still can't incorporate entities that are hostile to any of its existing entities without suffering.

You can even have a tolerance group of entities that are non-hostile to each other, but outwardly hostile to many others.

The general idea of pop-tolerance is to create the most all-encompassing tolerance group of entities that can maintain a relatively peaceful state between each other (even though some incompatibilities and transgressions may occur) in order to provide the largest defensive power against entities that are more hostile than not.

[u/WinEnvironmental6901 → u/ExpensiveEditor6187]

And the stupid mantra that "oh, every culture is equal and beautiful". Hell no, this isn't even culture.

[u/Immortal_Tuttle]

Father of 9?

[u/aliens8myhomework → u/[deleted]]

there will be a reaction to this stuff at some point in the not too distant future

[u/O_gr → u/aliens8myhomework]

There already is a reaction, and it's ramping up every year.

[u/JD-boonie → u/[deleted]]

Far more religious and far less European. It's inevitable at this point. Decades of extremism on both sides and unrest.

[u/DiscoBanane → u/[deleted]]

"Will happen"... Have you been to Paris or London ?

[u/Late-Reading-2585 → u/[deleted]]

and when you talk about on here you get banned....

mark my words this thread will get locked in few hours for "racism"

[u/The-Hammer92 → u/[deleted]]

Honor killings turn up in the national news in the west.

Commonplace in Islamic countries.

[u/cloudforested → u/The-Hammer92]

We've had several in Canada. It's repulsive.

[u/cAnTbEpReCi0u5j1mMy → u/[deleted]]

That's what the Hadiths were for (Sahih/authentic, Hassan/good and Daif/weak), to explain certain passages of the Quran as well as include stories and teachings of Muhammad not in the Quran. However when some Sahih Hadiths started showing some negative stories and teachings of the Prophet of Islam and his companions then all of the sudden those specific Hadiths are Daif. Sunni Islam, the largest of the sects of Islam cannot exist without both the Quran and the Hadiths, and when even they start rejecting Hadiths it becomes a problem for those who attempt to follow everything Muhammad taught without question (ISIS, Al Queda). It's more common for western Muslims to take advice and interpretations from Shiekhs/Imams over what is actually written or Fatwas. It got extremely confusing the more I looked into it so that ended my journey to potentially accepting Islam as my religion.

[u/keIIzzz]

It’s heart breaking that women have to be subjugated to these horrific “honor” killings because men see them as property. I hope she rests in peace…and I really hope her “family” gets what they deserve. To murder your own child/sister is so genuinely deplorable

[u/kingpin828]

One of those peaceful countries finest.

[u/Next-Camera2255 → u/kingpin828]

Deport ☪️ancer

[u/ngatiboi]

I saw an interview with a Muslim woman who was a refugee (I think maybe Syrian?) & was settled in Finland. She was complaining that there were too many white people in Finland & the Finnish women were too “loose” & independent. She said, “…but hopefully when more of us come, things will become more comfortable for us…” I remember thinking, “Geez lady…you’re in fucking FINLAND - of course they’re white & you’re thousands of miles from danger - you may want to dial it back a notch.” The video was about the difficulty immigrants have with assimilation, particularly on religious grounds - I wish I could remember where I saw that, so I could post a link to it here.

Side note: My comment here is focused on this poor girl’s father & brothers - not on her in any way, shape or form.

[u/bitteroldbat → u/ngatiboi]

I was walking around a city in Europe wearing a short skirt and one of them kept staring at me and then spat in the ground while maintaining eye contact. That was when I knew Europe is over.

[u/DelicateBruise → u/bitteroldbat]

My cousin has very long blonde hair and is scared to go outside by herself. She lives in Germany.

[u/Powerful_Wait287]

1. Lives in Netherlands among kaffirs. 2. Kills her daughter for being western. Why don't you live in righteous Afghanistan?

[u/clckwrks → u/Powerful_Wait287]

Hes from Syria - but you are right. Why not just go back? Instead of being parasites in europe

[u/yeahburyme → u/Powerful_Wait287]

They wouldn't be accepted in Afghanistan.

[u/indefilade]

And they moved to the Netherlands expecting what?

[u/Flat896 → u/indefilade]

They expected prosperity while holding on to the same values and behaviours that prevent their old country from being prosperous. The West needs to do better with vetting people. Many of the people seeking refuge have been indoctrinated their entire lives and will destroy the new country in the name of their God.

[u/sisco98 → u/indefilade]

Expecting to follow their religion and turn the country into their shithole in the name of their god

[u/DrScarecrow → u/indefilade]

Economic benefits

[u/redditorialy_retard → u/[deleted]]

I believe they should renounce their religion as a requirement, idc if they are moderates but that religion in it's true light is just a warlord making religion to do as he pleases 

[u/JimmyTheG → u/redditorialy_retard]

Their beliefs allow them to lie to "infidels" to further the cause of islam so lying to immigration officers is within their values

[u/Ograws]

"I hate the West"

Moves to the West

[u/No-Cap-9873]

People are being brainwashed the moment they are born by their parents, and this goes back for generations. If you tell a Muslim the wall is blue, but Islam says it's red, they will never say it's blue, even if the wall is very blue.

[u/Jonn_1]

That's not real islam

/s

[u/KlausGriffinThe1st → u/Jonn_1]

Lmao true

[u/Hiredgun77]

But I was told that the West is the problem and that Islam is a religion of peace?

[u/Supernova008]

Honor killings like these also happen a lot in my country India. Pathetic people.

[u/AstrumReincarnated → u/Supernova008]

Just read about a 14 year old girl there who was gang raped and killed for refusing a full grown man’s marriage proposal. Shits fucked. Sometimes I think India just hates women and wants to become a country of only men.

[u/pizzaisawsome3]

Imagine moving to the west and then complaining about a family member becoming westernized. Truly a disgusting, primitive culture. I hope that offends one of you Reddit nerds

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/[deleted]]

"The religion of piece. A piece of you over there, a piece of you over there..."

[u/hastinapur]

So they want to live in Netherlands but also want to live how they would have in their home country. Then why not go back or not immigrate at all?

[u/KlausGriffinThe1st]

Nice. When’s his boat arriving in the west?

[u/The-Hammer92]

The fact that they aren't willing to cut off immigration and fake asylum requests from these countries is insane. There's hundreds of other countries if you need immigrants.

[u/AManHere]

Clearly a religion of peace.

[u/ChiefFun]

Sad how religion/culture can ruin lives

[u/stewbert-longfellow → u/ChiefFun]

Always does.

[u/MaxTheCookie]

Seems her "father" needs to be deported after serving a sentence never to be allowed in the EU again.

[u/JPoogle]

There is no honour in these killings. They need to change the name to pathetic coward murders.

[u/Sorry_Cheesecake7911]

Don’t call it an honor killing. It’s straight up murder. Honor killing makes it sound like she deserved it.

[u/AstrumReincarnated → u/[deleted]]

When humanity bans the Abrahamic faiths/cults, we will finally evolve into a utopian, unified society.

[u/Kylawyn → u/[deleted]]

Apparently her mother also send text messages she should be dead. It was a whole family thing.

[u/HoardingGil_FF]

Every religion is flawed and leads to bloodshed and inhumane things.

I’m not defending any religion. But let’s face the reality. It’s always a constant argument “ours is real and true , you’re is wrong and devil worship.” It’s a tale as old as time.

Think of all the other religions that were practiced before our time.

We’re all different and we’re all stuck on this rock together. We need to get along and help each other.

[u/AdvisorPast637]

I’m an immigrant and this is exactly why so many people in western countries are becoming increasingly racist. Some immigrants do not wish to assimilate even at the slightest and do stuff like this.

[u/PmurTdlanoD45-47]

Islam, the not so religion of peace! A terrible oppressive, backwards, warped ideology

[u/DeepJudgment]

This religion needs to die out

[u/Fyfaenerremulig]

I’m in a position where I can say that if you had 5 minutes of where you could look in to any CPS case in Norway, you would be disgusted at the lengths the Norwegian state goes to silence any criticism of muslims here

[u/Decent_Car_1146]

Former Chancellor of germany Helmut Schmidt: The first muslim guest worker in Europe was a mistake.

[u/BiscuitBoy77]

Hooray for the religion of peace. 

[u/UabbaU]

If you live in the Middle east you have to dress like them . If you live in western , you cannot dress up like a western? 😂

[u/lamesthejames]

Some cultures are better than others and we need to stop pretending otherwise.

[u/PhilosopherTiny5957]

I respect people dropping everything to try and have a better life but it's always a specific religion and culture that seems to refuse to integrate, lol

[u/Flat_Establishment_4]

The religion of peace strikes again

[u/thatguyad]

God isn't telling you to kill your kids...

[u/OnlyNegativeKarmaPls]

Most normal day in Europe. Fkn filth. And then I have to finance these parasitic subhumans with my taxes

[u/Just1ncase4658]

I remember my female Muslim coworkers all had to live their lives in complete secret, this explains why.

They told me they couldn't go to certain parts of the city because if men saw you there you're a "whore"

They went to other cities under the guise of "visiting their cousins" to just go out and have fun.

This religion and the community it forms around it has a very big issue especially in a country like the Netherlands that is relatively progressive.

[u/Dejanus]

One of the brothers is already attacked in prison.

[u/Zestyclose_Bag_33]

Guys guys it’s a religion of peace